Reasons why many BACs are spiritually blind

[BCsenior]

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IMO, this resolves the conflict amongst all the NT verses
concerning eternal security, i.e. OSAS ...vs… NO OSAS:
True saving belief = enduring faith-trust-obedience
Those who “follow” Jesus “faithfully” are those who love
Him and who are “obedient” to His commandments!
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[_Dave_]

IMO, your post is not clear.
Are you saying that BACs who do NOT "see" the many
dire warnings in the NT about NOT going to heaven
are spiritually blind, and only the most precious
Holy Spirit is able to reveal the Truth to them?

No. Concerning OSAS, I'm saying that there is a difference of opinion among believers based on their style of interpreting the Bible.

It's about the heresy of full preterism that I'm saying they are spiritually blind and need intervention from the Holy Spirit. As to whether they are really BOCs, that's for the Lord to decide. IOW, how much of God's word can one misinterpret, deny and corrupt and actually be a BOC. Only God knows.

 

[BCsenior]

It's about the heresy of full preterism that I'm saying they are spiritually blind and need intervention from the Holy Spirit.

Still confusing. IMO, you are saying ...
full preterism says some BACs are spiritually blind
and hence need the Spirit to "un-blind" them.

 

[_Dave_]

Still confusing. IMO, you are saying ...
full preterism says some BACs are spiritually blind
and hence need the Spirit to "un-blind" them.

What I am saying is that full preterism is completely unbiblical, so an adherence to that must be because of spiritual blindness. Whether they are actually, really saved or not is not up to me, but something only God knows.

I'm curious. Why are you continuing to drag this on?

 

[BCsenior]

What I am saying is that full preterism is completely unbiblical, so an adherence to that must be because of spiritual blindness. Whether they are actually, really saved or not is not up to me, but something only God knows.
I'm curious. Why are you continuing to drag this on?

Just tryin' to figure out what yer sayin', 'tis all.

 

[Der Alte]

If the prodigal doesn't respond to the urge/pull to repent/return, then he's still 'dead' so long as that refusal continues. We can't ourselves guess whether some individual still may relent at some future time, and admit the truth of Christ, and whether someone may relent later who looks so gone to our eyes now.

I agree. In the parable, the father of the wayward son, whom he believed to be dead, did not go into the distant land and drag his son, kicking and screaming, back home as some folks would have us believe that God does to the unrepentant.

 

[Gideons300]

So if another Scripture says nothing can separate you, you should just ignore it? Or do we try and weigh Scripture with Scripture and figure out what it all means? But say there's a tie between two Scriptures who gets to decide which Christian is "spiritually blind" and which one "can see"?
tulc(has heard a lot of Christians called "spiritually blind" when really they just "see differently")

If we read the verse as written, it seems there are a lot of things that cannot separate us from the love of God. It would seem to be able to be understood as you have, that nothing can separate us, except for one thing. One conspicuous thing is not mentioned..... us. We can separate us from Him. A huge portion of the epistles is instruction as to live out the gospel, how to abide, how to bring forth much fruit, with warnings sprinkled throughout that we can indeed put our salvation in jeaopardy by neglecting so great salvation.

Satan has turned the grace of God into an excuse for sin remaining in our lives, when the truth tells us that real grace will do the opposite, teach us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and to live soberly, righteously and justly. Holiness is seen not as an object of beauty to be desired, but as a restrictive, harsh, demanding life that gives no return on investment. Boy, how wrong can we be. How absolutely blind.

And what prevents us from seeing this? We are both as a whole and as individuals, sound asleep, lulled there by in incomplete gospel, one that can forgive but is powerless "to cause us to obey", to transform us from carnal to truly spiritual so that others would be drawn to the light of Christ within us.

Our blindness is curable The healing ointment? Admission of our great need and a true hatred of our carnal old nature that refuses to bow the knee to the Lordship of Christ. We can either apply it ourselves or have it applied for us.... which is personally not recommended. LOL. I know whereof I speak.

God is not going to leave us in such a pitiable condition, I assure you. He is even now awawening His children, here and there, one here, one there, then two ....then MANY. His beide is being awakened for her wedding and it is soon. Prepare to be amazed, you who love the Lord in sincerity.

blessings,

Gideon

 

[Blade]

Sorry.. thanks for posting all that...but again .. your ADDING to the word of God.

PART of what you say is true.. yet you ADD how you personally FEEL about GRACE, SALVATION.. "many pastors are deceived". Please share how you know this. There are over what 380 thousand Churches in America.. in love.. how in the WORLD can you know MOST are? You dont know them.. never talked to them never watched them. Were talking TRUTH right?

False doctrine? None of the "above" you talked about can you prove as false. And this is not about how I personally feel about those two things. Forgive me but your truth what you read in the bible you and I have no right to say "WHAT IT REALLY MEANS". Sorry. Jesus came in the flesh.. born by the virgin Mary. Died on the cross for the worlds sins. Was buried the 3rd day. Is the only way to the Father. Is the gospel.

I see "salvation" really gets hit. Its not your or my gift to give. And just looking out.. we see some are weak in the faith. Meaning.. I can be 57 study 10-30 years yet still be a baby in Christ. So we must walk softly and watch what we say. I cant find anywhere in the word that clearly says "you can lose your salvation" nor "once saved always saved".

The only time these thoughts came up was from the enemy. Well fear worry doubt.. none of which God will ever use. I can sin.. I can sin willingly. But I can not make Christ die again. It was good once or not at all. And what A GOD made... I can't lol in the flesh undo it. Then He does not judge me..nor does He judge my flesh. He sees my heart.

So....if I was asked.. do I believe once saved always or I can lose my salvation? No. Jesus Christ can not lie. He knows me.. the Father knows me. All heaven knows me. I am living forever now. So many people do not know WHY He came..and just what He did.

And.. sorry no offense. I am not going to take some mans word that has the same info of this world I do when it comes to SALVATION. If I have any questions.. I go to Him. As I did when I was young.. I asked about how can you send all these people to hell? I was 14. He came right back with "for God so loved the world. Everyone gets a choice". If I sin.. fall I get up dust off repent keep going. I work out my own salvation.

Back up what you say with the word. Our personal feelings belief what SOME verses say..that can be taken different ways..and when SOME talk about JEWISH people that did things in the past...and hello CONTEXT...always read ABOVE and BELOW...I am out

 

[DamianWarS]

...who gets to decide who's blind?
tulc(is just curious)

"Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit?"

 

[DamianWarS]

If you read a verse which says you can lose
your salvation, and you do not "see" it as such
(for some reason or other, doesn't matter why)...

If someone interprets scripture differently than you wouldn't the "why" be an important question, not just their motives but also their understanding of the text? (especially when you're calling them blind) Sounds like a judgment based on whoever disagrees with you is called blind and this is called a bias (which by the way causes blindness) Why did Jesus say about stuff like this? Something about specs and planks... you'll have to look that one up, it's a good one.

 

[BCsenior]

We are both as a whole and as individuals, sound asleep, lulled there by in incomplete gospel, one that can forgive but is powerless "to cause us to obey", to transform us from carnal to truly spiritual so that others would be drawn to the light of Christ within us.

Many Spirit-filled BACs on the Internet
have been saying for months now that
the church is FAST ASLEEP!

Yes, one reason why God is sending judgments
on America is to wake up the sheep!

 

[BCsenior]

Back up what you say with the word.

Okay, how many threads should I point you to?
How many dire warning NT verses should I quote?
Just how many do you need to see?

Many people HERE are against such verses as these,
but NONE will accept my challenge to actually
confront them one passage at a time!
They just want to ignore and/or reject these verses.

There are 2 sets of eternal security/OSAS NT verses.
It is necessary to RECONCILE the 2 sets of verses
... because we have to believe all of them!

 

[BCsenior]

If someone interprets scripture differently than you wouldn't the
"why" be an important question ...

This is obviously addressed in the OP.

 

[Dave L]

Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)

Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)

Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!

Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!

What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?

● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.

● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.

● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).

● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)

This is nothing more than repackaged salvation by works.

 

[Daniel9v9]

Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)

Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)

Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!

Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!

What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?

● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.

● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.

● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).

● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)

“ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE” - Predestination is plain and simple Biblical. However, in the NT it is only applied for comfort and strengthening of the Lord’s people. If it’s used in any other way, it becomes problematic, but that’s not a reason to abandon, disbelieve or distrust in it; namely, the idea that we can have assurance that God will bring about salvation for those who believe, for this is the essence of the Gospel, and literally the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If by “HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE” you refer to Monergism, I would have to strongly disagree with that assertion. I hold that salvation from beginning to end is entirely from God - it’s a gift and we add nothing - but damnation entirely from man; given his unbelief, rebellion and rejection of God. Christ did not come to give a new law for us to follow, but rather completed the law, died and raised to life for us. In other words, the reason we do good works and uphold the law is not because our salvation depends on it, but because good works are the fruit of faith - the free gift of the Holy Spirit. We don’t begin with faith and finish with law. We are to do good, but salvation is God’s grace from beginning to end.

However, if by the above you imply indifference to God’s Word, lax attitude towards sin, carnal security (trysting in oneself, our work etc. which is a distrust in God and His promises), and basically anything that compromises the Gospel, I absolutely agree.

 

[DamianWarS]

This is obviously addressed in the OP.

This is the problem when you approach an argument with an extreme bias. Everything is obviously stated to you but everyone else is scratching their heads. All I see in the OP is a list of what you have determined to be core parts of faith and your position is non-negotiable, if anyone disagrees you call them blind. I'm not arguing you points but rather your method.

 

[BCsenior]

This is nothing more than repackaged salvation by works.

Don't you understand that being "faithful"
and being "obedient" are NOT good works/deeds?

Jesus said (4 times in John 14) that ...
IF you love Him, you will obey His commandments!

But, you couldn't care less, right?

IMO, you are BIG into making excuses (for your sin?).

 

[BCsenior]

However, if by the above
(all of your threads and posts)
you imply indifference to God’s Word, lax attitude towards sin, carnal security (trysting in oneself, our work etc. which is a distrust in God and His promises), and basically anything that compromises the Gospel, I absolutely agree.

However, you do need to find out, understand, etc.
what the NT word "believe" entails, includes, etc.

 

[Dave L]

Don't you understand that being "faithful"
and being "obedient" are NOT good works/deeds?

Jesus said (4 times in John 14) that ...
IF you love Him, you will obey His commandments!

But, you couldn't care less, right?

IMO, you are BIG into making excuses (for your sin?).

But if they are conditions people meet in the flesh to save themselves, the gospel becomes law and salvation is of works.

 

[BCsenior]

This is the problem when you approach an argument with an extreme bias.

Do you believe that some BACs are spiritually blind
in one or more critical areas of the faith?
IF SO, what would you like to add to the OP?