Rapture will happen..does it matter when?

[W2L]

I don't see where the confusion exists. When Christ appears he will raise the dead and judgment will take place. We will appear with him and judge the nations. Not really sure why this is confusing for you. That verse says nothing of a rapture.

It suggests that we have already died and been raised

 

[vinsight4u]

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[John Davidson]

It suggests that we have already died and been raised

Are you suggesting that there won't be a physical resurrection on the last day?

 

[W2L]

Are you suggesting that there won't be a physical resurrection on the last day?

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm merely pointing out that Colossians 3 says we are already raised. Lets compare that scripture to 1 Corinthians 15:44.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[John Davidson]

The last day I see as meaning the last day to gain salvation.

The last day is the final day of this age.

John 6:39
John 6:40
John 6:44
John 6:54
John 11:24
John 12:48

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Most people get their social security numbers as babies or very young children, which means they don't make a choice in the matter. You don't have one, or are you not an American? It's not required for buying or selling. I think it will be something like a credit/banking card on or in the skin that people will be required to have when they start working and paying for things. So faithful Christians will bravely walk away from jobs and homes... And the children who don't know Jesus may resent their parents for not getting the mark and turn them in to be killed. (Matthew 10:21).

Sure , like other newborns I was given my SSN after I was born. Though I think it was an application thing way back then and now automatically assigned like today.
That meant my/our parents complied with the law.
And it is a part of being able to buy or sell. We can't legally obtain employment without a SSN so as to later obtain our W-2. We can't open a bank account or get credit cards without one.

 

[John Davidson]

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm merely pointing out that Colossians 3 says we are already raised. Lets compare that scripture to 1 Corinthians 15:44.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Yes, spiritually we have been raised but the physical resurrection occurs on the last day.

 

[W2L]

The last day is the final day of this age.

John 6:39
John 6:40
John 6:44
John 6:54
John 11:24
John 12:48

Perhaps we are in that day already. I don't really know, but the language of Colossians 3 is intriguing.

Colossians 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

2 Corinthians 6:2 For He says:
“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.”[a]
Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[W2L]

Yes, spiritually we have been raised but the physical resurrection occurs on the last day.

Are we sure?

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[John Davidson]

Perhaps we are in that day already.

No. Has Christ returned to raise the dead and judge the nations? Then it isn't the last day yet.

 

[John Davidson]

Are we sure?

Yes, the scriptures say so. Maybe you should actually read the verses I posted.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[W2L]

Our life is now hidden with Christ in God, Colossians 3.

Jesus comes in the clouds. Perhaps it can be said that clouds hide the heavens above? I don't know, just a thought

 

[W2L]

Yes, the scriptures say so. Maybe you should actually read the verses I posted.

No need to be contentious, I'm merely discussing, I'm not asserting anything.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[John Davidson]

The last day/as to just/ is only for the resurrection of the just time.
The wicked will after that go through the vials of God's wrath.

in the resurrection
not in all people being resurrected
but only those that gain eternal life from the grave

The last day lasts a long long time, but there is only one time of
raising the righteous that will get salvation.

No. The last day is a universal resurrection and judgment. Just as Jesus describes in Matthew 25:31-46.

 

[John Davidson]

No need to be contentious, I'm merely discussing, I'm not asserting anything.

I'm not being contentious, but the verses I posted are pretty clear.

 

[Revealing Times]

This thread is to discuss what is important. does it truly matter when the rapture happens? Or does it matter more what we do until then seeing as how the bible states that we will never know the time, day, month, or year?

THIS IS ONLY FOR DEBATE NOT CONVERTING.

If it gets to wild and people start hating on others beliefs then I will ask that he thread be taken down.

The object is to have a good healthy discussion with the KINGDOM and not single denominations.

I like to style myself as the Pentecostal Lutheran, I was raised Lutheran but now attend and am a leader at a Church of God (TN) church

Two instances surface. The Post Tribbers say you need to be ready to be tested thus you should face the truth, my reply is if you aren't always ready to die for our Lord something is wrong with your relationship with Jesus.

The Pre-Tribbers would offer this (I am in this crowd) if there is one person who tarries, or thousands, or millions, it matters not, but if there is one person who puts off his decision to come to the Lord because someone told him, "Hey, you will have to go through the Tribulation, no matter what", and then they decide, well, since I have to go through the tribulation no matter what, I might as well live it up a while longer, and this person doesn't get saved and misses the Rapture, he will have to go through great troubles, probably will be faced with a life and death situation, all because he was misled.

So to me it matters, because God wants us to know the truth, so we can preach the truth. JMHO.

 

[Luke17:37]

Sure , like other newborns I was given my SSN after I was born. Though I think it was an application thing way back then and now automatically assigned like today.
That meant my/our parents complied with the law.
And it is a part of being able to buy or sell. We can't legally obtain employment without a SSN so as to later obtain our W-2. We can't open a bank account or get credit cards without one.

Taking the mark is personal decision that puts a person in the global marketplace and in the path of God's wrath (Revelation 14:9-11). If it will be given to newborns, that's not a choice. God presents it as a choice to reject if we want to live spiritually. Surely you aren't saying you and I have had the mark of the beast since we were babies. The SSN is required for a normal job today but the mark will be required for a normal job (or buying and selling at a store) eventually. The penalty for refusal will be death if/when they catch the person. Christians are going to need great strength to put away their jobs, possessions, families, and their own lives when they are demanded of them. With a death penalty for refusal, each person has his own choice. Take the mark and save your physical life, or reject the mark and most likely be executed (though the Scripture is clear that some elect will survive the Tribulation)... But those who endure (in the faith) to the end will be saved.