Really? Trinity?

[TheBarrd]

Amazing,
If you hadn't written to me Imagican, accusing me of doing everything Duck and you are doing, rather than I, then I would be gone now. Out of your hair, as all you have to offer is your agenda. You engaged. That is an invitation. I engaged. Your friend insulted. I did not. You postured and insulted. I did not. I stated how your ways matched the ways of others.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

Yeah...I got a sweet "goodbye" letter from him too.
Actually, I pity him...oh, I do, I pity him. He truly doesn't realize what a HUGE mistake he is making...how many huge mistakes!!
I tried...you know that I tried.
I'm not perfect either...but God knows I did try.
And may He have mercy on all of us.

 

[katerinah1947]

Yeah...I got a sweet "goodbye" letter from him too.
Actually, I pity him...oh, I do, I pity him. He truly doesn't realize what a HUGE mistake he is making...how many huge mistakes!!
I tried...you know that I tried.
I'm not perfect either...but God knows I did try.
And may He have mercy on all of us.

Dear,
I monitored your conversations with Duck. You did not error. You did not. I watched. You were impressive, you told objective observations. If you did not, then I missed one or two faults. Yet, I don't think I did.
Lets try this. One day the scribes or Phariasees said something like: "Surely you don't mean us when you say that" Jesus relplied factually, "No I don't mean you. You are far worse than these guys." He then went on to tell them exactly what thier errors were. Speaking what is objectively true, in not an error. I monioted you. I did. I saw zero errors. Zero.
I am sure also because of that pattern of yours, already established, that you also made no errors with IMagican.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[TheBarrd]

Dear,
I monitored your conversations with Duck. You did not error. You did not. I watched. You were impressive, you told objective observations. If you did not, then I missed one or two faults. Yet, I don't think I did.
Lets try this. One day the scribes or Phariasees said something like: "Surely you don't mean us when you say that" Jesus relplied factually, "No I don't mean you. You are far worse than these guys." He then went on to tell them exactly what thier errors were. Speaking what is objectively true, in not an error. I monioted you. I did. I saw zero errors. Zero.
I am sure also because of that pattern of yours, already established, that you also made no errors with IMagican.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

I do certainly appreciate your kind and encouraging words, Katerinah. He was beginning to make the smoke come out of my ears...I can admit that now. Someone, somewhere prayed for me that I should not lose my cool with him.

 

[katerinah1947]

I do certainly appreciate your kind and encouraging words, Katerinah. He was beginning to make the smoke come out of my ears...I can admit that now. Someone, somewhere prayed for me that I should not lose my cool with him.

The technique he was using is pure Jehovah's Witness, it is also pure Islam. Remember three major religions try and say the Trinity is not real, and changing the talk to insults is useful to them when it is obvious they are losing.
You being female at birth, were perfect in pointing out his errors. You were. If you get a chance to check. Do check Matthew 7:16, to understand Matthew 7:15, it is true for religion and it is true for people.
That particular insight came from ~The Holy Spirit. He must have known I would do the work, when He he only told me that JW's were Matthew 7:15's. IO did the work. I tried to understand. What I found out is Matthew 7:16 says if anyone talking about God, is not nice, then they are not talking about God.~
~~ I use the marks only when I am giving information that God gave me, in some fashion or another, or if things are being actively revealed to me at the time. (It doesn't happen often, but when it does, I use those marks to give credit where credit is due.) That informtion came to me in Jan/Feb of 2006 and it took me three months to understand.
I hope that helps, but figs are males, grapes are women, briars are insulting personalities and hurtful remarks from males, from females hurtful remarks are thorns. Try it out. It works.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

P.S. Notice that if I am who I say I am in my biography, then these things will not surprise you, as they really do not come from me. And they don't really, I am not that smart. Nor am I that wise. I am not.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[katerinah1947]

The Ante-Nicene Fathers affirmed Christ's deity and spoke of "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", even though their language is not that of the traditional doctrine as formalised in the fourth century. Trinitarians view these as elements of the codified doctrine.[25] Ignatius of Antioch provides early support for the Trinity around 110,[26] exhorting obedience to "Christ, and to the Father, and to the Spirit".[27] Justin Martyr (AD 100–c. 165) also writes, "in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit".[28] The first of the early church fathers to be recorded using the word "Trinity" was Theophilus of Antioch writing in the late 2nd century. He defines the Trinity as God, His Word (Logos) and His Wisdom (Sophia)[29] in the context of a discussion of the first three days of creation. The first defence of the doctrine of the Trinity was in the early 3rd century by the early church father Tertullian. He explicitly defined the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and defended the Trinitarian theology against the "Praxean" heresy.[30]

 

[katerinah1947]

Nontrinitarianism (or antitrinitarianism) refers to Christian belief systems which reject the doctrine of the Trinity as not having scriptural origin. Nontrinitarian views differ widely on the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Various nontrinitarian views, such as Adoptionism, Monarchianism and Arianism existed prior to the formal definition of the Trinity doctrine in 325, 360, and 431 AD, at the Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus.[104] Following the final victory of orthodoxy at Constantinople in 381, Arianism was driven from the Empire, retaining a foothold amongst the Teutonic tribes. When the Franks converted to Catholicism in 496, however, it gradually faded out.[105] Nontrinitarianism was later renewed in the Gnosticism of the Cathars in the 11th through 13th centuries, in the Age of Enlightenment of the 18th century, and in some groups arising during the Second Great Awakening of the 19th century.

Modern nontrinitarian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, the United Church of God and the Church of God (Seventh Day).

 

[katerinah1947]

As they traditionally profess a concept of monotheism with a singular person as God, Judaism[106] and Islam reject trinitarianism. Islam, which considers Jesus a prophet but not divine,[107] teaches the absolute indivisibility of a supremely sovereign and transcendent god,[108] and is distinctly antitrinitarian as several verses of the Quran teach that the doctrine of Trinity is blasphemous.[109]

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

—Qur'an, sura 112 (Al-Ikhlas), ayat 1-4[110]

Hi,
When I have had dealings in civilian or religious life, all members of non-triinitarian religions have certain pesonality traits in common, in my experience. Some of those were seen here. It is the reason I mentioned them, as I ran smack into those tactics here, normal tactics used in Islam, and the Jehovah's Witnesses. The Mormons, I have less time with, so I can't say whether they have anything in common in civilian life, compared to those other two groups, that I have much experience with.
LOVE and love.
...Katerina.,

 

[TheBarrd]

Looks like you've been doing some homework.
I'm impressed.

 

[katerinah1947]

Looks like you've been doing some homework.
I'm impressed.

Hi,
With? Impressed with who? You are talking about my Boss are you not? Actually I know you are. He is impressive, and more.....
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[TheBarrd]

Hi,
With? Impressed with who? You are talking about my Boss are you not? Actually I know you are. He is impressive, and more.....
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

Ahh, my sweet Katie...Gramma has had a long and exhausting day. It is time and past time for this old lady to lay her tired bones down.
G'night, Hun..

 

[ron4shua]

I posted this on ; http://www.christianforums.com/t7867686-5/ ,
( Just how mysterious IS the Trinity? ) page 5 , post # 50 ,
I meant it for here .


Does Scripture interpret Scripture ?

Tim 3:16 All Scripture is breathed by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness,

17that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work.

Is Scripture recorded in parables for a reason ?

Matt 13: ....“Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11And He answering, said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, but to them it has not been given.

12“For whoever possesses, to him more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but whoever does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away from him.

13“Because of this I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

14“And in them the prophecy of Yeshayahu is completely filled, which says, ‘Hearing you shall hear and by no means understand, and seeing you shall see and by no means perceive,

So then , this command by our Master would be or should be recognized as a form of parable , correct ?

Matt 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit,

" IN THE NAME ' OF ' "

Well now , let me see ... as a matter of fact I'm a " Father " five times . I receive cards from my children addressed in some way in " FATHER " . How can " Scripture interpret Scripture" help us here ?

How about the " Name " , we all know our Elohim is The Father , in fact The " Father " of ALL but "father" is NOT a or The " Name " of our Elohim .

What does Scripture say about this ?

Bible Search: YAH

2“See, Ěl is my deliverance, I trust and am not afraid. For Yah, יהוה, is my strength and my song; and He has become my deliverance.”

" YAH or YAHU

The 'Personal' Name of the 'God of Israel' by which He anciently revealed Himself to Moses ( 6:2). 'YAH' is spelled in original Hebrew, with the 10th letter of the Hebrew alphabet - the 'yood', smallest letter in the alphabet, represented by the inverted comma ( ' ). YAHU also has the meaning of 'He is YAH"

John 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him.

24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

25The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Anointed. When that One comes, He shall announce to us all.”

26יהושע said to her, “I who am speaking to you am He.

So then , just to many trees or to much forest ? Step over the dogma & please come on in , the water is great .

(ISR)

 

[katerinah1947]

I posted this on ; http://www.christianforums.com/t7867686-5/ ,
( Just how mysterious IS the Trinity? ) page 5 , post # 50 ,
I meant it for here .


Does Scripture interpret Scripture ?

Hi,
Wow that's a good one. I have always used all of scripture on a subject to understand a single item of scripture. I also use all of scripture to understand a single word. Yet, dear Ron, since I live scripture, no more do I quote it.
So, yes Scripture is needed to interpret Scripture. It was when I had to learn scripture.

Tim 3:16 All Scripture is breathed by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness,

Yes. Also Scripture, the Old Testament to us cannot be changed, and in there, Jesus is talked about, such as in Psalms 2.


17that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work.

Yes. Isn't it intresting, that in this case with these guys, it also took some of God's other places He talks about. For instance, sceince is commanded by God in Genisis. It is the blessing of to subdue the Earth. I used science the science of the mind and of habits, with those folks. A next for instance, when I read Romans 13 1-5, God also says to use His laws, that he makes for civilians, and those people broke those laws also, in misrepresenting themselves. Also it is cocidered to be a broken law, to be verbally abusive, and they are that.

Is Scripture recorded in parables for a reason ?

Yes. The early saying of all Jesus talked about was to keep those who had enough time with God, for God to shut their minds, while Jesus was here. It is said: Unless they should come to Him and be healed. It is the plan of God then, to not let them come to Him, when Jesus was here. Rather God's plan was something else.
Interestingly enough, most Chrisitians and Christian Churches are in that same situation today, with pastors and even priests being much like most of the clergy back in the times of Jesus.

Matt 13: ....“Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11And He answering, said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, but to them it has not been given.

And, yes some of us, have great knowledge of God, given to us. We do. One thing I constantly am reminded of by God, is I am not that good, and to not mistake my work, when using Him, as me, but rather as gifts given to me, to accomplish a task. Each time I make a mistake, and start thinking I am good, God reminds me that I am not. I am not.

12“For whoever possesses, to him more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but whoever does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away from him.

This has happened much to me. I have been given excessive amounts by God, and I love and like all of it.

13“Because of this I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

14“And in them the prophecy of Yeshayahu is completely filled, which says, ‘Hearing you shall hear and by no means understand, and seeing you shall see and by no means perceive,

Yes, even those two/one men did not see. They did not hear. They did not see what God is showing them in scripture, both old and new. They did not hear what they should hear there also. I am told by another, from God, that it takes a heart of a child, to see, to hear, the Words.

So then , this command by our Master would be or should be recognized as a form of parable , correct ?

I am going to have to read this again.

Matt 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit,

" IN THE NAME ' OF ' "

Yes.

Well now , let me see ... as a matter of fact I'm a " Father " five times . I receive cards from my children addressed in some way in " FATHER " . How can " Scripture interpret Scripture" help us here ?

Not sure yet.

How about the " Name " , we all know our Elohim is The Father , in fact The " Father " of ALL but "father" is NOT a or The " Name " of our Elohim .

What does Scripture say about this ?

Ah you mean for a Father, not only does he have adopted children, but maybe He has natural children, One who is Sent, and one who is Begotten, both totally from Him with no mother, but just Him and both His natural sons, but only one is called that.

Bible Search: YAH

2“See, Ěl is my deliverance, I trust and am not afraid. For Yah, יהוה, is my strength and my song; and He has become my deliverance.”

" YAH or YAHU

The 'Personal' Name of the 'God of Israel' by which He anciently revealed Himself to Moses ( 6:2). 'YAH' is spelled in original Hebrew, with the 10th letter of the Hebrew alphabet - the 'yood', smallest letter in the alphabet, represented by the inverted comma ( ' ). YAHU also has the meaning of 'He is YAH"

John 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him.

Which I do...

24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

Okay.... He is. The Holy Spirit is. Jesus once was, but is now both.

25The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Anointed. When that One comes, He shall announce to us all.”

Okay...

26יהושע said to her, “I who am speaking to you am He.

Yes.....

So then , just to many trees or to much forest ? Step over the dogma & please come on in , the water is great .

It is both dear. It is both. You said it above, much is in parables, but not to me. Also one cannot see normally, unless they have help, and Ron, I had help, both Jerome and The Holy Spirit helped me immensely. They did. But, everyone claims all spirts are the Holy one. I only say, I think He helped me, for how else do I know so much? Well there is my marriage, if I am who I say I am to, and with God The Father. So, maybe that is why.
I remember the first night after the items were confirmed in the church by a fleece test, something happened at home that night. I learned much about God from that. I learned that other than sent, The Holy Spirit is not only a part of each of them, all three, but, the purity of that in The Father, makes the feeling of The Holy Spirit, indistinguisable to me, whether it came from Jesus, The Father, or The Holy Spirit.
LOVE and love,
...Katherina., .... .

(ISR)

LOVE and love,
...Katherina., .... .