Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?
Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?
There are different points of view about this.Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?
Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?
There are different points of view about this.
Basic ones:
a) preterism (prophecies or at least main prophecies were fulfilled in the 1st century)
b) historicism (prophecies are being fulfilled throughout history)
c) futurism (prophecies will be fulfilled in the future)
Inside futurism, there are internally two more possibilities:
a) there will be two "second comings" of Christ, one hidden (rapture) and one visible (as a Judge), 7 years or 3 years between them
- rapture, in this sense, is supposed to take you to heaven and after 3/7 years you will come back to earth
b) there will be one "second coming" and in this case you are supposed to be just taken up to skies to meet coming Jesus and then you are supposed to descend with him back to earth
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Conclusion: never trust anybody who will tell you his "one true opinion". There are many possibilities of how to see eschatology.
Because of your question, its clear you were taught futurism, probably the point a)
Biggest, smallest... its all fluid and still changing as church is still changing through centuries and even decades...Idealism is the biggest view within modern Amillennialism.
Biggest, smallest... its all fluid and still changing as church is still changing through centuries and even decades...
There is nothing firm in eschatology.
It seems to me that idealism is not exactly another distinct possibility, its just a non literal approach to Revelation, but can be applied inside preterism, historicism and futurism.Biggest/smallest was not my overriding concern, I just thought it would be helpful if you acknowledged it in the options. That was my reason for mentioning.
It seems to me that idealism is not exactly another distinct possibility, its just a non literal approach to Revelation, but can be applied inside preterism, historicism and futurism.
Can you tell me more systematically, what is the eschatology of idealism, then? I did not find anything relevant.It is completely different to the other 3 because it refers to symbolic recaps pertaining to the conflict between the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light, not historic events, like the other 3.
Can you tell me more systematically, what is the eschatology of idealism, then? I did not find anything relevant.
Idealists believe that Revelation 1-22 consists of a number of figurative prophetic parallels (most believe seven in total) revealing the overall battle between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness. They relate, like every other New Testament book, to the period running between the first and Second Advents. Significantly, the conclusion of each parallel terminates with a record of the glorious Second Advent, which includes the rescue of His saint and the final destruction of the wicked.
Parallel’s are simply different camera views of the same corresponding intra-Advent period which look at different aspects of the great battle between darkness and light.
Revelation is written for the purpose of revealing the character and standing of Christ, His power and glory, following His victorious earthly ministry. It reveals who Christ is, His current standing, what His plan is, and it also ministers unto those who are going through tribulation.
Revelation is designed to enlighten God’s people, stir their hearts and increase their faith.
John basically goes behind the scenes into the spiritual realm and articulates in symbolic form the enormity of the great conflict between light and darkness. In the book of Revelation, we get a perceptive insight into the invisible realm.
Those who have eyes to see will get the thrust of the book! I didn’t say that you would get every minute detail. But you should get the overall message of the apocalypse.
What we are looking at is a spiritual revelation of our Savior revealed to us in symbolic form. We get a general overview of the story. We then have an expansion of particular aspects of that story. Scripture often does that.
CYCLE 1
Seven Churches (Ch 2-3)
CYCLE 2
Seven Seals (Ch 6-8:1)
CYCLE 3
Seven Trumpets (Ch 8-11)
CYCLE 4 (Ch 12-14)
The conflict between kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness.
CYCLE 5
Seven Vials (Ch 15-16)
CYCLE 6
Babylon (Ch 17-19)
CYCLE 7
The spiritual binding of Satan from the cross. The advance of the Gospel to the nations. The victorious reign of the saints in heaven. The ushering in of the New Heaven and the New Earth (Ch 20-22:1-5).
And aside the book of Revelation? What is the eschatology of idealism?
There is no scripture that says people alive or dead, go to live in heaven. Only the souls of the martyrs are kept there; under the Altar. Revelation 6:9-11Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?
There is no scripture that says people alive or dead, go to live in heaven. Only the souls of the martyrs are kept there; under the Altar. Revelation 6:9-11
The prophecy of Paul's in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is plainly for after the Millennium, when the final Judgment of everyone takes place and the Book of Life is opened.
Proved by how it is only then; that Death will be no more. 1 Cor 15:54-55, Revelation 21:4
Absolute fanciful assumption and guesswork.evelation 7:9-14 adds further light on the matter, saying, “I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb…one of the elders answered, saying unto me, what are these which are arrayed in white robes? And whence came they? And I said unto him, sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
The souls are therefore identified here as (1) the redeemed and are clearly located (2) in heaven.
Verse 15 continues, “Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.”
Absolute fanciful assumption and guesswork.
NOWHERE does Rev 7 mention heaven. In fact that chapter sets the earthly scene in the first 3 verses.
It is never said to change location. Gods Throne can be seen from the earth, if He wills it. Ezekiel 1:1, Acts 7:56
Revelation 7:15-17 is a prophecy of the time after the Millennium. Proved by Revelation 21:4, they both say then; God will wipe away every tear.
Greetings WailingWall well not entirely.Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?
That you are quite wrong is proved by how God's Throne can and has been seen by people standing on the earth. Ezekiel 1:1 and Acts 7:56.You err.
Revelation 7 refers to the throne of God no less than seven times, and its Occupant, and those and the activities surrounding it.
Revelation 4:2 reveals the location of that throne:
And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
As you've said, the throne never changes location.
Revelation 7 is Revelation heaven.