Really? Trinity?

[2ducklow]

You try to insinuate that because Duck hasn't answered your question that this in some way offers some credence to your accusations. It does not. For I believe that he simply MISSED it. I'll bet if you ask him again, he'll answer and without attempting to mislead ANYONE.

Blessings,

MEC

I just don't want to beat that dead horse again. Other dead horses yea, but I'm tired of that one.

 

[katerinah1947]

I wouldn't have known the angel if I hadn't been torn by the dog. As I said, it is a very long story, and much of it is rather unbelievable...I wouldn't believe it myself if it had not happened to me.
However, Kate makes a very good point...not every spirit is an angel.

Hi,
I would love to hear your angel encounter. My mom has one. I have a friend with some. I have felt them but only recently. I have engaged them, but only recently. Here, for my angel encounters I am called an occult practicioner. My being presented with The Essence of God, in front of me, is called imagination, or some form of occult. One other here, seems to have no problems with saying their encounters are never wrong, it is angels, oh they would never decieve him, but to me it is this: All my encounters are not real. All my encounters are gotten from the occult in some way. All. I would not mind that, if there was any way for them to validly prove that, but words of prophesy escape that person's mouth. His words are that sure, that I am in touch with demons who are lying to me, and therefore have the certainty of prophecy.
I would love to hear your story. I have found that many have really fun experiences with God, and all of those help the rest of us know God more.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[Imagican]

If Jesus Christ is not God, then He is dead, and cannot save anyone.
If He is nothing but a mortal man, then He would have died in any case, and the crucifixion meant nothing.
If He is not God, then our faith is in vain, and we are, as Paul put it, among all men most to be pitied.

No, see, there you go trying to PUT God into a BOX of your OWN design. Insisting that it MUST be YOUR way or NO way.

God CANNOT DIE so Jesus was OBVIOUSLY not GOD when HE DIED. So you are WRONG on that account.

If He as NOTHING but a mortal man, then all that He stated and ALL that He performed were indeed nothing more than a HOAX.

Why can't you SEE that God 'created' the Son before man was created. That the Son was with the Father FROM the beginning? The 'beginning' according to that which pertains to MANKIND.

Jesus PLAINLY stated that He was SENT by His Father: GOD. That the things that He spoke and the things that He did He LEARNED from The Father: God. And He also stated that we TOO can be ONE with God and Himself as He and God are ONE with each other.

So, according to the Bible, you are WRONG in everything you offered. Christ was NOT a mere mortal. He was the Son of God before man was created. His Father CHOSE to SEND Him and HE chose to be SENT in order to DIE for our sins.

But it was NOT 'God' that died upon the cross. Christ's own words PROVE that you and anyone else that believes this is WRONG: "My God, my God, why hath thou FORSAKEN me?".

Just look up the word forsake if you are unfamiliar with it's meaning. The statement by Christ PLAINLY illustrates that at the moment before His death, even the very SPIRIT of God was forced to abandon The Son for the Son to DIE for the sins of mankind. In order to TAKE ON sin, the Son HAD TO BE ALONE.

Satan didn't TEMPT God in the dessert. God CANNOT be tempted. So one that cannot be tempted CANNOT be TEMPTED.

Even Satan KNEW the Son. Even SATAN KNOWS that the Son and the Father are NOT the same nor are they TWO parts of ONE God. Satan PLAINLY knows God and he plainly knows the SON as well. Not as TWO persons of ONE God. He knows that God IS the Father and that Christ IS the Son.

Show us Biblical evidence where ONCE Christ ASKED someone 'WHO am I"? That they answer with ANYTHING other than: "thou art the Christ, the SON of the LIVING God".

And the words of Thomas are easily explained. Thomas, by doubting the Son, was doubting the Father as well. So when Thomas recognized his error in doubting both Father and Son, dropped to his knees and acknowledged BOTH.

When I pray, I acknowledge BOTH. But I do not acknowledge BOTH as being the Same. I acknowledge that God is the Father and Christ, His Son.

And how about this: in almost every epistle written by Paul, (you seem to think that Paul was teaching something DIFFERENT than what I"m offering), he opens EACH with words similar to these:

Ephesians 1 :
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now, HOW do you read these words and then still insist that Jesus IS God? Paul PLAINLY shows that the Father: GOD AND, (get it? AND. as in ADDITION TO, ALSO. GET IT?) the Lord Jesus Christ. God AND Jesus Christ. If Christ were a third person in ONE God, these words could not be uttered in TRUTH. They would be an utter deception. For to offer words that PLAINLY offer a distinction between God and the Son would be deception if The Son was a 'third person' that MAKES UP one God. Paul's words DO NOT offer: from THE Father and from the Son who are GOD. they plainly offer that GOD IS THE FATHER and Jesus Christ is LORD, not GOD. Basically what Paul offers is: From God AND the Lord Jesus Christ. Not God HOW IS the Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Hi,
I would love to hear your angel encounter. My mom has one. I have a friend with some. I have felt them but only recently. I have engaged them, but only recently. Here, for my angel encounters I am called an occult practicioner. My being presented with The Essence of God, in front of me, is called imagination, or some form of occult. One other here, seems to have no problems with saying their encounters are never wrong, it is angels, oh they would never decieve him, but to me it is this: All my encounters are not real. All my encounters are gotten from the occult in some way. All. I would not mind that, if there was any way for them to validly prove that, but words of prophesy escape that person's mouth. His words are that sure, that I am in touch with demons who are lying to me, and therefore have the certainty of prophecy.
I would love to hear your story. I have found that many have really fun experiences with God, and all of those help the rest of us know God more.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

The Bible itself should be ALL the proof that you need. NO WHERE in the Bible are we given an example of 'personal angels'. NO WHERE.

"Fun" experiences with God???? That sounds rather SENSUAL to me. You know, like you are comparing God to something that makes you happy. Like a 'toy' or 'a nice dinner'. Maybe a new pair of shoes.

There is MORE than one God that exists in this world. I have found that those that have fallen to the 'wiles' of the Catholic Church seem to be MOST prone to following MORE than ONE God.

You know, like the topless dancer that insists that she is a 'good Catholic'. Or the Mafia member that seems to receive the SAME blessings from the Catholic Church as any other congregant. Or like those of South America that continue to worship their previous pagan gods while professing to BE 'Catholic'. And it would appear that the Catholic Church SAYS that they do not approve, but so long as the money keeps flowing in, they ACCEPT it regardless.

You say that you have been oft visited by an angel as of late. I'm curious: WHY? What MESSAGE has this 'angel' offered that couldn't be revealed any other way? If you have no answer to this question, it would seem that you are merely offering this visitation as RANDOM. Without purpose other than to AMUSE you. If that is the case, then wouldn't it be prudent to TEST such 'spirit'? And if it fails to meet ANYTHING we have been offered in instruction, the obvious answer would be: it's not REALLY an angel but an 'entity' POSING as an 'angel'? The only entities that I am aware of that would mimic an angel would be 'demons'.

So, what SPECIAL information has this 'angel' revealed? Or is it merely ENCOURAGING you to continue down the same path you are already on? If you are truly being led to believe this to be an 'angel of God', show us what evidence you have used to determine it's authenticity according to God's Word. Other than it leading you to 'have fun', what else is it offering in TRUTH?

Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

Now, I have to wonder, Magician...if you are, as you claim to be, a Christian, where is your joy? Where is your peace?

And most important....where is your love?

 

[TheBarrd]

Kate says she has known folks who have had "fun experiences with God"....but you seem to think that there should be NO fun in our faith.
Yet Jesus did attend a wedding, and He did turn water to wine. Did He dance at that wedding, d'ya think?
Children seemed to love Jesus, and He often said we must become as children.
One thing I do know, for sure....kids don't like to hang with someone who is no fun.
Did Jesus ever laugh, d'ya think?

Didn't Jesus say of the kids that "their angels" always beheld the face of God?

 

[TheBarrd]

I'll bet that doing things like healing diseases, casting out demons, feeding hungry people, stopping a storm, and walking on water are all fun. What do you think?

 

[TheBarrd]

Don't you think that God took pleasure in designing the universe?
I'll bet He chuckled when He created the duck billed platypus...

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Don't you think that God took pleasure in designing the universe?
I'll bet He chuckled when He created the duck billed platypus...

i'm sure he did.

 

[TheBarrd]

No, see, there you go trying to PUT God into a BOX of your OWN design. Insisting that it MUST be YOUR way or NO way.


Sweetie, I didn't design the box that mortal men come in. You'll have to talk to God about that.

 

[TheBarrd]

It is YOU, Magician, who says that Jesus Christ must be a mortal man. You will never hear me utter such blasphemy...

 

[4x4toy]

Kate says she has known folks who have had "fun experiences with God"....but you seem to think that there should be NO fun in our faith.
Yet Jesus did attend a wedding, and He did turn water to wine. Did He dance at that wedding, d'ya think?
Children seemed to love Jesus, and He often said we must become as children.
One thing I do know, for sure....kids don't like to hang with someone who is no fun.
Did Jesus ever laugh, d'ya think?

Didn't Jesus say of the kids that "their angels" always beheld the face of God?

Are you kidding me .. I can see Jesus and his guys and Peter sitting around a fire talking and laughing about Peter sinking like a rock on the water , or Elijah out running the horse and chariot down the mountain at the appearance of the small cloud , or when Moses called the plague of frogs and Pharoahs magicians called more of the same on themselves .. Not to mention the laughter that comes from Godly joy , the funny stuff that just happens

 

[katerinah1947]

The Bible itself should be ALL the proof that you need. NO WHERE in the Bible are we given an example of 'personal angels'. NO WHERE.

"Fun" experiences with God???? That sounds rather SENSUAL to me. You know, like you are comparing God to something that makes you happy. Like a 'toy' or 'a nice dinner'. Maybe a new pair of shoes.

There is MORE than one God that exists in this world. I have found that those that have fallen to the 'wiles' of the Catholic Church seem to be MOST prone to following MORE than ONE God.

You know, like the topless dancer that insists that she is a 'good Catholic'. Or the Mafia member that seems to receive the SAME blessings from the Catholic Church as any other congregant. Or like those of South America that continue to worship their previous pagan gods while professing to BE 'Catholic'. And it would appear that the Catholic Church SAYS that they do not approve, but so long as the money keeps flowing in, they ACCEPT it regardless.

You say that you have been oft visited by an angel as of late. I'm curious: WHY? What MESSAGE has this 'angel' offered that couldn't be revealed any other way? If you have no answer to this question, it would seem that you are merely offering this visitation as RANDOM. Without purpose other than to AMUSE you. If that is the case, then wouldn't it be prudent to TEST such 'spirit'? And if it fails to meet ANYTHING we have been offered in instruction, the obvious answer would be: it's not REALLY an angel but an 'entity' POSING as an 'angel'? The only entities that I am aware of that would mimic an angel would be 'demons'.

So, what SPECIAL information has this 'angel' revealed? Or is it merely ENCOURAGING you to continue down the same path you are already on? If you are truly being led to believe this to be an 'angel of God', show us what evidence you have used to determine it's authenticity according to God's Word. Other than it leading you to 'have fun', what else is it offering in TRUTH?

Blessings,

MEC

Accept the ground rules or do not respond. I noticed you responde to this, but not to my post to you. At this point, you almost have lost all your priveledges to talk to me.
...Katerina.

 

[Imagican]

It is YOU, Magician, who says that Jesus Christ must be a mortal man. You will never hear me utter such blasphemy...

I would appreciate it if you would stop making false accusations. Better known as LYING. You, nor anyone else on this entire forum has EVER heard me offer that Christ was/IS merely a MORTAL MAN. In my last post, if I remember correctly, I OPENLY stated that Christ existed BEFORE man. That Christ was instrumental in the very 'creation' of man. How you are HEARING something I'm not saying is quite questionable.

Christ is the ONLY begotten SON OF God. That certainly separates Him from being 'merely a mortal'. The only TIME that He was 'mortal' was when He was a MAN in the FLESH.

Now, I ask you: DID Christ DIE, LITERALLY, did Christ DIE ON THE CROSS? I propose that if your answer is YES, then that is obvious PROOF that He is or was NOT God. For God is IMMORTAL. If Christ LITERALLY DIED, then He was NOT God. God cannot DIE or He is NOT God. He is NOT immortal.

Now, you show us, THROUGH scripture, that Christ is CO-ETERNAL with the Father: God. If you cannot or DO NOT, then I will assume that you recognize the fallibility of the very doctrine that you profess to believe and FOLLOW.

But do us BOTH a favor and STOP trying to put words into MY mouth. I openly confess and offer witness and testimony that Christ is NOT merely a MORTAL MAN. So you can NO LONGER make such a false allegation without KNOWINGLY offering a LIE.

As a prince has royalty in his very blood, so too does the SON share deity with the Father. All I have offered is that 'trinity' is NOT the answer. That 'trinity' is a MAN MADE doctrine that is based more on pagan beliefs than anything offered in the Bible. And I have offered that the Bible plainly illustrates that Christ WAS INDEED, created BY God, His Father. The very USE of the names 'Father and Son' are INDICATIVE of one COMING FROM the other. Christ openly stated that the Father is GREATER than the Son.

Obviously you are NEW to this environment. I have taken that into consideration so far as my responses are concerned. But when you decided to join such an environment, you SHOULD have realized that there are others that are MUCH more learned than yourself and that to enter and immediately SHOW how limited your understanding is makes it difficult for ANYONE to take what you offer seriously.

Do some 'homework' FIRST and then you may find yourself in a position to discuss such issues with a TOUCH of authority. Otherwise, simply recognize that you are merely a BABE, IF that, in Christ and obviously don't know the FIRST thing about what it is that you PROFESS to believe. Or at least that is the IMPRESSION you have offered ME through your words.

Both my mother and my father taught me a very valuable lesson when I was a 'child': If you don't like being spanked, DON'T misbehave. It made perfect sense to ME. At least then I KNEW what to expect. I can only hope someone cared enough about you as a child to teach you the same lesson. If not, I DO care enough about others to offer them whatever I'm able that is able to HELP them.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

Are you kidding me .. I can see Jesus and his guys and Peter sitting around a fire talking and laughing about Peter sinking like a rock on the water , or Elijah out running the horse and chariot down the mountain at the appearance of the small cloud , or when Moses called the plague of frogs and Pharoahs magicians called more of the same on themselves .. Not to mention the laughter that comes from Godly joy , the funny stuff that just happens

Exactly, 4x4....
To say that there ought not to be any fun in our faith is just ridiculous.
Magician makes me giggle...he's so stern and serious. I can see him strutting about like a peacock...

 

[Imagican]

Are you kidding me .. I can see Jesus and his guys and Peter sitting around a fire talking and laughing about Peter sinking like a rock on the water , or Elijah out running the horse and chariot down the mountain at the appearance of the small cloud , or when Moses called the plague of frogs and Pharoahs magicians called more of the same on themselves .. Not to mention the laughter that comes from Godly joy , the funny stuff that just happens

So YOU find Peter's LACK of faith something 'funny'? The plagues of Egypt something to LAUGH ABOUT?

Enough said. I appreciate your comment. It is always a GOOD thing to KNOW who it is that one engages in conversation. You have proven yourself succinctly and I thank you for your honesty.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Exactly, 4x4....
To say that there ought not to be any fun in our faith is just ridiculous.
Magician makes me giggle...he's so stern and serious. I can see him strutting about like a peacock...

Ok, first and last warning. the moniker is I M A G I C A N. It is NOT "magician". If you continue in such an aggressive and belligerent manner, we'll see if someone else may be willing to 'spank the baby'. For now you have made it perfectly CLEAR that you aren't here to discuss the ISSUE, but to try and pick a fight. You may well be GOOD at it. But that in and of itself simply shows that there is NO significance in whatever you have to offer. Your very words and the nature of your posts plainly illustrates WHO and WHAT you are.

Now, go and sin no more.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[katerinah1947]

Kate says she has known folks who have had "fun experiences with God"....but you seem to think that there should be NO fun in our faith.
Yet Jesus did attend a wedding, and He did turn water to wine. Did He dance at that wedding, d'ya think?
Children seemed to love Jesus, and He often said we must become as children.
One thing I do know, for sure....kids don't like to hang with someone who is no fun.
Did Jesus ever laugh, d'ya think?

Didn't Jesus say of the kids that "their angels" always beheld the face of God?

Hi,
Yes you are right, about casting out demons is fun. It is because of the wonderful effects on humans and buildings when the demons are no longer there.
Many years ago, I watched a news man, who was totally befuddled. Demons were cast out of fishing vessel. The guy who did it, thought this to be quite ordinary. The newsman heard the story but couldn't understand. The men who worked on the boated, hated that boat. Things were always breaking, and the catches were always bad.
I remembered what the man did. Years later I am in a home. The woman was sweet. The man was brilliant while drunk, but quite ordinary while sober. His brilliance was high, and his insults were high also. I watched. I then got an idea. I did not want to bring up something to non believers. I didn't. She really liked me though. She is a harlot. She is also mentally some other things. But through all of that I saw a certain sweetness, and the verbal abuse she took from her boyfriend was extreme.
One day, I asked her if I could do something. She in happiness and joy said yes. Since he lived there also, even though he was paying her no rent, and she owned the house, so I figured I had to get his permission also. He gave it to me. I did my thing. He was never brilliant again while drunk. Everyone who knew him noticed.
That was fun, for him, for her, for the house. Working for God is fun. It is. It really is. It is. It......
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[Imagican]

No, see, there you go trying to PUT God into a BOX of your OWN design. Insisting that it MUST be YOUR way or NO way.


Sweetie, I didn't design the box that mortal men come in. You'll have to talk to God about that.

Sweetie? Oh my. Would you like to 'shake hands' as well? How about a loving KISS to just to show me how much you REALLY care?

And NEXT, I suppose, you'll be telling me JUST how MUCH you KNOW God and His Son?

I said NOTHING about 'mortal man'. My response was to someone trying to say that it can ONLY be 'their way' as pertains to GOD, not MAN. So how you came up with your response is very confusing.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[4x4toy]

So YOU find Peter's LACK of faith something 'funny'? The plagues of Egypt something to LAUGH ABOUT?

Enough said. I appreciate your comment. It is always a GOOD thing to KNOW who it is that one engages in conversation. You have proven yourself succinctly and I thank you for your honesty.

Blessings,

MEC

Bwahahaha , Jesus told Peter to throw in a line , catch the fish , open its mouth take out the sheckel and pay their taxes .. The expression on Peters face before and after he opened the fishs mouth I relate to my own and it is funny to speculate ? But you are right and we are to be sober minded , but remember Man needs parlimentary procedure for order but God keeps perfect order by his Word.. Please forgive me if you were offended .. There is a time for everything