Reasons why many BACs are spiritually blind

[BCsenior]

But if they are conditions people meet in the flesh to save themselves, the gospel becomes law and salvation is of works.

Of course, these ones do NOT meet the conditions
in the flesh ... they can ONLY be done in the Spirit.

That is one major reason why BACs have been given
the indwelling Holy Spirit ... to lead, guide, help, etc.
in this area of learning to follow, be faithful, be obedient.

 

[Dave L]

Of course, these ones do NOT meet the conditions
in the flesh ... they can ONLY be done in the Spirit.

So people must be born again before they can believe in any true sense?

 

[BCsenior]

So people must be born again before they can believe in any true sense?

Absolutely ... can you imagine a Muslim trying
to understand what is being said in the NT?
Or any non-believer?

 

[Calvin_1985]

Jesus promised to not cast out
those whom the Father gives Him.
But, those whom the Father gives Him
can cast themselves out ...
via their free will, disobedience, etc.

Jesus goes after those that go astray "cast themselves out" until he finds them and brings them back. The reason so many Christians believe you can lose Salvation, is because of two things. Number 1, they have no experience with the OT and have gotten stuck in the wilderness or never even left Egypt. Because of this, they have not grown in any capacity of knowing Holy Spirit therefor are not being led by Him through the scripture and the word is not living inside them. Secondly, they only read the OT in light of being a baby and have no idea what Faith is. They decide of their own I renewed mind what the Bible says. They have not experienced Father because they are too busy denying His Love and Grace and sufficiency of His Ressurecting power and put the Gift of Salvation to be obtained through their own volition.

Lastly, if you want to know if we have Eternal Security, it's found in the Story of Israel. Fathers keeping of His remnant of Israel is the manifest real Historical witness to His eternal security of those in Christ Yeshua. If you deny His Eternal Security, you will fall down a rabbit hole of further denial and never come to walking in the Spirit and being led by Him but led by your own deceits and mind and heart.

 

[BCsenior]

Lastly, if you want to know if we have Eternal Security, it's found in the Story of Israel.

Some of whom were cast into a pit to die.
Some of whom were killed by their enemies.
Some of whom died in the wilderness.
Some of whom died in the Holocaust.
The rest of whom were dispersed to the 4 corners
of the earth for 2000+ years (until 1948).
Aaaaah, but they're all going to be in heaven!

It's called kill 'em, then throw 'em in heaven!
Is that what it's called?

Paul warned BACs to learn from the fate of the
Israelites, and to NOT fall into the same fate
as them! ... Why not, da red U/L is a great fate!

 

[DamianWarS]

Do you believe that some BACs are spiritually blind
in one or more critical areas of the faith?
IF SO, what would you like to add to the OP?

Only God can make the blind see. With me it would be the blind leading the blind.

 

[BCsenior]

Only God can make the blind see.
With me it would be the blind
leading the blind.

Sure, but as with the gospel ...
man presents the Truth and the Spirit convicts
the person unto the realization that it is the Truth.

Of course, if thou prefers it ...
God could give the person a dream, a vision, etc.

 

[DamianWarS]

Sure, but as with the gospel ...
man presents the Truth and the Spirit convicts
the person unto the realization that it is the Truth.

Of course, if thou prefers it ...
God could give the person a dream, a vision, etc.

Abstractly yes, but there are good ways and not so good ways of doing this. The OP only really addresses two concrete "issues" which is OSAS and hyper-grace. The violators then implicitly inherent all the other bad stuff you talked about which basically boils down to they are not actually believers (and I might add, led by Satan). It feels agenda driven and very much strawman territory.

 

[timewerx]

I think not just BAC's but the majority.

If anyone hasn't noticed, warnings given by Christ are also prophecies or "coded" messages. Either Christ actually meant it or the scribes who wrote the Bible meant it as a form of "code" to escape Roman Empire scrutiny since there is potentially huge Roman Empire involvement in this grand deception in the Bible.

Because many, if not most of these have already taken place and most Christians continue to deny and resist the possibility even if it's written in the Bible as clear as day as to the night.

If He warns "do not be deceived by this or by that..." Rest assured, you will be deceived by the same thing He warned against.

The Romans probably can't can't exterminate the movement with the sword but they could accomplish a lot more with skillful art of deception. You will be made to worship its (false) god without even forcing your hand.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Something about the blind trying to lead the blind comes to mind with this thread and its OP.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BCsenior]

If anyone hasn't noticed, warnings given by Christ are also prophecies or "coded" messages.

I believe you will be interested in this ...

1 John 4:2-3
"By this you know the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that confesses that
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
and every spirit that does not confess that
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God."

Everyone knew (and knows) that the man
called Jesus Christ was born into the world.

What these verses are saying to Christians is:
"Jesus Christ (God) has come in the flesh".

This was Christian code-language to bypass
the Roman scrutiny of the day.

 

[timewerx]

I believe you will be interested in this ...

1 John 4:2-3
"By this you know the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that confesses that
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
and every spirit that does not confess that
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God."

Everyone knew (and knows) that the man
called Jesus Christ was born into the world.

What these verses are saying to Christians is:
"Jesus Christ (God) has come in the flesh".

This was Christian code-language to bypass
the Roman scrutiny of the day.

There's actually more this according to personal experience.

I have encountered evil spirits that came in the name of Jesus, confessing they believe in Him. They mentioned His name. But I saw through their deception.

Since the name of Jesus has no effect on them, I casted them out by simply telling them to leave me and they left.

It's worth mentioning to those who ever tried casting evil spirits out - the evil spirits might be feigning it. To what end? that's the million dollar question!

 

[BCsenior]

the evil spirits might be feigning it.
To what end? that's the million dollar question!

Might be feigning what exactly?
That they "believe" in Jesus?
Here's that word "believe" again!
Misunderstanding its' meaning
has sent many to hell, IMO.

 

[devin553344]

Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)

Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)

Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!

Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!

What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?

● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.

● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.

● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).

● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)

Sorry that I'm late to this discussion, but I thought I would point out (if someone hasn't already) but Satan is not god of the earth, Jesus is: Matthew 28:18

Also I don't believe BAC's are blind. By definition they're born of the Almighty God: 2 Corinthians 5:17, 1 Peter 1:22-25. You must be referring to someone else I think? Cheers

 

[timothyu]

Sorry that I'm late to this discussion, but I thought I would point out (if someone hasn't already) but Satan is not god of the earth, Jesus is: Matthew 28:18

Sorry but the Tempter still walks the earth and does it's job. It's biggest accomplishment was getting the Gentile church to accept rule over the kingdoms of man by teaming up with state 1700 years ago., The position was vacant as Jesus had previously rejected the offer while out in the desert.

 

[devin553344]

Sorry but the Tempter still walks the earth and does it's job. It's biggest accomplishment was getting the Gentile church to accept rule over the kingdoms of man by teaming up with state 1700 years ago., The position was vacant as Jesus had rejected the offer.

No doubt about that. Yet God has power over the tempter and can dismiss him at will, even chastise him and lock him in hell and what not.

I think the earth is a pretty good place and God has done a good job with it over the years. Looking back at the witch burning, Christian crusade killings, drilling holes into crazy peoples heads, lack of medicine and technologies. I think we've really been brought to a wonderful world today, that we can really enjoy and feel comfort in.

Glass half empty or half full, mine's current half full and the tempter is failing miserably.

 

[DamianWarS]

Something about the blind trying to lead the blind comes to mind with this thread and its OP.

-CryptoLutheran

also specs and planks

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)

Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)

Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!

Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!

What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?

● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.

● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.

● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).

● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)

As far as the OP initial question i believe they are blind because:

1. Not reading the Word with intent

2. Not having the drive to dig in the Word

3. Not fearing the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge

4. Not practicing His presences to develop sensitivity to the Holy Spirit.

5. Chosing not to put the hard work in the divine relationship

6. The Enemy

7. Generational curses

8. Sin

10. Past abuse and neglect

11. SRA

12. mental illness...physical. spiritual or both

Etc

 

[Tone]

Jesus promised to not cast out
those whom the Father gives Him.
But, those whom the Father gives Him
can cast themselves out ...
via their free will, disobedience, etc.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Aren't we creatures? Doesn't this say that no creature (including ourselves) can separate us?

 

[timewerx]

Might be feigning what exactly?
That they "believe" in Jesus?
Here's that word "believe" again!
Misunderstanding its' meaning
has sent many to hell, IMO.

They were faking being afraid of the name Jesus in some situations to fake a weakness - so we will let down our guard easily (overconfidence). In my experience, they are able to say His name so clearly and easily for them.

One might be curious why would demons do that. Obviously, to make their "Angel disguise" convincing enough, they should be able to say the name of Jesus without any problems.

I could bet the vast majority of Christians would be deceived if they had similar visions of angels that are demons in disguise. They don't give away feelings of dread. They had confidence, polite, well-mannered, and they smile.... They would appear in how you think angels might look or according to your fantasies... It's how they were able to deceive so many. If one is only depending on the Bible is missing out on a lot. It doesn't address the issue completely.....

The Beloved Disciples note is that all the teachings of Christ, there' not a big enough library in the world to hold all of them.

You won't be able to just test them with one sentence in reality. The full instructions is probably ommitted in the Bible to avoid catching the attention of the Romans. What the Spirit instructed me to do is check their teaching. Ask them questions / trick questions to know if they bring the same message.

There is actually one passage in the Bible to do this check but this check is made against another person... But you can imagine, this could apply to spirits as well. Or again, a code. The person actually represents a spirit and the "house" represented our bodies. Do not let such person into your house - do not let such spirit enter your body.

There's a way more to being a Christian than most are able to... It is often killed by lack of passion or being more passionate in things of this world.