Recent article by William Lane Craig suggests the historical Adam lived more than 750,000 years ago

[Abaxvahl]

Oh? A good line of questions for you might start with
whether there should be physical evidence of the "flood",
what sort of evidence, whether there is any, on what basis you'd
believe or not believe, what resources you would refer to,
whether you are capable of objectivity and an evidenced "paradigm shift",
Where your thoughts go next if you realize that "flood" is just a story.
what else is just a story, where the valid and true is and what it's based on...

Why would you even ask? Question after question is so obvious!

Those questions are not exactly obvious to me but it is interesting to see, thank you for responding.

 

[Estrid]

No, a difference of paradigms is a complete worldview difference, the fundamental ways of interpreting reality being different between them.

I know what a paradigm is.
Do you?

Are you proposing that the fact that something is a view,
or an interpretation somehow makes it valid?
Is that all it takes?

 

[sfs]

I'm curious if his version of Adam and Eve were special because they were created for the Garden, or they were special because they could comprehend and intuit morality after the apple.

I think he takes the apple and such as mythological. Adam and Eve were special because they had the necessary genetic changes to acquire human-level cognitive capacity and because they were given immaterial souls.

 

[Estrid]

Those questions are not exactly obvious to me but it is interesting to see, thank you for responding.

There's a mind set that discourages questioning.
Here in China, it's called Communism.

 

[Abaxvahl]

I know what a paradigm is.
Do you?

Are you proposing that the fact that something is a view,
or an interpretation somehow makes it valid?
Is that all it takes?

No, paradigms can be true or false.

 

[Estrid]

No, paradigms can be true or false.

Ok...so how would a person check, if, say, the
paradig said the moon really is made of blue
cheese.

And if the moon fails all empirical, theoretical
and common sense tests.

What does that say about the Para that
led to blue- cheese belief?

 

[Abaxvahl]

Ok...so how would a person check, if, say, the
paradig said the moon really is made of blue
cheese.

And if the moon fails all empirical, theoretical
and common sense tests.

What does that say about the Para that
led to blue- cheese belief?

Either their process of drawing conclusions are faulty or the paradigm is false.

 

[Estrid]

Either their process of drawing conclusions are faulty or the paradigm is false.

Let's stick to blue cheese for now.
Do you think that there is a reasonable chance that
all studies of the moon are faulty, and it is actually made
of green cheese because an old story says it is?

 

[Abaxvahl]

Let's stick to blue cheese for now.
Do you think that there is a reasonable chance that
all studies of the moon are faulty, and it is actually made
of green cheese because an old story says it is?

No.

 

[Estrid]

No.

Is it the act of a easonable person
to think that there could have been a world wide
flood that left no evidence whatever?

Assume for the moment that I am correct
about zero evidence.

It is going to be very tough for a reasonable
person to find fault with the research that
shows no flood ever took place.

What does " No flood" do to your paradigm?

Naturally, don't just assume, don't just take my word for it.
Do your own search.

 

[durangodawood]

Why in the world does the Bible need to be accurate in every respect in order for God to be real and Jesus our savior?

Seems a very brittle faith that hangs on all of it being true in a literal sense.

 

[zippy2006]

There is now a short response on First Things, a critique by an Evangelical:

"Doubts about William Lane Craig's Creation Account," by Peter Leithart​

 

[NBB]

Why in the world does the Bible need to be accurate in every respect in order for God to be real and Jesus our savior?

Seems a very brittle faith that hangs on all of it being true in a literal sense.

Jesus took seriously adam and eve, so we learn the gospel from the bible, and believe it or not Jesus is real, so enough for me, to believe in God more than evo.
Also, evolutionists claim God is not needed for evolution to work, big lie, i don't care if i am considered extreme, God has put a soul in us that works with our bodies, so he designed the soul and the body too, if truth is important this is a bigger truth than any truth evo has.

 

[Estrid]

Jesus took seriously adam and eve, so we learn the gospel from the bible, and believe it or not Jesus is real, so enough for me, to believe in God more than evo.
Also, evolutionists claim God is not needed for evolution to work, big lie, i don't care if i am considered extreme, God has put a soul in us that works with our bodies, so he designed the soul and the body too, if truth is important this is a bigger truth than any truth evo has.

Aside from bigger truths, evolution may be this and it may
be that, but it is not a "lie". It is a theory, based on
an enormous body of data.
Nothing you say is enhanced by speaking nonsense.
Nobody mentioned "evolution".
As for the overall theme of your response, you SIMPLY
misunderstood what was said.

The Bible is demonstrably not 100% accurate in every detail.

This can be demonstrated easily ro anyone capable of reason.

And for those Christians who can recognize that, say, an approximate
number is not an accurate number, what difference does it make?

For example-
The fact that a cubit" is not an accurate or even repeatable
measurement hardly means Jesus didn't exist.

That's all.

Maybe you could address that, instead of things never said
nor implied.

 

[NBB]

Aside from bigger truths, evolution may be this and it may
be that, but it is not a "lie". It is a theory, based on
an enormous body of data.
Nothing you say is enhanced by speaking nonsense.
Nobody mentioned "evolution".
As for the overall theme of your response, you SIMPLY
misunderstood what was said.

The Bible is demonstrably not 100% accurate in every detail.

This can be demonstrated easily ro anyone capable of reason.

And for those Christians who can recognize that, say, an approximate
number is not an accurate number, what difference does it make?

For example-
The fact that a cubit" is not an accurate or even repeatable
measurement hardly means Jesus didn't exist.

That's all.

Maybe you could address that, instead of things never said
nor implied.

Its easy to understand what i said really, if God designed our bodies then evolution is false, and he did, we have a soul that works closely with our bodies.

 

[Estrid]

Its easy to understand what i said really, if God designed our bodies then evolution is false, and he did, we have a soul that works closely with our bodies.

Oh it's easy to understand.
I guess your God isn't smart enough to set up the
Universe so it can run without constant tampeting and meddling?

A super smart one could set it up, billions of years ahead of time and
let it go, knowing what it would do.

There's a lot more to reality than you've figured , eze peze, from
one chosen way to interpret a book.

 

[NBB]

Oh it's easy to understand.
I guess your God isn't smart enough to set up the
Universe so it can run without constant tepweskungcand meddling?

A super smart one could set it up, billions of years ahead of time and
let it go, knowing what it would do.

There's a lot more to reality than you've figured , eze peze, from
one chosen way to interpret a book.

You are the one ignoring that you have a soul. This fact alone makes evolution a lie.
And you are ignoring the most important truth in life, that God exists and we must acknowledge him.
I don't have the book only, God can manifest himself to people in an undeniable way.
And people with his spirit can discern spiritual things.

 

[Estrid]

You are the one ignoring that you have a soul. This fact alone makes evolution a lie.
And you are ignoring the most important truth in life, that God exists and we must acknowledge him.
I don't have the book only, God can manifest himself to people in an undeniable way.
And people with his spirit can discern spiritual things.

You are assuming facts not in evidence*;
that I am "overlooking", that there is a soul, and that
you have have special access to arcane
knowledge.
Lotta assuming,

More, assuming spiritual manifestations have anything
to do with whether life has radically changed since the time of
it's mysterious origin.
It's quite rare for educated people, religious or not, to insist on
denying something that is in fact "manifest"; regard some dinosaur
skeletons and see if they are manifest enough to notice.

Millions of Chridtians find no conflict between the discoveries of science
and their faith in God.

I'm really puzzled by people who feel they know better than what
is written, presumably by God, into the very earth we stand on.

* term of art in law. You might wish to look it up.

 

[tas8831]

Thoughts?

Yes - WLC should stick to apologetics and grifting.

 

[public hermit]

Yes - WLC should stick to apologetics and grifting.

I'm familiar, some, with his apologetics. What do mean by grifting?