Reasons why many BACs are spiritually blind

[timothyu]

You think churches desire the government of 1700 years ago? Not the government of today?

Once changed, always changed. Once abandoning the governance of God for the governance of man, and later in order to govern over man, there was and has been no turning back. And to fit in with the OP, the blind have lead the blind ever since. Even regarding scripture we now need to stop seeing it through the eyes of the flesh and return to seeing it through the eyes of the spirit. That means a complete unlearning of what is being taught.

 

[devin553344]

Once changed, always changed. Once abandoning the governance of God for the governance of man, and later in order to govern over man, there was and has been no turning back. And to fit in with the OP, the blind have lead the blind ever since. Even regarding scripture we now need to stop seeing it through the eyes of the flesh and return to seeing it through the eyes of the spirit. That means a complete unlearning of what is being taught.

That was a barrage of ideas, thanks I'll think about that for the rest of my life, probably never understand it

 

[BCsenior]

Please address this: if Jesus says he goes after those that go astray until He finds them, is that not true? How do you overlook that? Explain it.

True, Jesus goes after those BACs who have strayed!
Congratulations.
But, those BACs who have strayed
have free will to NOT come back.
They are NOT robots.
Some prefer their sins to obeying Jesus.
Have I explained it?

 

[BCsenior]

BLOOD BLOOD!!!
Never heard that one before, thought I'd try it out.
Most of my co-workers are looking at me a little strange now...

Never fear, my friend ...
I'm familiar with the EOC ... Bulgarian variety.
Haven't asked, but I presume ...
they don't plead the precious blood of Jesus.

 

[BCsenior]

Do you think the current churches are like the pharisees and Sadducee of the new testament? Enemies of Jesus?

IMO, most of our current churches
have many members who are BACs!

No one in these churches
(who are not Satan's agents)
are enemies of Jesus.
They are simply deceived by Satan,
who has deceived church leadership, etc.

Hey, man, the details are in the OP.
OP means Opening Post or Original Post.

 

[devin553344]

IMO, most of our current churches
have many members who are BACs!

No one in these churches
(who are not Satan's agents)
are enemies of Jesus.
They are simply deceived by Satan,
who has deceived church leadership, etc.

Hey, man, the details are in the OP.
OP means Opening Post or Original Post.

Thanks, I read the OP. I'm just unsure how you're saying that BAC's are evil or deceived? Can you explain to me please? How can Satan deceive someone possessed with the Spirit of the Almighty God? Do you really think it's possible? And if so how is that possible to deceive God? Expand on that please...

 

[timothyu]

That was a barrage of ideas, thanks I'll think about that for the rest of my life, probably never understand it

Welcome. Figure it out and you'll be truly born again lol

 

[BCsenior]

How can Satan deceive someone possessed with the Spirit of the Almighty God? Do you really think it's possible? And if so how is that possible to deceive God?

Man is made up of:
1) body
2) soul (mind, will, emotions)
3) spirit (or spirit-man)

For the BAC, part 3 is possessed by God's Holy Spirit.

Satan can mess with BACs' bodies and souls BIG TIME!

Satan can deceive BACs' souls!

 

[devin553344]

Man is made up of:
1) body
2) soul (mind, will, emotions)
3) spirit (or spirit-man)

For the BAC, part 3 is possessed by God's Holy Spirit.

Satan can mess with BACs' bodies and souls BIG TIME!

Satan can deceive BACs' souls!

God is in us and we in him 1 John 4:13

 

[devin553344]

Welcome. Figure it out and you'll be truly born again lol

Thanks, I feel saved.

 

[parousia70]

Hermeneutic style resides on a line stretching from interpreting everything as purely allegorical to interpreting everything as purely literal

Nobody Interprets everything in Scripture in a purely Literal fashion.
All employ allegory and metaphor to some degree.

 

[timothyu]

Thanks, I feel saved.

Glad to hear it. The governance of God is the only governance we need follow. Make the Kingdom great again.

 

[parousia70]

It's about the heresy of full preterism that I'm saying they are spiritually blind and need intervention from the Holy Spirit. As to whether they are really BOCs, that's for the Lord to decide. IOW, how much of God's word can one misinterpret, deny and corrupt and actually be a BOC. Only God knows.

Well, nowhere in scripture can you find ANYTHING that even remotely teaches that understanding and accepting the "CORRECT" eschatology is a requirement for salvation.

 

[BCsenior]

Well, nowhere in scripture can you find ANYTHING that even remotely teaches that understanding and accepting
the "CORRECT" eschatology is a requirement for salvation.

Can we include Revelation 13 and Revelation 14 in
eschatology? They're a HUGE part of the end-times.

 

[parousia70]

Can we include Revelation 13 and Revelation 14 in
eschatology? They're a HUGE part of the end-times.

Sure we can.
Did you have a point about it you'd like to share?

 

[BCsenior]

Can we include Revelation 13 and Revelation 14 ineschatology? They're a HUGE part of the end-times.
Sure we can.

Taken from a 10-page booklet of mine ...

The believer’s end-time test
for enduring in the faith!

Endure in your faith until your death:
● during the upcoming terrible Christian persecution
● during the great pressure to take the mark of the beast

If you fail one of the above 2 tests, you are a coward
(Revelation 21:8)!

“And they did not love their lives so much that
they were afraid to die.” (Revelation 12:11)

“And the (first) beast was allowed to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. … This means that God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently and remain faithful. … He (the second beast) required everyone -- small and great, rich and poor, free and slave -- to be given
a mark on the right hand or on the forehead. And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark” (Revelation 13:7-17)

“Anyone who worships the beast and his statue or who accepts his mark on the forehead or on the hand must drink the wine of God’s anger.
It has been poured full strength into God’s cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur …” (Revelation 14:9-10)

“Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4)

Taking the mark of the beast is pledging your allegiance to the antichrist, i.e. Satan!

 

[parousia70]

Taken from a 10-page booklet of mine ...

The believer’s end-time test
for enduring in the faith!

Endure in your faith until your death:
● during the upcoming terrible Christian persecution
● during the great pressure to take the mark of the beast

If you fail one of the above 2 tests, you are a coward
(Revelation 21:8)!

“And they did not love their lives so much that
they were afraid to die.” (Revelation 12:11)

“And the (first) beast was allowed to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. … This means that God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently and remain faithful. … He (the second beast) required everyone -- small and great, rich and poor, free and slave -- to be given
a mark on the right hand or on the forehead. And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark” (Revelation 13:7-17)

“Anyone who worships the beast and his statue or who accepts his mark on the forehead or on the hand must drink the wine of God’s anger.
It has been poured full strength into God’s cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur …” (Revelation 14:9-10)

“Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4)

Taking the mark of the beast is pledging your allegiance to the antichrist, i.e. Satan!

So if a Christian from the 1600's had a preterist understanding of this passage, and believed, as many do, that this was fulfilled in the first century as one of the events Divinely ordained to take place "Shortly" after the Book was written because "the time was near", are you implying He was not saved because of that belief?

Is that your point?

 

[BCsenior]

Is that your point?

No, my point is that any BAC who submits to taking
the mark of the beast has taken sides with Satan and
the antichrist, and will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

 

[timewerx]

You are referring to John's instructions in post #72.

I have been taught, and used very successfully,
that demons just cannot stand to hear the 2 words:
JESUS ...and... BLOOD.
So, upon hearing these words (esp. repeatedly),
demons flee!

I could do that just to make sure I did everything...

However, based on my experiences, they could still be acting, faking it.

The only foolproof test I've found that really works is to test the teaching they bring. The whole lot....Just them saying that "Jesus came in the flesh" may not be enough. I now that is said in the Bible....But proven insufficient in actual practice.

St John and Jesus is right about the Spirit of Truth will be our source of knowledge in the majority of cases. The Bible's purpose is only to point us in the right direction. They actually said this in the Bible. Unfortunately, this is the hard way, the road in this path is narrow, and twisty and tricky, a road that even Christians are afraid to take and even avoid..

 

[BCsenior]

The only foolproof test I've found that really works is to test the teaching they bring. The whole lot - Just them saying that "Jesus came in the flesh" may not be enough.

Didn't I already explain that EVERYBODY knows that
Jesus came in the flesh, i.e. was born into the world?
This was simply Christian code-language
to escape the eyes of the Romans!

The verse says/means to all believers that ...
"Jesus Christ (God) came in the flesh."

See if your demons will say: "GOD came in the flesh"!