Really? Trinity?

[TheBarrd]

I have a head angel assigned to me by God, IN a dream she revealed that I could call her Sonja. So I do. my angel friends are working to make me pure and holy and bring me into perfection so that I can be part of the bride of Christ.

I actually accept that.

I also have an angel.

 

[TheBarrd]

I have a head angel assigned to me by God, IN a dream she revealed that I could call her Sonja. So I do. my angel friends are working to make me pure and holy and bring me into perfection so that I can be part of the bride of Christ.

I actually accept that.

I also have an angel.

 

[TheBarrd]

oops....

you didn't say what the "hot potatoes" thing is all about.

 

[Imagican]

Yes, Christ means anointed. He's also before all things, and in him all things hold together. So he's existed though out eternity. Colossians 1:17

Come now. Surely you KNOW better than that?????

Certainly you do NOT believe that Christ was 'before God'????

What many seem to find difficult to comprehend, (because of 'trinity' of course), is the 'before all things'. Since the words were WRITTEN to MAN, isn't it OBVIOUS that the 'all things' being referred to are 'all things pertaining to MANKIND'?

For i find it difficult to believe that ANYONE actually BELIEVES that Christ created God, or HEAVEN, or God's THRONE, or MUSIC, or WORSHIP, or The Holy Spirit, or darkness, or Light?????? All these are "THINGS". So your interpretation MUST be askew.

It becomes OBVIOUS when one actually CONTEMPLATES the words offered that they CANNOT be a literal reference to 'ALL things'. For I have pointed out MANY things that were OBVIOUSLY NOT created by Christ.

So the words MUST have some DIFFERENT meaning than the one you have attempted to attach to them. Since the words CANNOT literally mean 'all things', the 'all things' must be in reference to a 'specific GROUP' of things. Hence, "all things" pertaining to the very entities being ADDRESSED: mankind.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Albion]

Come now. Surely you KNOW better than that?????

Certainly you do NOT believe that Christ was 'before God'????

Christ, BEING GOD, was certainly from all eternity, even if the Bible didn't say so in undeniable terms.

 

[TheBarrd]

Surely you do accept that God existed "before all things"?

And Jesus is God...so there is no contradiction here.

 

[TheBarrd]

See, Magician, the problem is not in the text, but in your understanding.
You have reduced God to a mere human...not understanding that God is not limited by human abilities. God is infinite. He is perfectly capable of manifesting Himself in a flesh and blood body, and resurrecting that body as well.
He can heal diseases, even the dreaded leprosy.
He can walk on water.
He can feed a crowd of thousands with a couple of fish and a loaf of bread.
He can tell the storm to stop, and it will.
He can even forgive your sins...and mine.

These are all things no mere man can do.
And that is why the Jews wanted to stone Him.

 

[Viren]

Come now. Surely you KNOW better than that?????

Certainly you do NOT believe that Christ was 'before God'????

What many seem to find difficult to comprehend, (because of 'trinity' of course), is the 'before all things'. Since the words were WRITTEN to MAN, isn't it OBVIOUS that the 'all things' being referred to are 'all things pertaining to MANKIND'?

For i find it difficult to believe that ANYONE actually BELIEVES that Christ created God, or HEAVEN, or God's THRONE, or MUSIC, or WORSHIP, or The Holy Spirit, or darkness, or Light?????? All these are "THINGS". So your interpretation MUST be askew.

It becomes OBVIOUS when one actually CONTEMPLATES the words offered that they CANNOT be a literal reference to 'ALL things'. For I have pointed out MANY things that were OBVIOUSLY NOT created by Christ.

So the words MUST have some DIFFERENT meaning than the one you have attempted to attach to them. Since the words CANNOT literally mean 'all things', the 'all things' must be in reference to a 'specific GROUP' of things. Hence, "all things" pertaining to the very entities being ADDRESSED: mankind.

Blessings,

MEC

I take the meaning of all things as the material universe. All physical things. God is uncreated, eternal and invisible so he's not a thing. Spirit is uncreated and eternal so that applies to the Holy Spirit as well. The Word was with God in the beginning before anything was created as he was used to create. God said,"let there be light", and there was ligh Genesis 1:2,3

 

[TheBarrd]

It seems so obvious to me that Jesus must be God, that I can't see how everyone doesn't see it.
Long ago, God told us that He was the one and only Saviour, and that there was no other.

Did you know that the Jews kicked God off of the throne long, long ago?

1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

And did you know that they were told that the Lord would "suddenly appear" in His temple, and no one would be able to stand before Him?


Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

This actually happened. Do you know when it happened?

 

[Der Alte]

"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE

His name is called that, not Jesus is the everlasting Father.

When God names someone He means what He says and says what He means. Abraham means father of a multitude.

Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.​

 

[katerinah1947]

I actually accept that.

I also have an angel.

Hi,
Just dropped in to see how you guys were doing against, this Matthew 7:15 Type.
I am pleased you have an angel. However, to accept his angel as an Angel of God, is not proven.
Realize also the depths of his fight in this way. Imagician has the exact same tone and dismissive speech as 2ducklow. The possibility is high, they are one in the same person.
Also this kind of Rhetorical style used by both of them is the exact same style used by Islam. So, until you are certain, work as though everything depends upon you, and pray as though everything depends upon God, who is Trinitarian, as not only mine own eyes did see, but was attested to by a fleece type of test given to me on that. God is Trinitarian, and any angel that directs a person to see that differently, is suspect.
Are all angels, angels of God?
Are all spirits angels?
Can this man see his angel? If so is there a cross above the angels head? Is there?
...Katerina.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
Just dropped in to see how you guys were doing against, this Matthew 7:15 Type.
I am pleased you have an angel. However, to accept his angel as an Angel of God, is not proven.
Realize also the depths of his fight in this way. Imagician has the exact same tone and dismissive speech as 2ducklow. The possibility is high, they are one in the same person.
Also this kind of Rhetorical style used by both of them is the exact same style used by Islam. So, until you are certain, work as though everything depends upon you, and pray as though everything depends upon God, who is Trinitarian, as not only mine own eyes did see, but was attested to by a fleece type of test given to me on that. God is Trinitarian, and any angel that directs a person to see that differently, is suspect.
Are all angels, angels of God?
Are all spirits angels?
Can this man see his angel? If so is there a cross above the angels head? Is there?
...Katerina.

Hi again,
Realize that it is with your heart, your child's heart within you that Scripture has meaning. It is with that. You read Scripture, with your heart of love, which is also your child's heart. Mary Pondered. That is also how God is perceived. It is to wonder with love, the love of and for God in your heart.
Have you experienced that from your opponents yet? Or, have you just seen barred teeth of mental and emotion tearing apart?
Goodbye again for awhile,
LOVE and love,
...Katie., ..... .

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi Everyone,
Realize that The Word and The son of man is God. In John 1:1 that is said, The Word is God, and it is seen with your heart and felt (feelings do have content, they do) with your child's heart, it is clear that God, that is the Word there.
It is clear when seen with the heart of a child. Each of us, has that within us, a child's heart. It is just not used all of the time, and can't and shouldn't be. (sometimes we use our grown up heart, to work. Sometimes we use our parental heart to take care of people. Other times we use our child's heart to know, to love, to enjoy and to have fun.) {{{Yes! Yes! We! Each of us, is at least, in this way , trinitarian!}}}
Also the test of spirits has been done here, and so far only one person refuses to say that Jesus Christ, son of The Living God, The only Begotten son of The Living God, therefore equal to His Father in All Ways that are of God, except choices, Who has decided it is correct not to compete with His Father, That Son, this man refuses to admit came to earth in the flesh. (was put into a human body form, and was born, out of her womb, Mary's womb, after Mary gave her consent to that by saying: Let it be done to me according to thy will, Jesus the son of God, was born of a Woman on this earth.)
He refuses to admit that, instead using a standard liars tool, he rephrases everything, constantly avoiding a simple answer, and always putting in a way for himself not to be caught in every response in his own words, nor will he admit to anyone else's findings of hus errors. He just soldier's on, and on and on.....
It took me eight years or more, for me to catch a man like this, yet I did. I told him once that his lies are actually fairly easy to catch, and those lies make him look horrible to others. Everyone where I worked saw his lies clearly, I just happened to run across a thing he was doing, and with total evidence, confronted him one day. He was skillful. It took Thirty minutes before, he got up and walked off. It took that long, because in each of his answers he added something, and As I addressed each of those somethings one by one, he fled eventually, refusing to answere any more questions. Following him, I presented my evidence to him. He was caught fairly and accurately. Still he refused to acknowledge his actions. Amazing!!!
Years later this man said to me: "Sometimes you have to lie" He is a lost cause to me. Even with all of that, he refused to change. Even with all of that.

Test all spirits. It is in 1John 4:

New International Version
On Denying the Incarnation

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirita of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

God’s Love and Ours

7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19We love because he first loved us. 20Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

Footnotes:
a 6 Or spirit

LOVE and love,
...Katerina., ..... .

I cannot see, nor do I have any proof usually, that an angel is helping me, like in this man's statements. I would be a liar though, if I did not say, Michael interceded for me in earlier discussions with someone here. He has to test his angel. He must, otherwise that angel should not be listened too by anyone including, but especially him, who has so far denied that Jesus, the only begotteon son of God, came down to earth, in the flesh, to die for us, according to the Great Love of His Father for us.
Love consists of this, not that you have loved, it is that you have been loved. He God The Father loved us that way. He God The Father killed his own son on earth, for us, so we could be right with God again. And in so doing, Jesus His son, gave us another definition for love, "I came to do you will". That is how Jesus Loved His Own Father. He did His Father's Will.
So, the definition of love is doing the will, of the one you love. Worship is that also. Worship is love. Please everyone. Please.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., ..... .

 

[Imagican]

Hi,
Just dropped in to see how you guys were doing against, this Matthew 7:15 Type.
I am pleased you have an angel. However, to accept his angel as an Angel of God, is not proven.
Realize also the depths of his fight in this way. Imagician has the exact same tone and dismissive speech as 2ducklow. The possibility is high, they are one in the same person.
Also this kind of Rhetorical style used by both of them is the exact same style used by Islam. So, until you are certain, work as though everything depends upon you, and pray as though everything depends upon God, who is Trinitarian, as not only mine own eyes did see, but was attested to by a fleece type of test given to me on that. God is Trinitarian, and any angel that directs a person to see that differently, is suspect.
Are all angels, angels of God?
Are all spirits angels?
Can this man see his angel? If so is there a cross above the angels head? Is there?
...Katerina.

First, let me ASSURE you, I have NO ANGEL of any sort leading me in understanding. While both Duck and I share similar beliefs so far as the recognition of 'trinity' for what it is, we certainly don't share the SAME beliefs in totality.

Islam? Oh my. Of ALL the things I have been accused of over the years, that is a FIRST.

Islam is 'Devil worship' in my opinion: straight out Satanism. Any 'religion', in my opinion, that would encourage it's followers to DESTROY any and everyone that does not accept 'their god' is a religion created and designed by Satan himself.

But I will add that this belief in 'trinity' is what ALLOWS those that follow Islam to label those that profess it to be POLYTHEISTS. For no matter how one attempts to talk around it, 'trinity' teaches THREE gods, NOT ONE. If Jesus IS God, The Holy Spirit IS God, and the Father IS God, that makes THREE Gods. If they are ONE, then they are THREE GODS IN ONE. They are NOT 'persons' by any stretch of the imagination.

And so far as 'personal angels' are concerned, Both Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard professed to have them. Angels that they could literally SEE. And as far as MY opinion is concerned, they were mistaking demons for angels. Very fine line between the two if one is unable to discern the difference.

But we have instruction concerning 'angels' as well. FIRST, we are to place NO 'significance' in angels as compared to God or His Son. We are NOT to 'worship' angels.

Second, we are also informed that MOST that are actually visited by angels will be UNAWARE that they were visited by an angel.

So, NO, I have NO 'personal angel' and so far as MY beliefs are concerned, the Bible offers NO such scenario as 'personal angels'.

God is NOT 'triune' except in the minds and hearts of those that choose to believe in such a 'doctrine'. The evidence is perfectly clear that it took hundreds of years AFTER the death of Christ for MEN to create and insert this 'doctrine' into THEIR form of Christianity. The apostles gave us fair warning NOT to accept ANY doctrine that was NOT delivered BY THEM through Gospel or Epistle.

God is SINGULAR. The ONLY likeness of God IS God. Uncompounded and without 'parts' as 'trinity' teaches. The Father, the Son the Holy Spirit are NOT 'persons'. And God exists without anything to MAKE Him God other than His existence. He is NOT 'three persons' that make up ONE God. He is NOT a 'multi-part God' and scripture plainly proves it. It's only when one chooses to ignore or alter many PARTS of scripture that they can MAKE 'trinity' fit in to the Bible. The Bible itself offers NO such teaching. The TRUE God and an understanding of His existence did NOT 'evolve' through the wisdom of men. God is NOT a 'god of our design'. But THE God of 'trinity' certainly is a 'God designed by MEN'. And men who used threat of torture and murder to FORCE those under their control to accept it.

There ARE angels that serve God. There is also The Son who now sits at His right hand. And there are the very FEW that have been taken up without suffering death. While all of these are ONE with God, God is NOT the totality of these entities. God is the HEAD of these entities. Like ALL 'fathers', God is the HEAD of His household. And there is ONLY ONE. One Father, One Son. And they are NOT 'persons' as defined by 'trinity'. The mere indication that God can be defined with such labels is ludicrous to begin with.

But there have been MANY 'multi-part gods' in history that were defined in such a manner. The Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Persians, The Greeks, and the Romans ALL worshiped 'multi-part gods' AND Goddesses. So it only stands to reason that it would BE the Romans that formed this 'triune' doctrine. Unsatisfied with the mystery of Godhead, they decided to take it upon themselves to create a 'mystery of their own' in 'trinity'.

And all of you that insist that you have FOUND 'trinity' in the Bible, you are deceiving yourself according to the 'doctrine itself'. For those that CREATED the doctrine defined it as well. And according to THEIR definition it can ONLY be revealed through divine revelation. The doctrine STATES that there is NO PLACE in the Bible where words are offered that instruct us of this 'three persons in ONE God'.

So if you SAY that you FOUND 'trinity' in the Bible, the 'trinity' YOU profess is a 'different trinity' than the one created by the RCC. And here is what I would suggest: if you wish to be taken seriously, the FIRST thing you NEED to DO is find out what 'trinity' IS. Not what you have been taught to SAY about it, but what it actually IS. For when someone tries to talk about something they actually know NOTHING ABOUT it certainly lends little credibility to anything they have to offer.

Or, how MANY DIFFERENT 'trinities' do YOU believe EXIST? From my experience, more than one could count. For if you ask ANYONE that professes to believe in it, you will get a DIFFERENT answer from each.

And what sort of 'god' would inspire those that He LOVES to have DIFFERENT beliefs concerning WHO He is? I propose that there can be no OTHER 'true' belief in God other than what HE has offered. That means that the Body is ONE in a unified belief and understanding of GOD. If that unity doesn't exist, then it is obviously not offered by God Himself.

You are obviously a NEW member. For if you had been here long enough to follow comments made by Duck and those made by myself, there could be NO THOUGHT that we are the SAME PERSON. Impossible. Nor could you, in any sense of seriousness, make accusations that I SOUND like a Muslim. The ONLY thing that my beliefs and Islam have in common IS a common belief that 'trinity' creates Polytheism in those that profess to believe in it. There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, and His name is NOT Allah. According to Islam, I am an infidel.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[2ducklow]

First, let me ASSURE you, I have NO ANGEL of any sort leading me in understanding. While both Duck and I share similar beliefs so far as the recognition of 'trinity' for what it is, we certainly don't share the SAME beliefs in totality.

Islam? Oh my. Of ALL the things I have been accused of over the years, that is a FIRST.

Islam is 'Devil worship' in my opinion: straight out Satanism. Any 'religion', in my opinion, that would encourage it's followers to DESTROY any and everyone that does not accept 'their god' is a religion created and designed by Satan himself.

But I will add that this belief in 'trinity' is what ALLOWS those that follow Islam to label those that profess it to be POLYTHEISTS. For no matter how one attempts to talk around it, 'trinity' teaches THREE gods, NOT ONE. If Jesus IS God, The Holy Spirit IS God, and the Father IS God, that makes THREE Gods. If they are ONE, then they are THREE GODS IN ONE. They are NOT 'persons' by any stretch of the imagination.

And so far as 'personal angels' are concerned, Both Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard professed to have them. Angels that they could literally SEE. And as far as MY opinion is concerned, they were mistaking demons for angels. Very fine line between the two if one is unable to discern the difference.

But we have instruction concerning 'angels' as well. FIRST, we are to place NO 'significance' in angels as compared to God or His Son. We are NOT to 'worship' angels.

1 cor.14:12 So, ye, also—since ye are, envious, of spirits, unto the upbuilding of the assembly, seek to be pre-eminent.(Rotherham)

Most people don't know this cause they refuse to accept what the greek actually says in favor of the interpolated version which reads 'spiritual gifts'. Either that or they just don't know what the verse really says.
envious of spirits, obviously angelic and not demonic spirits, cause those are the only two kinds.

I think one of the reasons God opened my eyes to the angelic realm is because I have always from the very beginning never changed it to what everyone else changes it to. Also you have examples in the OT of God opening peoples eyes to see angels.
I see angels overwhelmingly and most powerfully at church while praising and bowing down to God and Jesus. This for me has been a safety net along with the fact that my angel friends only do good and never once bad.

Plus even in modern times, in the Pentecostal realm especially, seeing angels isn't that uncommon. It's just uncommon to see them every service as I do, but then other Pentecostals aren't as free in their praise as I am, they aren't as free in praising God in the dance as I have been for 30 years . That too is a big factor in God opening my eyes to seeing angels, along with other stuff that others refuse to do that the bible says to do. had people done what the word says to do that I do, more would be experiencing what I'm experiencing, I'm not really a special person, except to God of course.

oh, I just figured out what your name means, Imagine I can. right?

Second, we are also informed that MOST that are actually visited by angels will be UNAWARE that they were visited by an angel.

the verse doesn't say that, it says 'some have entertained angels unaware', not 'most that are visited by angels will entertain angels unaware". You're concluding something beyond what the scripture says there." I know a lady in our church who probably had that experience, she saw a very old lady in a dumpster, and gave her 20 dollars. then the lady was gone when she , my friend, turned around. She saw it with her physical eyes, I've never had that experience, when I see angels, I see them in visions, interactive visions sometimes, or frequently they are in dreams I get from God. My fav. dream is the one about Australian angel soldiers and a giant boomer prison submarine. It really had a deep message. (no pun intended just worked out that way).

So, NO, I have NO 'personal angel' and so far as MY beliefs are concerned, the Bible offers NO such scenario as 'personal angels'.

God is NOT 'triune' except in the minds and hearts of those that choose to believe in such a 'doctrine'. The evidence is perfectly clear that it took hundreds of years AFTER the death of Christ for MEN to create and insert this 'doctrine' into THEIR form of Christianity. The apostles gave us fair warning NOT to accept ANY doctrine that was NOT delivered BY THEM through Gospel or Epistle.

God is SINGULAR. The ONLY likeness of God IS God. Uncompounded and without 'parts' as 'trinity' teaches. The Father, the Son the Holy Spirit are NOT 'persons'. And God exists without anything to MAKE Him God other than His existence. He is NOT 'three persons' that make up ONE God. He is NOT a 'multi-part God' and scripture plainly proves it. It's only when one chooses to ignore or alter many PARTS of scripture that they can MAKE 'trinity' fit in to the Bible. The Bible itself offers NO such teaching. The TRUE God and an understanding of His existence did NOT 'evolve' through the wisdom of men. God is NOT a 'god of our design'. But THE God of 'trinity' certainly is a 'God designed by MEN'. And men who used threat of torture and murder to FORCE those under their control to accept it.

There ARE angels that serve God. There is also The Son who now sits at His right hand. And there are the very FEW that have been taken up without suffering death. While all of these are ONE with God, God is NOT the totality of these entities. God is the HEAD of these entities. Like ALL 'fathers', God is the HEAD of His household. And there is ONLY ONE. One Father, One Son. And they are NOT 'persons' as defined by 'trinity'. The mere indication that God can be defined with such labels is ludicrous to begin with.

But there have been MANY 'multi-part gods' in history that were defined in such a manner. The Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Persians, The Greeks, and the Romans ALL worshiped 'multi-part gods' AND Goddesses. So it only stands to reason that it would BE the Romans that formed this 'triune' doctrine. Unsatisfied with the mystery of Godhead, they decided to take it upon themselves to create a 'mystery of their own' in 'trinity'.

And all of you that insist that you have FOUND 'trinity' in the Bible, you are deceiving yourself according to the 'doctrine itself'. For those that CREATED the doctrine defined it as well. And according to THEIR definition it can ONLY be revealed through divine revelation. The doctrine STATES that there is NO PLACE in the Bible where words are offered that instruct us of this 'three persons in ONE God'.

So if you SAY that you FOUND 'trinity' in the Bible, the 'trinity' YOU profess is a 'different trinity' than the one created by the RCC. And here is what I would suggest: if you wish to be taken seriously, the FIRST thing you NEED to DO is find out what 'trinity' IS. Not what you have been taught to SAY about it, but what it actually IS. For when someone tries to talk about something they actually know NOTHING ABOUT it certainly lends little credibility to anything they have to offer.

Or, how MANY DIFFERENT 'trinities' do YOU believe EXIST? From my experience, more than one could count. For if you ask ANYONE that professes to believe in it, you will get a DIFFERENT answer from each.

And what sort of 'god' would inspire those that He LOVES to have DIFFERENT beliefs concerning WHO He is? I propose that there can be no OTHER 'true' belief in God other than what HE has offered. That means that the Body is ONE in a unified belief and understanding of GOD. If that unity doesn't exist, then it is obviously not offered by God Himself.

You are obviously a NEW member. For if you had been here long enough to follow comments made by Duck and those made by myself, there could be NO THOUGHT that we are the SAME PERSON. Impossible. Nor could you, in any sense of seriousness, make accusations that I SOUND like a Muslim. The ONLY thing that my beliefs and Islam have in common IS a common belief that 'trinity' creates Polytheism in those that profess to believe in it. There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, and His name is NOT Allah. According to Islam, I am an infidel.

Blessings,

MEC

And I don't even look like you. Hey but you gotta admit, there's no more convincing proof of any doctrine, than character assassination. It convinces most everyone. whoops got a little cynical there. Ok well maybe not most, but a lot fer sure.

 

[Imagican]

Oh, and let me offer this to YOU personally Katerinah, (everyone else has already heard it over and over again):

I offer witness and testimony that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, was SENT to this Earth BY God. Revealed His Father TO US and died upon a cross for our sins. Rose up again into LIFE and NOW sits at the Right Hand of God. One day, to be placed as the King of those that know and love Him. The Kingdom of God reigns in the hearts and minds of those that LOVE Him and keep His commandments.

So if you had any doubts, rest assured, your insinuated doubts have no merit. I simply do NOT 'accept trinity' as a valid doctrine. I have studied it for years and found that just about EVERYONE that I consider to be 'truly inspired' in the LOVE that you profess to understand, sees 'trinity' in the exact same 'light' as myself. I have NOT come to my understanding BECAUSE of ANY other. I came to that understanding directly from the Bible and, from my belief, direct revelation through the Holy Spirit. But the Spirit RECOGNIZES the Spirit and I have found MANY that I consider to be "DIVINELY INSPIRED" who have come to the EXACTLY same understanding concerning 'trinity'. I previously posted what Thomas Jefferson had to offer concerning his opinion of 'trinity'. And the amazing thing is that he was forced to WORK PRETTY HARD for his information. For information back then was much more difficult to obtain than it is TODAY. I often quote his writings for he was able to put into words understanding that is not easily offered in so few, to the POINT. He plainly understood that 'trinity' was NOT Biblically inspired, but created and perpetuated by MEN. And he also points out the truth that it is IMPOSSIBLE to TRULY believe in ANYTHING that one has absolutely NO understanding of. And the doctrine of 'trinity' itself STATES that it is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to ANY 'created intellect'. That means that it CANNOT be comprehended. After ALL is 'said and done' concerning the doctrine, one is left with the SAME mystery they BEGAN with. But the difference between Godhead and 'trinity' is that Godhead doesn't FORCE one to eliminate understanding due to the RULES or LAWS governing it. And that is ALL that 'trinity' IS: a set of RULES designed by men to govern the beliefs of others. For 'trinity' wasn't GIVEN to the 'Church', it was FORCED upon it by threat of torture or death.

You try to insinuate that because Duck hasn't answered your question that this in some way offers some credence to your accusations. It does not. For I believe that he simply MISSED it. I'll bet if you ask him again, he'll answer and without attempting to mislead ANYONE.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

I wouldn't have known the angel if I hadn't been torn by the dog. As I said, it is a very long story, and much of it is rather unbelievable...I wouldn't believe it myself if it had not happened to me.
However, Kate makes a very good point...not every spirit is an angel.

 

[TheBarrd]

If Jesus Christ is not God, then He is dead, and cannot save anyone.
If He is nothing but a mortal man, then He would have died in any case, and the crucifixion meant nothing.
If He is not God, then our faith is in vain, and we are, as Paul put it, among all men most to be pitied.

 

[katerinah1947]

Oh, and let me offer this to YOU personally Katerinah, (everyone else has already heard it over and over again):

I offer witness and testimony that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, was SENT to this Earth BY God. Revealed His Father TO US and died upon a cross for our sins. Rose up again into LIFE and NOW sits at the Right Hand of God. One day, to be placed as the King of those that know and love Him. The Kingdom of God reigns in the hearts and minds of those that LOVE Him and keep His commandments.

So if you had any doubts, rest assured, your insinuated doubts have no merit. I simply do NOT 'accept trinity' as a valid doctrine. I have studied it for years and found that just about EVERYONE that I consider to be 'truly inspired' in the LOVE that you profess to understand, sees 'trinity' in the exact same 'light' as myself. I have NOT come to my understanding BECAUSE of ANY other. I came to that understanding directly from the Bible and, from my belief, direct revelation through the Holy Spirit. But the Spirit RECOGNIZES the Spirit and I have found MANY that I consider to be "DIVINELY INSPIRED" who have come to the EXACTLY same understanding concerning 'trinity'. I previously posted what Thomas Jefferson had to offer concerning his opinion of 'trinity'. And the amazing thing is that he was forced to WORK PRETTY HARD for his information. For information back then was much more difficult to obtain than it is TODAY. I often quote his writings for he was able to put into words understanding that is not easily offered in so few, to the POINT. He plainly understood that 'trinity' was NOT Biblically inspired, but created and perpetuated by MEN. And he also points out the truth that it is IMPOSSIBLE to TRULY believe in ANYTHING that one has absolutely NO understanding of. And the doctrine of 'trinity' itself STATES that it is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to ANY 'created intellect'. That means that it CANNOT be comprehended. After ALL is 'said and done' concerning the doctrine, one is left with the SAME mystery they BEGAN with. But the difference between Godhead and 'trinity' is that Godhead doesn't FORCE one to eliminate understanding due to the RULES or LAWS governing it. And that is ALL that 'trinity' IS: a set of RULES designed by men to govern the beliefs of others. For 'trinity' wasn't GIVEN to the 'Church', it was FORCED upon it by threat of torture or death.

You try to insinuate that because Duck hasn't answered your question that this in some way offers some credence to your accusations. It does not. For I believe that he simply MISSED it. I'll bet if you ask him again, he'll answer and without attempting to mislead ANYONE.

Blessings,

MEC

Hi,
My ground rules for our engagements are this, if you would like to continue. No insults, and stop trying to assess what my thought processes are anymore. I would not mind if you asssessed my thought processes and were right. I would like that, but you have not shown any accuracy so far, that is good enough.
Is that okay? If it is, then I am happy to be here. Realize that anyone of God, is not normally combative. Do you not know that is what is talked about in Matthew 7:16?
Assuming you do not yet, to be combative rather than listening and understanding, then restating the other persons words, is not the fruit there talked about. It says that people who are of God, are always nice to others. It says women and men who are people of God, are always nice.
When you acted like Duck, in not being that. There is where I saw the similarities. When I have worked with criminals, and other types like that, each of them does what Duck does. Also engaging Islam types, they do that better than anyone.
I thought you and he were the same, not for the points which you brought up, but for the way they are brought up by both of you. Dismissive. And you both fall back on your own literature, while ignoring everyone else's.
Now, lets try this. Do either of you two have a problem with fruits of the Spirit, that are different from your own?
If I tell you of casting out a demon, using something other than what you are familiar with, will you agree with Duck, that I am demonic. He has inferred all of my sources are that. He has. Look at those posts, as I validly explained. Everything I talk about is demon inspired to him.
The Gift of The Essence of God to me, not in a dream, in a wide-awake situation with 60 people all around, me, is called demonic by him. Is that your take? Is that your understanding? Was the Devil presenting himself to me? When I see Jesus, is that really the Devil? And how does he or you know, from a distance? He did not say, his angels said that my sighting was a deception? He just said, essentially that I am using seances and other forms of the occult. I never said that. He did.
You have what you have. Do you have everything, is another way to say what I am saying? How, do you know that I do not have something you don't? How? If he or you think, that I am not Biblical, think again, then I will ask you some questions, and let us see if you can answer them, from your own knowledge.
When David speaking under the inspiration of The Holy Spirit said The Lord said to my Lord sit here..... Do you know who The Lord is there? Do you know who my Lord is there? I do. And that set of gifts to me, is rejected out of hand, and called demonic by him. Is that your opinion also?
It is in the insults, and rough manner and the dismissive actions, that you seemed alike, and both of you seem like the Muslims, and others I have to deal with like that. It is that. It is being a briar, in Matthew 7:16. Male persons of God, are not found with hurtful characteristics. Figs are not found in Briars.
That is how you are both similar. That is what I thought. That is what you both acted like here with these others. That.
LOVE, by the way, is my words for the way God loves. Sometimes He is totally accurate, but the words are not pleasant to hear. Always He loves you for what you are and what you should be. From what I can remember, and what I can mimic, from that gift once totally resident in me, I write that. I feel that, and try to do that.
Will he and you call that demonic? Will you say God cannot show me how He loves? Will you say that is impossible for God to do? I say yes. That is what you will do. I say, you will say there are things that it is impossible to do, because in your 2000 year old book, which I Love and use, God said that back then, this or that could be done. So that must apply today. I must then maybe, be given the ability to LOVE a little, like God loves, by Satan and never God. I expect that, from him. I expect that from you because of your rough manner also.
Please make me wrong. I too have had experiences, and they have been validated. Read Deuteronomy 18:20. Read also about a fleece test. Read also in the letter of James, that indeed in certain circumstances, to check with God, to test some things is allowed, once.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

 

[2ducklow]

If Jesus Christ is not God, then He is dead, and cannot save anyone.

If Jesus Christ were God, then God would be dead because there is only one god (3 doesn't equal 1) and there would have been no one to resurrect the dead God.

If He is nothing but a mortal man, then He would have died in any case, and the crucifixion meant nothing.

Jesus was a mortal man, that's how come he could and did die. The crucifixion would not have been possible if Jesus was immortal.

If He is not God, then our faith is in vain, and we are, as Paul put it, among all men most to be pitied.

you're reading the Trinitarian bible. The real bible says this.
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New International Version 1 cor 15.19
If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Your Trinitarian bible says 'if he is not god, then our faith is in vain.
the word of God says

15:17 And, if Christ hath not been raised, to no purpose, is your faith, yet, are ye in your sins (rotherham)

Your Trinitarian bible changes Christ to God. cause you guys believe the one that the one and only true god anointed is God and isn't god when he is a man, but is god when he isn't . gets confusing to the max going down the Trinitarian road.

we have different bibles. my bible says something different than yours.