Rapture Before Wrath

[iamlamad]

.........already contradicting yourself, before you responded to my post and said we're already immortal, now here you say we're changed from mortal to immortal......certainly wouldn't need to be changed to something I already am..................

You are confusing your spirit (the real YOU) and soul (both immortal) with your flesh and blood body, which is definitely NOT immortal. It is your body that must be changed. Flesh and blood (body) cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

Yet Christ says He returns after the tribulation....Christians have always gone and continue to go through tribulation to this very day

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."


Mark 13:37 "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

God's wrath and the tribulation are two totally different things

• Romans 5:3 (KJV)
  
  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
• Romans 12:12 (KJV)
  
  Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
• Ephesians 3:13 (KJV)
  
  Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
• Judges 10:14 (KJV)
  
  Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.
• Mark 13:24 (KJV)
  
  But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
• 1 Thessalonians 3:4 (KJV)
  
  For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
• 2 Thessalonians 1:4 (KJV)
  
  So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
• 2 Thessalonians 1:6 (KJV)
  
  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
• Matthew 13:21 (KJV)
  
  Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
• Matthew 24:21 (KJV)
  
  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
• John 16:33 (KJV)
  
  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
• Acts 14:22 (KJV)
  
  Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
• Romans 2:9 (KJV)
  
  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
• Romans 8:35 (KJV)
  
  Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
• 2 Corinthians 1:4 (KJV)
  
  Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
• 2 Corinthians 7:4 (KJV)
  
  Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
• Revelation 2:9 (KJV)
  
  I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
• Revelation 2:22 (KJV)
  
  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
• Deuteronomy 4:30 (KJV)
  
  When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
• 1 Samuel 10:19 (KJV)
  
  And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands.
• 1 Samuel 26:24 (KJV)
  
  And, behold, as thy life was much set by this day in mine eyes, so let my life be much set by in the eyes of the Lord, and let him deliver me out of all tribulation.
• Matthew 24:29 (KJV)
  
  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
• Revelation 1:9 (KJV)
  
  I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
• Revelation 7:14 (KJV)
  
  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
• Revelation 2:10 (KJV)
  
  Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Now,what part of tribulation don't you all understand,and where exactly does it say we escape?

Don't act as if you don't know: you know very well what Luke 21:36 says.

LAMAD

 

[Daniel1136]

There is a difference between the trials and tribulation of this life and the Lord's directed wrath upon you because you refuse to believe the truth about Him when He comes to do this [Psalms 2; Revelation 6:12-17]

Not unlike His judgment of the flood [Matthew 24:36-39]

He is coming to judge a lost world of unbelief the same

Make certain that you are ready before

Luke
21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man

 

[iamlamad]

It is strange how people are focused and determined to fight against the Lord's promise [Revelation 3:10] .... even to the extent that these even call the Lord a liar

I always think about Genesis 3 when I hear the accusation if you know what I mean

Sounds like they might be on the other side over the biggest issue debated .... why would anyone even think to do this thing?

There is something very suspect going on with those who seek the Lord's unprecedented tribulation .... some force has a grip on them

The Lord's coming hour of trial and judgment is designed to punish a world of unbelief and not to "purify" a few believers as they say they are

The argument is all one sided

They will tell you that true believers who look for the Lord's call for them before the tribulation are ignorant and will give up their salvation if the tribulation starts and there is no call .... this is absurd ... no true believer will ever give up on the Lord no matter what

Those professing only would be more likely to abandon their pretended faith

Hopefully the ones who deny the Lord's promise will take His advice and repent after they find them selves in the tribulation [Revelation 3:15-19]

However, the setting of the period will not be conducive for it .... the confusion, vexation, up upheaval, and deceptions will abound .... and Revelation's account does not reflect much evidence for it .... billions will be killed and lost forever

Will some turn in the tribulation? .... yes .... and particularly some of Israel and revelation tells

Of course most against the Lord's "harpazo" action are of replacement theology so they think they are Israel ... these two ideas go hand in hand and are both false

They say the Lord will protect them in the tribulation, however Revelation's account tells the opposite .... protection is not loosing one's head

144000 of the children of Israel will be protected for their mission, but there is no other account of protection during during the period

And they tell that the tribulation is not the Lord's doing at all, yet the scriptural account plainly tells where the judgments are coming from

Even to the extent that the tribulation is caused by Satan, but who will only be the Lord's dupe in the process and cast to the earth to experience his own defeat

So the story of no "rapture" and to seek the tribulation for you purification is very suspect of something going on behind the curtain [by the way a true believer needs no judgment for further "purification" .... this idea is not the gospel of Jesus Christ]

PAY ATTENTION! This post is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

LAMAD

 

[Manasseh_]

You are confusing your spirit (the real YOU) and soul (both immortal) with your flesh and blood body, which is definitely NOT immortal. It is your body that must be changed. Flesh and blood (body) cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

LAMAD

LoL, the "real me" ???? so now I have an immortal spirit and an immortal soul, just how many of (me) are there???with your premise there's going to be 3 of me.......sounds like you're making this stuff up as you go...........the real me according to scripture was created a mortal being subject to death, then the real me at one point will be resurrected to immortality through Christ...........your false premise certainly isn't found as a sound doctrine anywhere in scripture...........

 

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[Bible2]

Daniel1136 said in post 404:

Luke
21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man

Note that Luke 21:36 doesn't require a pre-tribulation rapture. For some in the church will escape all of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 by dying before it begins (Isaiah 57:1). And others in the church will escape all of it by being physically protected on the earth during it (Revelation 12:14-16, Psalms 91). Those who will escape it by dying before it begins will stand before the Lord in heaven (Philippians 1:21,23; 2 Corinthians 5:8). And those who will escape it by being miraculously protected on the earth during it will stand before the Lord in the sky at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17), which won't occur until immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

 

[MyLordMySavior]

Rapture before the wrath - NOPE.
Will Christians have to live and die during the Tribulation - YUP.
Are the Christians of the Western world any more special than Christians in every other part of the world who are dying today or have died by the millions in the past - NOPE.
Is the Rapture, at least until after the return of Jesus Christ, going to happen - NOPE.

We aren't anymore special, but... the reason God would spare us is because no Christian in the world has ever faced the wrath and judgement that we would have to face if the Rapture didn't happen. It will be so horrible, so awful, beyond what the world has ever gone through(including The Flood). That is why God will spare us. Not because we are special, but because He is merciful.

 

[Ronald]

In conclusion , the believers that are' in Christ' will not have to endure the wrath of the tribulation, but will be caught up to meet The Lord in the air and forever will be with The Lord . Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thes. 4:17-18.

Yes, a pre-wrath rapture is my take _ at the last trumpet (which #7 in the series). But that does not mean we won't have to endure the first six trumpets. These are the last trumpets sounding the alarm, testing those who have faith and giving the final warnings to the rest.

"Blow a trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm in my holy mountain:
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble:
For the day of the Lord IS COMING,
For it is at hand: A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.
A people come great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them.
Even for many successive generations.
A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them ...
The earth quakes before them, the heavens tremble;
The sun and moon grow dark, and the stars diminish their brightness."
Joel 2:1-3, 10

 

[MyLordMySavior]

Source about:
THE ANTICHRIST.

How satan, as antichrist claiming to be the True Christ, is enabled to deceive and cause the various "belief systems" of the world into unknowingly worshiping him as the True Messiah

Atheists and agnostics will believe him to be the true Christ when the antichrist shows up in person performing miracles and stating that he is the Savior, also offering forgiveness if they believe upon and worship him.

Moslems will follow, when the antichrist states that he is the one they call "The One" who has come to lead them to the promised land.

Satan worshipers and the occultists will convert, when antichrist comes stating that he offers salvation to them if they repent and worship him as the True Messiah.

Pagans as well as those who worship many different gods (sun gods, earth gods, wind gods, water gods, warrior gods...), will forsake their deities and worship antichrist as their messiah, when he comes showing wonders and making lightning come down from heaven on command; satan will have this power, allowed to him by God (Rev 13:13+14).

Religious Jews who are still waiting for the First Advent of the Messiah, will flock to antichrist, as he shows himself off to be the True Messiah written of in the Torah. The first time the True Messiah came to them, they not only rejected Him, they murdered Him, and now when the fake comes they will accept and worship him - sad, is it not?

All Christian denominations and the Christian Rapturists will believe the first supernatural being that comes to the earth claiming to be Jesus Christ. And for the Rapturist who had been deceived with the false PRE-TRIB Rapture doctrine, he will be led away with the promise of a Rapture. They will ALL unknowingly worship satan as an instead-of Christ, the antichrist.
Not because they are evil, but because they were not warned by the false teachers/preachers whom are nothing more than the wolves in sheep's clothing.
These are perhaps the saddest of all the deceived; for they had a fair chance, they had the truth set before them by God in their own Bibles. They just preferred the "feel good" doctrines of men over the Word of our Lord. They have degenerated into a pitiful state of being a hypocrite and a 'finger pointer.' Jesus foresaw this and He spoke of it: "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." (Matt 23:24).
They worry more about whether brother so-and-so was at the tavern having a drink, or if he's a divorcee or not, rather than the fact that they are spiraling into worshiping satan as the imposter to the Lord they love; sad, is it not?
If you are still following us here, then I say to you, "Pretty scary, huh?" And if we have left anyone out above, don't worry, satan will be sure to give them every opportunity to participate in the great apostasy. This is not some new revelation, or some off-the-wall new prophecy, this has been written in your Bibles all along - but the false teachers/preachers have hid it from you. What are you going to do? Lay down and die - eternally, or study your Heavenly Father's Written Word whereby you can overcome! The choice is yours, and you do have to make a choice or satan will make it for you.
Satan was not always evil though, he was once good, believe it or not, he was a "Cherubim that covereth" (Ezek 28:14), which is a protecting Angel that guarded the Mercy Seat; a seat that Christ Himself sits upon. Satan was at the first a good angel: "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." (Ezek 28:15). But his first transgression was vanity, he didn't want to guard the Mercy Seat, he wanted to sit on it, as Christ, as God, and still seeks that today. And for a five month period in the end times, he will accomplish just that as the antichrist:

2nd Thess 2:1-4
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (KJV)
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Satan is "that man of sin" and"the son of perdition". Some will try to tell you that Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ, is the son of perdition. This is untrue and to document: In verse 4 above we see: "the son of perdition" who: "opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." Judas Iscariot never did that, Judas never said that he was God. In fact after he realized that they were really going to crucify Jesus, and that Jesus was going to let it happen; Judas threw the money that he was paid to betray Jesus down onto the temple floor.

You just terrified me. I've read the Bible. I LOVE God. I try my best, even though I suck at it and fail at being a Christian, I still keep trying over and over again.

I've read the Revelations multiple times, and it's so incredibly confusing, I don't know what to believe. I know of things that will happen, I just don't understand the when and who parts. I hope that God will be merciful and take us away before He passes his Judgement on to the world, but so many Christians argue with each other over this, it scares me. My biggest fear is believing something not ttrue that is why I believe strictly what the Bible says...because it's truly the only words I can trust with my heart & soul.

Now, I hope for a pre-trib rapture more than the post-trib. Both uses scripture to support their claim, but obviously someone is misconstruing it, but I don't know who! It's so incredibly confusing, and I'm not Bible Scholar! I'll never know everything, but gosh do I try to keep learning.

And the fact that you say, that those who believe pre-trib will go to worship Satan!!!! WHAT!!!!!! No!!!! I don't believe this because if they will be deceived, who knows what will happen to me!!! Why would God allow this to happen to the people He loves! Where's the mercy? God saved Noah and His family from the Flood, why wouldn't He save us from the awful judgement the world deserves.

I'm not smart enough to understand revelations. I honestly don't think I can believe anyone unless God Himself told me in simple stupid terms. But with how sucky and awful the world is today, it makes me feel like the End is near. I'm running out of time to understand if it really is that easy to deceive the world :'(.

 

[BABerean2]

We aren't anymore special, but... the reason God would spare us is because no Christian in the world has ever faced the wrath and judgement that we would have to face if the Rapture didn't happen. It will be so horrible, so awful, beyond what the world has ever gone through(including The Flood). That is why God will spare us. Not because we are special, but because He is merciful.

According to Rev. 12:12 the tribulation is Satan's wrath. God's wrath will be poured out on unbelievers after we are gathered at the 7th trumpet. Based on Romans 5:9 and 1st Thess. 5:9 Christ took our part of God's wrath, at the cross.

2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[MyLordMySavior]

According to Rev. 12:12 the tribulation is Satan's wrath. God's wrath will be poured out on unbelievers after we are gathered at the 7th trumpet. Based on Romans 5:9 and 1st Thess. 5:9 Christ took our part of God's wrath, at the cross.

2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Soo.. does that mean you believe we will be here for satan's wrath just not Gods?

 

[BABerean2]

Soo.. does that mean you believe we will be here for satan's wrath just not Gods?

Since Stephen was stoned to death, our Brothers and Sisters have been tortured and killed for their faith. It is happening now to our Brothers and Sisters in the Middle East. The persecution will intensify during the 3 1/2 year Great Tribulation. We know there are Christians here during the trib. If some want to call them "tribulation saints" that is OK, however they have the witness of Christ and are willing to die for their faith in Christ. I believe we would have to call them Christians if we are being honest with the text. When these believers are beheaded during the trib. is it the wrath of God or Satan? The answer is obvious in my humble opinion. God is not beheading these believers. It would be like saying, God beheaded John the Baptist.

If we look at the interpretation used at the time of the Revolutionary War, it was understood that we would be raptured/resurrected at Christ's Second Coming. After we are gathered to Christ, then the wrath of God will be poured out on the unbelievers.

Will members of the Church be here for Satan's wrath? Yes. Many will be killed for their faith.

Will members of the Church be here for God's wrath?. Yes, but not in our flesh bodies. God's wrath will be poured out on unbelievers during the last day of the trib, after we are raptured/resurrected.

Let me repeat, the 3 1/2 year trib is not God's wrath. According to Rev. 12:12 it is Satan's wrath.

 

[n2thelight]

Don't act as if you don't know: you know very well what Luke 21:36 says.

LAMAD

That I do


Luke 21:35 "For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth."

The "snare" is a trap.

Romans 11:9 "And David saith, "Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompense unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway."

If you were expecting a trap right in front of you, you would make sure you would not step into it, but if you did not know that snare and trap was there, you would walk right into it with eyes wide open. This coming of Satan and the deceptions that come over the earth will be very unexpected. When you hears rumors, and things happening that are drawing you to Satan, that he is here, why would you put yourself into that temptation. Those that don't know the truth of these end times will actually think that Satan is Jesus and will run to him. They will be proud to say that they are Satan's harlot, though they will not word it that way. And the things that they do and say for Satan, they will be thinking all the time that they are doing it for Christ. Through their own traditions, they will set their own traps and fall right into the pit they prepared. They just did not study enough to know the difference between Jesus and Satan, yet they call themselves Christians. The trials and temptations are coming, and Jesus told you in the eighth verse; "Take heed that no man deceive you by any means." They will be coming and telling you that Christ sent them. In their minds Satan is Christ. The Holy Spirit will open your eyes as to which are from God, and those that are from Satan.

Luke 21:36 "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

We are to ask for wisdom to our Heavenly Father's Word, and His guidance daily so we don't fall into those traps and snares of these end times. So lets go into the Greek text to get a better view of what this verse is saying. Why do you stand before the Son of man? You stand there for judgment. Pray that you will have the wisdom to stand against Satan, so by your words and actions you will stand there undefiled and condemned by our Lord. Pray that you will be the one to hear Him say, Well done My good and faithful servant, enter into the gates of heaven. Many will stand before Christ in shame, and Jesus will say to them, "Get away from me, I know you not."

The subject for this entire hour of temptation is being deceived. Do you consider it a blessing when you are not deceived, or does it make any difference to you? the purpose of this chapter is to keep you from being deceived by those that come in Christ's name peddling their false doctrines and traditions that go against God's Word. So if Satan says that he is Christ, and your pastor and denomination tell you that the man in Jerusalem is Christ, and Satan does and says the things you expect Christ to do, will you follow your pastor and bow to that fake? That is the test and trial for this time. Can you be tempted when your family, your church, your friends tell you Satan is Christ, and to top it all off, when you see supernatural acts happening right before your eyes? Jesus is telling you to expect it.

II Thessalonians 2:1, 2 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

Paul is telling you to not be taken in by any means, and they will use every trick in the book to get you to join them.

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,"

Did you get that? Before Jesus comes, there will be a massive falling away , and Satan, who is the man of sin, also called the son of perdition, will actually sit in the his temple in Jerusalem, and the entire world will believe it.

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

It is Satan who opposeth and exalteth himself above our Heavenly Father. Satan will demand that you worship him, and he will sit in his temple in Jerusalem and do and say the things to try and make you believe it. He will try to appear as you think Jesus ought to appear. I hope that in that day when Satan arrives, instead of being tempted in worshipping him, that you would find him the abomination that he is. That is why you will have your gospel armor on and in place to make a stand and be ready for those spiritual battles.

Some people are so biblically illiterate that they will try to tell you that this 36th verse is all about the rapture theory. But it doesn't say that, but the Greek is very specific, "That you stand before Christ at the judgment." You stand before Christ, after these things have come to pass. Then you will be judged by what you did while Satan was in the temple pretending to be God. Did you go to Satan and bow to him, or did you stand your ground? Be prepared to speak up when their lies and deceit are spoken to you. So now stop and think for a moment, why do you put your gospel armor on in the first place? You put on the gospel armor for the sole purpose of making a stand and defending yourself from those fiery darts of Satan's lies. Take the time an study Ephesians 6:10-20. Jesus is telling you to ask Father, pray for the wisdom so that you can be accountable on that day of Jesus' return.

luke


Christians over in the Middle east,have they escaped?How about China?


Why do you think you will ?Heck even the apostles were persecuted,yet you think you're special,WoW!!!!!

 

[Bro in Christ]

According to Rev. 12:12 the tribulation is Satan's wrath. God's wrath will be poured out on unbelievers after we are gathered at the 7th trumpet. Based on Romans 5:9 and 1st Thess. 5:9 Christ took our part of God's wrath, at the cross.

2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Yet how do you deal with rev 6:16 the wrath of the lamb

 

[n2thelight]

Yet how do you deal with rev 6:16 the wrath of the lamb

Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

This is the 2nd coming

 

[Bro in Christ]

Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

This is the 2nd coming

This is the beginning of 7 years of judgement . The first 1260 days or 3 1/2 years

 

[Danoh]

BAB, unlike Acts Two [Classic, or Traditional] Dispensationalism, your at least consistent in your view that the assembly described in Acts Two is Pre-Wrath Rapture.

But, as I hold to an Acts 9, or Mid-Acts Dispensationalism [the assembly which is His Body, actually began with its first Body member, Paul [1 Tim. 1:11:16; Rom. 9:22-24] after Israel's fall [Acts 7:51-54; Matt. 12:30-32; Heb. 2:3-5], my own understanding is that the Rapture is Pre-Trib [Rom. 5 IN CONTRAST TO Dan. 9].

I write that for those who might receive it in the spirit of Acts 17:11, a passage which my adhering to the spirit of for sometime before I'd ever even heard of the Mid-Acts Perspective, challenged me to actually here Mid-Acts out "with all readiness of mind," for Mid-Acts had seemed so left field to me when I first encountered it.

Again, I write this for those with ears to hear...

 

[BABerean2]

Yet how do you deal with rev 6:16 the wrath of the lamb

Revelation Chapter 6 is a preview or summary of thing that come later.

When Christ returns there is a great earthquake when he sets foot on the Mount of Olives. The rich and mighty hide themselves from the wrath of Christ at His Second Coming when He returns in flaming fire and pours out his wrath on the ungodly.

2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.