Question about the flood

[DogmaHunter]

The global flood took place at the time Pangaea was destroyed.

Some 200 million years ago?
So 199,9 million years before humans existed?

The earth was covered with ice or glaciers because the water was rapidly frozen due to the cold conditions.

Uhu, uhu.

 

[Jimmy D]

The global flood took place at the time Pangaea was destroyed. The earth was covered with ice or glaciers because the water was rapidly frozen due to the cold conditions.

Seems a strange position for you to take, you're basically saying that the genesis account isn't accurate?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Seems a strange position for you to take, you're basically saying that the genesis account isn't accurate?

The Genesis account is accurate beyond our ability to understand. The issue is that science is make advances and that is forcing us into an advanced understanding of the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So 199,9 million years before humans existed?

Yes. Pangaea was a very different climate suitable for reptiles and dinosaurs. The only survivors today are alligators and turtles that requires a very humid environment. Primates at the time were very small. Right before Pangaea was destroyed we see the dinosaurs are beginning to devour each other and this ended up in their destruction.

 

[Jimmy D]

Yes. Pangaea was a very different climate suitable for reptiles and dinosaurs. The only survivors today are alligators and turtles that requires a very humid environment. Primates at the time were very small. Right before Pangaea was destroyed we see the dinosaurs are beginning to devour each other and this ended up in their destruction.

The Genesis account is accurate beyond our ability to understand. The issue is that science is make advances and that is forcing us into an advanced understanding of the Bible.

I'm no theologist but the point of the flood is to punish mankind is it not? Having it happen 199,9 million years before mankind existed is ridiculous.

It also seems that you are attributing the flood to natural causes in a futile attempt to make it seem credible, which again, is not consistant with Genesis.

I do agree with you that the Genesis account is beyond your ability to understand though, especially as these "explanations" you present render the whole point of the story moot.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The Genesis account is accurate beyond our ability to understand. The issue is that science is make advances and that is forcing us into an advanced understanding of the Bible.

Beyond our ability to understand? Why claim anything at all? You can't claim to know what it is about at all if it is beyond our ability to understand. How about this: Genesis is inaccurate beyond our ability to understand.

Science isn't forcing you to do anything. Science shows us reality and demonstrates its accuracy by replicating its results over and over and over and ... You are forcing yourself to jump through hermeneutic hoops to justify calling it accurate.

Accurate beyond understanding? Just admit you believe it is accurate but can't justify that belief.

 

[Aman777]

Some people translate this to say the flood covered the high hills. The current theory is the flood took place when the Persian Gulf was formed when the The Strait of Hormuz failed to hold back the water. Eden is now under water. Of course new information and a new theory could come along at any time. This theory is what the google satellite images tends to support.

Here is what happened Scripturally:

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

As anyone can see, the flood waters prevailed or covered all the high hills and then the waters prevailed to a depth of 15 cubits (22.5 feet) and the mountains were covered. IOW, the highest mountain of Adam's Flat Earth was only 22.5 feet tall. That is God's Truth as actually written. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

How about this: Genesis is inaccurate beyond our ability to understand.

How bout this? Genesis is unknowable except to the Christians of the last days of this Earth. Dan 12:4 Only they have the "increased knowledge" necessary to understand Genesis chapter One. Amen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is what happened Scripturally:

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

As anyone can see, the flood waters prevailed or covered all the high hills and then the waters prevailed to a depth of 15 cubits (22.5 feet) and the mountains were covered. IOW, the highest mountain of Adam's Flat Earth was only 22.5 feet tall. That is God's Truth as actually written. God Bless you

Oh my!! This is why you are so confused. You can't understand Jacobean English. You really should be using a more modern translation. What that verse says is that the waters "prevailed" they kept rising until the tops of the highest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water. You may not know what a cubit is either. Fifteen cubits would not even make for a high hill, in fact it would be hard to call it a "hill".

Here is a more modern translation for you:

"19 The flood water surged even higher throughout the earth, until all the highest mountains under the sky were covered. 20 The flood waters rose 15 cubits above the mountains."

 

[Subduction Zone]

How bout this? Genesis is unknowable except to the Christians of the last days of this Earth. Dan 12:4 Only they have the "increased knowledge" necessary to understand Genesis chapter One. Amen?

Nope, Tinker was correct. Genesis is clearly beyond your understanding. Perhaps that is why you have to make up a fanciful story that no other Christian here accepts.

 

[joshua 1 9]

As anyone can see, the flood waters prevailed or covered all the high hills and then the waters prevailed to a depth of 15 cubits (22.5 feet) and the mountains were covered.

In Biblehub you can look this passage up in the Hebrew. The same word: he-hā-rîm. is used for both high hills and mountains. Moses repeats himself, he does not add information. I have spent many years looking for scientific evidence to show that this passage in the Bible is 100% accurate and true. With science we have to go where the evidence takes us. Right now the evidence indicates that Eden in the Bible is under the Persian gulf. In an area that is known for Pearls. (the acquisition of wisdom is above that of pearls.) I first began to study ancient history in high school around 50 years ago. Breasted is the author that coined the phrase futile crescent.

 

[joshua 1 9]

How bout this? Genesis is unknowable except to the Christians of the last days of this Earth. Dan 12:4 Only they have the "increased knowledge" necessary to understand Genesis chapter One. Amen?

We have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. The unsaved and the unredeemed have a reprobate mind. We are told that Jesus will return for a Church that is without spot, blemish or wrinkle. So He is doing a work to perfect the Bride. The mostly refers to the garment or the flesh.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Beyond our ability to understand? Why claim anything at all?

We learn as we grow. When we are children we think as a child. Then we grow up and become adults. We gain better understanding over time. The Bible is going to be around for another 1,000 years. So we can continue to learn and grow in wisdom, knowledge and understanding. When we get to heaven we can talk to the people who wrote the Bible. Then we will have perfect understanding. Now Paul tells us that we see dimly as a reflection in a mirror. A mirror is like a picture. Like a picture of where you may travel to. Then when you actually go there you get all the sights and sounds and so very much more then you can get from a photo.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Having it happen 199,9 million years before mankind existed is ridiculous.

This is what the Bible refers to as shadow and types. Jung talks about archetypes. Another word we use now a days is allegory. With your background in literature you should understand this better then I do.

The term "archetype" has its origins in ancient Greek. ... The psychologist, Carl Gustav Jung, used the concept of archetype in his theory of the human psyche. He believed that universal, mythic characters—archetypes—reside within the collective unconscious of people the world over.

 

[Aman777]

Oh my!! This is why you are so confused. You can't understand Jacobean English. You really should be using a more modern translation. What that verse says is that the waters "prevailed" they kept rising until the tops of the highest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water. You may not know what a cubit is either. Fifteen cubits would not even make for a high hill, in fact it would be hard to call it a "hill".

Here is a more modern translation for you:

"19 The flood water surged even higher throughout the earth, until all the highest mountains under the sky were covered. 20 The flood waters rose 15 cubits above the mountains."

Go find you an unaltered version of Scripture. I suggest the KJV since it is the most read version, but throw away your version which sounds like you made it up, which you probably did. IOW, I wouldn't put it past you.

 

[Aman777]

Nope, Tinker was correct. Genesis is clearly beyond your understanding. Perhaps that is why you have to make up a fanciful story that no other Christian here accepts.

Then post any view of any born again Christian who has refuted me. How do you know what they accept? Answer: You don't, since my brothers and sisters in Christ accept me as one of them...and unlike you, they can tell the difference. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

In Biblehub you can look this passage up in the Hebrew. The same word: he-hā-rîm. is used for both high hills and mountains. Moses repeats himself, he does not add information. I have spent many years looking for scientific evidence to show that this passage in the Bible is 100% accurate and true. With science we have to go where the evidence takes us. Right now the evidence indicates that Eden in the Bible is under the Persian gulf. In an area that is known for Pearls. (the acquisition of wisdom is above that of pearls.) I first began to study ancient history in high school around 50 years ago. Breasted is the author that coined the phrase futile crescent.

UnScriptural since ll Peter 3:6 shows that Adam's world (Grk-Kosmos) perished, which in Greek means DESTROYED Totally Utterly. It's what the Godless men who dreamed up the ToE, forgot about. God calls them the Scoffers of the last days who are willingly ignorant that Adam's entire Universe/firmament was totally destroyed in the flood. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

We have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. The unsaved and the unredeemed have a reprobate mind. We are told that Jesus will return for a Church that is without spot, blemish or wrinkle. So He is doing a work to perfect the Bride. The mostly refers to the garment or the flesh.

Amen, but He is also pouring out His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) upon ALL flesh including atheists agnostics and phonies. Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh:

God hid His Truth in the discoveries of Science in the last days. Today, Science is discovering what God told us in Genesis, more than 3k years ago. It's proof of God which He told us He would reveal to ALL flesh, including heathens, in the last days before Jesus returns. Amen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Go find you an unaltered version of Scripture. I suggest the KJV since it is the most read version, but throw away your version which sounds like you made it up, which you probably did. IOW, I wouldn't put it past you.

The King James Version is more "altered" than the one that I quoted.

You may not be aware of this, but the Bible was not originally written in English, Jacobean or otherwise.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then post any view of any born again Christian who has refuted me. How do you know what they accept? Answer: You don't, since my brothers and sisters in Christ accept me as one of them...and unlike you, they can tell the difference. Amen?

You don't need a "born again Christian" to refute you. Most of those do not understand the Bible very well at all.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel of biblical understanding does not help your case.