RAPTURED TO WHERE?

[Davy]

Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?

This is pretty much the only direct reference of the Church being gathered to heaven...

Mark 13:27
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

Thing is though, Zechariah 14 shows Jesus brings all... the saints with Him to Jerusalem on earth at His coming.

So I think the key is with understanding 'where' the heavenly is when that event happens.

Paul's idea about the change at the twinkling of an eye is about being changed from our flesh corruptible type bodies into a "spiritual body", what he also called there the "image of the heavenly" (1 Corinthians 15).

That shows it's about two different dimensions of existence, this earthy one we live in today, and then the heavenly one manifested with that change on the last trump event.

The problem I think is that most automatically think a heavenly dimension existence doesn't have anything to do with living on this earth. Yet God's Word showed us how angels can eat earthly food and live upon this earth.

Isaiah 25:5-9 hints at all peoples being changed on the last day of this world, with the heavenly being revealed right here, on earth. Paul did say that as we have borne the image of the earthy we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Have the wicked borne the image of the earthy? Yes. They shall also bear the heavenly image too, but still under a liable to perish condition at the "second death", which is about the "resurrection of damnation." (see John 5:28-29).

 

[Marilyn C]

Jesus Himself makes it clear that there will be a Day of vengeance; a literal day, when He will destroy the godless as He did in Noah's time. He didn't read Isaiah 61:2b-11, all that awaits the end times. Revelation 6:12-17, Matthew 3:12, Luke 12:49

We Christians seem to be failing in that task; the world has become more atheist and godless over the last 100 years. What is God to do?
He will do what He did before; reset our civilization; this time with fire. 2 Peter 3:1-7 says it clearly.

Hi keras,

Our mandate was NOT to change the world. God always said He would judge it as it is Satan`s evil world system. We are to grow in the divine nature and make disciples. Nothing about fixing up or changing the world system.

We are NOT failing in our task for Christ the HEAD of the Body is doing a wonderful work and will accomplish it before the trib, making the Body mature and come to the knowledge of Him, (Eph, 4: 13)

And even while the judgments are coming forth God`s hand of mercy is outstretched and untold millions come to God, (Rev. 7: 9 - 17)

 

[Lost4words]

Revelation is the most misinterpreted and misunderstood book in the Bible. Clearly witnessed by the replies we see daily regarding end times.

 

[Davy]

Revelation is the most misinterpreted and misunderstood book in the Bible. Clearly witnessed by the replies we see daily regarding end times.

I don't find Revelation all that difficult in today's time, since we are closer to the end now.

The problem with so many confusing interpretations is because of the 'hireling' in many pulpits today that preach for money. God didn't call them, and they don't understand much of God's Word, for it is not given, so they have to make stuff up.

Doing that is easy for them when they especially have a seminary system setup just for pushing a certain doctrinal line, regardless if it's actual doctrine written in God's Word or not. And because Satan dupes many people in this world using worldly credentials, many congregations are easy prey.

 

[claninja]

Jesus Himself makes it clear that there will be a Day of vengeance; a literal day, when He will destroy the godless as He did in Noah's time. He didn't read Isaiah 61:2b-11, all that awaits the end times. Revelation 6:12-17, Matthew 3:12, Luke 12:49

Jesus states the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem fulfills ALL THAT IS WRITTEN in regards to the days of vengeance.

Luke 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.

Attributing any future events as the fulfillment of the days of vengeance would be an addition to scripture and only promotes speculation.

He will do what He did before; reset our civilization; this time with fire. 2 Peter 3:1-7 says it clearly.

I'm not arguing that there won't new heavens and earth. I'm discussing that the destruction of the 1st century Jerusalem fulfills ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN in regards to the days of vengeance.

 

[keras]

Jesus states the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem fulfills ALL THAT IS WRITTEN in regards to the days of vengeance.

Yes claninja; Luke 21:22 does say 'all'.
But how can it mean every last prophecy about the wrath of God? Plenty of Bible prophecy is obviously unfulfilled, including nearly all of Revelation.
You simply can't biff Revelation into past history.

I see Luke 21:22 as meaning; all that was prophesied for that time. As Jesus said, the Romans did come and they destroyed the Temple and exiled the Jews.

What is glaringly obvious, is todays situation:
An over populated world, many nations unable to feed their people, unrest and sedition prevalent. But the most concerning area is the Middle East region, where covert and open warfare continues and where the Islamic peoples will explode in rage when Israel annexes the West Bank.

Will the Lord allow the holy Land to be polluted by radiation from nuke weapons? NO; He will arise and in His terrible vengeance and fiery wrath, He will destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 11:4-6

 

[keras]

This is pretty much the only direct reference of the Church being gathered to heaven...

Mark 13:27
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Davy; that verse is about the gathering out of, not into. When Jesus Returns.
The Greek word there, translated as heaven, is 'ouranon'. Meaning our sky, our atmosphere; NOT God's dwelling place.

It is time for all who have believed the 'rapture to heaven' false teaching, to realize their mistake and to prepare themselves for a short time of testing of their faith. 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 10:14

 

[Davy]

Davy; that verse is about the gathering out of, not into. When Jesus Returns.
The Greek word there, translated as heaven, is 'ouranon'. Meaning our sky, our atmosphere; NOT God's dwelling place.

It is time for all who have believed the 'rapture to heaven' false teaching, to realize their mistake and to prepare themselves for a short time of testing of their faith. 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 10:14

No, you still don't understand.

The Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 events parallel what Paul was teaching in 1 Thessalonians 4 about the gathering to Christ of two specific groups of saints.

Per 1 Corinthians 15, on the "last trump", those still alive on earth will go through that 'change' at the twinkling of an eye. There is not going to be anymore flesh human existence on earth right after that change event that is to occur at an instant, suddenly. That is when the HEAVENLY will be revealed right here, ON EARTH.

I know many struggle with trying to understand how Heaven and earth can exist in the same space and time, but that's exactly what will take place, on this earth. Those still alive on earth when Jesus comes will be changed to the "spiritual body" that Paul taught. That is what is represented with being 'caught up' to meet Jesus in the "air".

It is also the deeper meaning behind why the 7th Vial is poured out into the "air" on the last day, and not upon the earth. Did you ever notice that? (Revelation 16:17). It is also why I've been trying to show you that the timing of God's consuming fire is for the last day when Jesus returns, which is the same day as that 7th Vial, 7th Trumpet. That is the "day of the Lord" that will come upon many "as a thief in the night."

Our Heavenly Father once dwelt upon this earth. His Garden of Eden was once here, literally, on this earth. Since John 4 tells us that GOD is a Spirit, then how could He literally live upon this earth? That is what we all will come to understand, beginning with His Son's return.

Also, note Revelation 6:15-16 shows the wicked will 'see' The Father sitting on His throne, along with The Son, on that day of Christ's return. That is another pointer to the Heavenly being opened up right here on earth, for all to see on that day. It is the idea of the removing of the veil of Isaiah 25 that is upon all nations. It is what the idea in Rev.1 is about of all eyes seeing Christ coming in the clouds at His return, even those who pierced Him. The Heavenly is going to be opened up.

So being joined to Christ and the asleep saints Jesus brings with Him on that day doesn't mean going to live off the earth, like you are thinking Mark 13 is saying. It is pointing to those of 1 Thess.4 "caught up" to meet Jesus in the "air" (i.e., in their heavenly spiritual body). Where that spiritual body is manifest, that is where heaven is too, because it is a body of spirit, not earthly matter. Paul called it the "image of the heavenly". Jesus said those of the resurrection are as the angels of God in heaven.

 

[keras]

No, you still don't understand.

I regard you as the one who doesn't understand.
Your ideas of immortality when Jesus Returns and His wrath at that time, are contrary to what the prophesies actually say.
Not too much longer now; maybe later this year, all will be revealed.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Cant seem to find anywhere in scripture that we are goin to heaven after we are changed in the twinkling of an eye. Anyone?

That's because no such idea is found in Scripture.

When Christ returns the dead are raised and the living saints are changed and transformed with the resurrected dead, from mortal to immortal, corruptible to incorruptible, etc. St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15 that Christ must reign until all things are made subject to Him. When does Christ reign? Well, right now. At His ascension the Lord said, "All authority has been given unto Me", and in Acts ch. 3 St. Peter says that heaven must keep Him until "the restoration of all things". So when the Lord returns, He returns to deliver all things over to the Father, and God is all-in-all.

"But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at His coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For 'God has put all things in subjection under His feet.' But when it says, 'all things are put in subjection,' it is plain that He is excepted who put all things in subjection under Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things in subjection under Him, that God may be all in all." - 1 Corinthians 15:20-28

So then what does it mean when the Apostle says, "Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17)?

It means simply this: That when the Lord comes in glory, and the dead are raised, and we join with them, and together we meet the returning Lord who comes down from heaven to the earth, we shall always be with the Lord. For when all is said and done, and death has been destroyed, "Where O Death is your sting? Where O Death is your victory?" for "Death is swallowed up in victory" (1 Corinthians 15:54-55) all things shall be made new:

"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness. I will rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress. No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who dies not fill out his days," - Isaiah 65:17-20a

"Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as a they burn. But according to His promise we are waiting for a new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells." - 2 Peter 3:11-13

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a pride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, 'Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.'

And He who was seated on the throne said, 'Behold, I am making all things new!' Also He said, 'Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.' And He said to me, 'It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be My son.'" - Revelation 21:1-7

We shall ever be with the Lord, for when the Lord comes in judgment, God makes all things new. For indeed,

"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." - Romans 8:19-21

Creation itself longs for this Day, when Christ comes, and all things are made new, at the resurrection of the body, and the glorious life of the Age to Come. It is here that we shall ever be with the Lord, in the perfect, glorious Age where righteousness resides, and there is peace, joy, and there is neither suffering or weeping or grieving.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[claninja]

Yes claninja; Luke 21:22 does say 'all'.
But how can it mean every last prophecy about the wrath of God?

Because Jesus says so.

Luke 21:20 For these are the days of vengeance, to fulfill ALL that is written.

Plenty of Bible prophecy is obviously unfulfilled, including nearly all of Revelation.
You simply can't biff Revelation into past history.

The events prophesied in revelation were near to the time that John saw the vision.

Revelation 1:1-3 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.

Revelation 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.

I see Luke 21:22 as meaning; all that was prophesied for that time. As Jesus said, the Romans did come and they destroyed the Temple and exiled the Jews.

Jesus didn't say "for that time". Jesus clearly demonstrates that the days surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem are the days of vengeance to fulfill ALL that was written.

 

[keras]

The events prophesied in revelation were near to the time that John saw the vision.

But it is plain to everyone, except those who seem to be unable to face the prospect of dramatic future events, that what is prophesied in Revelation and throughout the Bible, has NOT happened yet.

 

[claninja]

But it is plain to everyone, except those who seem to be unable to face the prospect of dramatic future events, that what is prophesied in Revelation and throughout the Bible, has NOT happened yet.

Another non answer, that doesn't even address anything I posted.......

 

[iamlamad]

But it is plain to everyone, except those who seem to be unable to face the prospect of dramatic future events, that what is prophesied in Revelation and throughout the Bible, has NOT happened yet.

Very good point: people reading Revelation with preconceived glasses just don't see this truth. Preconceptions can be so strong, they can end up with a theory 180 degrees out from the truth of scripture.

 

[iamlamad]

That's because no such idea is found in Scripture.

When Christ returns the dead are raised and the living saints are changed and transformed with the resurrected dead, from mortal to immortal, corruptible to incorruptible, etc. St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15 that Christ must reign until all things are made subject to Him. When does Christ reign? Well, right now. At His ascension the Lord said, "All authority has been given unto Me", and in Acts ch. 3 St. Peter says that heaven must keep Him until "the restoration of all things". So when the Lord returns, He returns to deliver all things over to the Father, and God is all-in-all.

Sure that idea [of a rapture to heaven] is found in scripture and untold millions today believe it - BECAUSE it is found in scripture. I understand, people reading with preconceived glasses won't find it. That does not mean it does not exist.

Jesus went back to heaven, and one of His purposes was to build homes for His children. They will need those homes for the 7 years of Jacob's trouble. Many people have been to heaven and got prayed back to earth, and have SEEN these mansions. Some have seen their OWN mansion. And then returned to earth to testify. Some saw the preparations for the marriage supper taking place, while others have seen and been told the preparations are finished: heaven is just waiting now on the rapture to bring the saints home.

Of course, many will dismiss such personal testimonies, because they don't fit people's theories. But these personal testimonies DO fit scripture. The marriage and supper will take place in heaven before Jesus descends to Armageddon. Of course that blows some theories out of the water, so to speak, so they are forced to change what John wrote, or rearrange.

The truth is, if anyone is to get to heaven for the marriage supper, they will either have to die and get their in spirit form, or be raptured. Plain and simple. One day soon Jesus will come and get His "bride" and take us to the homes He has built for us. Believe it!

The point is, if no rapture, God would have to call off the marriage.

 

[Davy]

I regard you as the one who doesn't understand.
Your ideas of immortality when Jesus Returns and His wrath at that time, are contrary to what the prophesies actually say.
Not too much longer now; maybe later this year, all will be revealed.

What I showed is directly from the Scripture evidence, so you can try... and make up counter-evidence from the prophets, which really does not exist, because it would be going against the very Scriptures I showed.

You obviously think the resurrection and change on the day of Christ's coming is to a new flesh body, when it is not, for that kind of thinking is the theory of reincarnation, and doctrine that was popular also among the Jews in Jesus' day.

The "spiritual body", or body of 'incorruption', does not automatically mean an immortal body, because for the wicked who are resurrected, they can still be subject to the "second death" and perish in the lake of fire. That you obviously have yet to understand.

 

[iamlamad]

Because Jesus says so.

Luke 21:20 For these are the days of vengeance, to fulfill ALL that is written.



The events prophesied in revelation were near to the time that John saw the vision.

Revelation 1:1-3 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.

Revelation 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.



Jesus didn't say "for that time". Jesus clearly demonstrates that the days surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem are the days of vengeance to fulfill ALL that was written.

So you put tons of weight (so to speak) on one verse, and no weight (so to speak) on the many verses of Revelation that deny what you are saying?

It is a huge mistake to form doctrine on one verse and ignore the rest. One ends up with nonsense.

 

[iamlamad]

No, you still don't understand.

The Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 events parallel what Paul was teaching in 1 Thessalonians 4 about the gathering to Christ of two specific groups of saints.

Per 1 Corinthians 15, on the "last trump", those still alive on earth will go through that 'change' at the twinkling of an eye. There is not going to be anymore flesh human existence on earth right after that change event that is to occur at an instant, suddenly. That is when the HEAVENLY will be revealed right here, ON EARTH.

I know many struggle with trying to understand how Heaven and earth can exist in the same space and time, but that's exactly what will take place, on this earth. Those still alive on earth when Jesus comes will be changed to the "spiritual body" that Paul taught. That is what is represented with being 'caught up' to meet Jesus in the "air".

It is also the deeper meaning behind why the 7th Vial is poured out into the "air" on the last day, and not upon the earth. Did you ever notice that? (Revelation 16:17). It is also why I've been trying to show you that the timing of God's consuming fire is for the last day when Jesus returns, which is the same day as that 7th Vial, 7th Trumpet. That is the "day of the Lord" that will come upon many "as a thief in the night."

Our Heavenly Father once dwelt upon this earth. His Garden of Eden was once here, literally, on this earth. Since John 4 tells us that GOD is a Spirit, then how could He literally live upon this earth? That is what we all will come to understand, beginning with His Son's return.

Also, note Revelation 6:15-16 shows the wicked will 'see' The Father sitting on His throne, along with The Son, on that day of Christ's return. That is another pointer to the Heavenly being opened up right here on earth, for all to see on that day. It is the idea of the removing of the veil of Isaiah 25 that is upon all nations. It is what the idea in Rev.1 is about of all eyes seeing Christ coming in the clouds at His return, even those who pierced Him. The Heavenly is going to be opened up.

So being joined to Christ and the asleep saints Jesus brings with Him on that day doesn't mean going to live off the earth, like you are thinking Mark 13 is saying. It is pointing to those of 1 Thess.4 "caught up" to meet Jesus in the "air" (i.e., in their heavenly spiritual body). Where that spiritual body is manifest, that is where heaven is too, because it is a body of spirit, not earthly matter. Paul called it the "image of the heavenly". Jesus said those of the resurrection are as the angels of God in heaven.

I often wonder why people hold onto beliefs that are different from the 99% of other believers? Or probably 99>99%.

Readers, what we have here is a comedy of errors: one after another after another. Let's sort this out:

those still alive on earth will go through that 'change' at the twinkling of an eye. There is not going to be anymore flesh human existence on earth

WHO gets "changed" into a resurrection body at the last trump?

1 Cor. 15: 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1 Thes. 4:
6 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(It is understood (without Paul saying it) that the "we" which are alive must also be limited to those who are "in Christ."

Paul wrote both of these passages: He certainly would not change his doctrine between these two epistles. AT Christ's coming FOR His church, PRETRIB, ONLY those in Christ are called up and changed.

That is what is represented with being 'caught up' to meet Jesus in the "air". What is REALLY being meant by being "caught up to meet Jesus in the air is all those "IN CHRIST" on earth WILL BE caught up and meet Jesus in the air, exactly as is written in the literal sense in which it is written - for the trip to heaven where Jesus has prepared all our homes. It is where Jesus will remain for the duration of the time of Jacob's trouble. The Gentile church is not of "Jacob" and will not be here on earth during that time.

which is the same day as that 7th Vial, 7th Trumpet. The truth is, the 7th trumpet is the MIDPOINT of the week, and the 7th vial ENDS the week. Any time someone tries to show any trumpet at the same time as any vial, or the same time as any seal, we can know without a shadow of doubt they don't understand John's Chronology. My axiom on Revelation:

"ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology to fit some theory is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong."

That is the "day of the Lord" [the last day] that will come upon many "as a thief in the night."

I am going to write a second axiom:

"Any theory that forces TWO more comings of our Lord - first coming FOR His bride, and the next WITH His bride - into one coming at the end of the week, is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong."

Where does JOHN show us the start of the Day of the Lord? NOT at the end, but at the 6th seal. Jesus will come PRE 6th seal FOR His church, and that coming will trigger the rapture, and the rapture will trigger the Day of the Lord. The DAY comes as a thief because HE will come as a thief: at a time when people are saying "peace and safety" (a day just like today).

Our Heavenly Father once dwelt upon this earth. His Garden of Eden was once here, literally, on this earth.
[sarc] And all this time, I was sure (after reading much at an LDS library) that our Heavenly Father came from (and grew up on) a DIFFERENT planet - reached godhood and was sent to this planet to be its god! [/sarc]

Readers, all this is - is poor fiction.

Where in the world did you come up with this theory? Please show us book, chapter, and verse. Readers, of course the TRUTH IS, God placed ADAM in the Garden of Eden.

John 4 tells us that GOD is a Spirit, then how could He literally live upon this earth? He has never lived on this earth. The "Adam / God" theory is BOGUS. God has ALWAYS BEEN and did not live on any planet anywhere. (For about 32 years a PART of God - a part of the triune Godhead - the SEEN part - did live on earth with a flesh and blood body.)

Also, note Revelation 6:15-16 shows the wicked will 'see' The Father sitting on His throne,
Sorry, they IMAGINE Him: it does not say they see Him: "hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne."

So being joined to Christ and the asleep saints Jesus brings with Him on that day doesn't mean going to live off the earth
[sarc]And all this time I thought John 14 was truth.[/sarc] The truth is, Jesus went to build us homes and is coming to get is and TAKE US to those homes He has prepared. (the prefect picture of a Jewish wedding.)

 

[claninja]

So you put tons of weight (so to speak) on one verse, and no weight (so to speak) on the many verses of Revelation that deny what you are saying?

No. I put the "weight" on Jesus' clear and non symbolic words that 1st century Jerusalem's destruction would fulfill all that is written in regards to the days of vengeance through all the righteous blood shed being put on them.

Luke 21:22 tells us that the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem fulfills the days of vengeance in regards to ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN.

Matthew 23:35-36 tells us that the all the righteous blood shed would be would come upon 1st century Jerusalem.

I interpret revelation through the Gospels and Epistles. I do not interpret revelation on its own as separate or new prophecy. That would be poor exegesis, as revelation is highly symbolic and apocalyptic.

Can you provide non symbolic/apocalyptic literature that clearly spells out what else, if not 1st century Jerusalem, fulfills the days of vengeance and shedding of all the righteous blood?

 

[iamlamad]

No. I put the "weight" on Jesus' clear and non symbolic words that 1st century Jerusalem's destruction would fulfill all that is written in regards to the days of vengeance through all the righteous blood shed being put on them.

Luke 21:22 tells us that the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem fulfills the days of vengeance in regards to ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN.

Matthew 23:35-36 tells us that the all the righteous blood shed would be would come upon 1st century Jerusalem.

I interpret revelation through the Gospels and Epistles. I do not interpret revelation on its own as separate or new prophecy. That would be poor exegesis, as revelation is highly symbolic and apocalyptic.

Can you provide non symbolic/apocalyptic literature that clearly spells out what else, if not 1st century Jerusalem, fulfills the days of vengeance and shedding of all the righteous blood?

Perhaps you just did not understand what Jesus said.

First off, it is silly to form doctrine from one isolated verse on a subject when there are many others. We should form doctrine on ALL end times scriptures - considering every one.

Luke is not the only scripture involving Jesus words on the end in what is today called "the Olivet Discourse." And where Jesus has a few verses on the 70th week, Revelation has many chapters on the same period of time. Wisdom then decrees that we should form doctrines from the most complete passage on a subject, not from a shorter one.

I am sure you understand that Jesus was the real Author of Revelation: He just used John to write.

Luke 21:22 tells us that the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem fulfills the days of vengeance in regards to ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN.
Le't see:

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

First off, this is only Luke's version of what Jesus said. What about what Matthew and Mark wrote? What are these "days of vengeance?" Can we find another scripture using this word?

2 Thes. 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

WHEN will He be revealed? WHEN will "every eye see Him? My friend, this is FUTURE. Every eye did not see God or Jesus in 70 AD. That kind of thinking is myth. This verse fits perfectly with Christ's coming as shown in Rev. 19. Is there another word for "vengeance?" Or another word that goes with vengeance? Yes, it is WRATH. Revelation shows us that the entire future 70th week comes with wrath. That will be God showing vengeance on a world that refuses to repent, but starting in Israel.

In verse 23 in Luke, it speaks of the trouble of those with child. In Mathew that ties in with the days of great tribulation. You can try your best to make those days fit 70 AD, but you will fail just like the many before you that have tried. If we look in Revelation, the days of GT will be in chapter 15 and 16. What comes before those days in Revelation? The revealing of the man of sin must come first. And before that the 7 trumpet judgments.

No one has every been able to pinpoint a time in the past where or when these trumpet judgments took place. And why is that? It is very difficult to find a future event in history.

Your error is in thinking is that verse 22 is speaking to first century Jerusalem. Sorry, but I don't buy that theory. Yes, that is when the temple was destroyed, but that was CERTAINLY NOT the "end of the age."

Your second error then is not understanding "the end of the age." It will end with the future 70th week of Daniel. Don't even think of saying that the first half of the week was Jesus' ministry. That theory too is myth. Revelation shows us that the entire week is future.

Matthew 23:35-36 tells us that the all the righteous blood shed would be would come upon 1st century Jerusalem.
This is another error on your part. It really does NOT say that. You THINK it says that.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. This would SEEM to say what you believe. I don't think it does. Notice this verse:

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

When will people be saying "Blessed is He that cometh..." They said it in chapter 21 as He entered Jerusalem IN SIGHT of them, riding the colt.

I posit that they will not say this until they SEE Him coming as shown in Revelation 19. They will SEE HIM as He descends to rescue them.

On the other hand, NO ONE was saying this when Titus was destroying the city!

So what generation was Jesus REALLY speaking to: of course to all generations who read these words, but in particular the generation that SEES HIS COMING. My friend, that is future, not history.

I do not interpret revelation on its own as separate or new prophecy. That would be poor exegesis, as revelation is highly symbolic and apocalyptic.
Yet, a professor at a bible college, said, as I heard Him say,

"It is wisdom to establish doctrine from the MOST COMPLETE passage of scripture on any given subject, and fill in missing pieces from the lessor scriptural passages."

For the end times, it goes without saying that Revelation is the most complete passage on the end times. This book has like 16 chapters on the future 70th week. No other passage comes close.

If you REALLY want to learn all the bible has to say on the 70th week, will you take the two or three verses Jesus spoke of, or will you use the 16 chapters in Revelation?

God did not give us Revelation to ignore. It is by its very title a REVELATION. It is therefore up to every reader to understand it. I will give you a leg up, so to speak.

The 70th week in Revelation is marked by 7's: the 7th seal starts the week, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint and the 7th vial ends it.

The timing of the first seal is given away in chapter 5: the time of Jesus ascended and sending the Holy Spirit down.

The 5th seal is for the martyrs of the church age - so history.
The 6th seal starts the Day of the Lord and His wrath, so it is future.