Question about the flood

[Subduction Zone]

Here's a question you guys can tear apart. When people climb up Mount Everest, they need oxygen tanks because the air is too thin at that high of an altitude. If the flood covered the highest mountains on Earth then how did the people and animals in Noah's Ark breathe? And don't say God used magic to keep them alive.

Sadly AV was correct in his rebuttal. The air thins as one rises above sea level. Less air pushing down makes for lower air pressure. The flood would have raised sea level.

The "fishes on top of Mt. Everest" is refuted by the fact that if there was a flood there would only have been one very thin layer of fossils on top of strata. Not tens of thousands of feet of fossiliferous strata. For the flood to have been true not only would we need to see fossils at all levels, they should be in a pattern that can be explained by the flood, and that is not what we see in nature.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There never was a global flood.

The global flood took place at the time Pangaea was destroyed. The earth was covered with ice or glaciers because the water was rapidly frozen due to the cold conditions.

 

[joshua 1 9]

How would you know?

This belief is based on an observation that goes back to Plato: Plato says, "That there are few Men so obstinate in their Atheism, that a pressing Danger will not reduce to an acknowledgment of the Divine Power. . ."

 

[PsychoSarah]

This belief is based on an observation that goes back to Plato: Plato says, "That there are few Men so obstinate in their Atheism, that a pressing Danger will not reduce to an acknowledgment of the Divine Power. . ."

-_- and how would he know? Furthermore, even if every single atheist sought a higher power on their deathbed, it wouldn't be an argument for any higher powers existing. So, it's just a pointless, annoying assertion to make.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The global flood took place at the time Pangaea was destroyed. The earth was covered with ice or glaciers because the water was rapidly frozen due to the cold conditions.

Why make such a claim? We know when Pangaea broke up. That occurred many millions of years before man evolved. Your claim was neither biblical nor scientific

 

[joshua 1 9]

how would he know?

The point is that the quote goes back at least 2500 years. That of course does not make it true; very little in life turns out to be true. Most of science is falsified over time. This is what makes the Bible so amazing is that the Bible continues to be accurate and true from the beginning of recorded history. No science book can make this claim, esp when you consider that textbooks are under constant revision.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The point is that the quote goes back at least 2500 years. That of course does not make it true; very little in life turns out to be true. Most of science is falsified over time. This is what makes the Bible so amazing is that the Bible continues to be accurate and true from the beginning of recorded history. No science book can make this claim, esp when you consider that textbooks are under constant revision.

You do not seem to understand what happens when an idea is falsified. For example Newton's physics have been falsified. They have been found to be not accurate. They were replaced by a more accurate theory.

Parts of the theory of evolution will surely be shown to be wrong. That does not mean that we are not the product of evolution. Evolution itself is a fact just as gravity is a fact. We simply will understand it better and better in the future.

Most falsifications in science do not end up with turning all of science upside down. All that happens is that an idea is tweaked and corrected for the most part.

Meanwhile you believe in myths that were shown to be totally wrong over 200 years ago.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Evolution itself is a fact just as gravity is a fact.

Evolution is also a myth. Both are accurate statements to make depending on your perspective and what your looking at. Darwin's original theory has been revised many times. "Evolution" now refers to a grab bag collection of theory's that are under constant revision. The dictionary definition for the word evolution goes through constant revision. In fact Evolutionists hijacked the dictionary to redefine an existing word. Darwin actually only used the word once. The amazing thing is if you refer to the characteristics of bio-diverse ecosystems, most people do not know what you are talking about. They are required to read that chapter in their Bio book to graduate but most people do not really know all that much about it.

At this point the discussion is pretty much over. Francis Collins defined evolution in a way that creationists and evolutionists can come to a compromise in what they believe. They can find enough common ground so that this is not as much of an issue as it was. We do not have as much of an issue with what we teach our students as we did in the past. Creation and evolution is no longer in the conflict that there were in the past.

As Collins says: "the traditional medial paradigm is now shifting" "the new paradigm is radically different". For example we now know that: "Disease is not random, nor is it unavoidable. Personal choices have a profound effect on your health and they are your responsibility (not just your doctors)."

As Dylan said:
"Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Aman777]

Here's a question you guys can tear apart. When people climb up Mount Everest, they need oxygen tanks because the air is too thin at that high of an altitude. If the flood covered the highest mountains on Earth then how did the people and animals in Noah's Ark breathe? And don't say God used magic to keep them alive.

The flood covered the mountains on Adam's Earth,
Gen 7:20 the world that THEN WAS 2Pe 3:6 The Heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW have never and can never be destroyed by a flood. Our 3rd Rock from the Sun will be burned. 2Pe 3:10 IOW, you have confused Adam's Earth with the present Earth. Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

The flood covered the mountains on Adam's Earth,

Some people translate this to say the flood covered the high hills. The current theory is the flood took place when the Persian Gulf was formed when the The Strait of Hormuz failed to hold back the water. Eden is now under water. Of course new information and a new theory could come along at any time. This theory is what the google satellite images tends to support.

 

[ihnoa]

From post #390, my bold:

Some people translate this to say the flood covered the high hills. The current theory is the flood took place when the Persian Gulf was formed when the The Strait of Hormuz failed to hold back the water. Eden is now under water. Of course new information and a new theory could come along at any time. This theory is what the google satellite images tends to support.

From post #386:

This is what makes the Bible so amazing is that the Bible continues to be accurate and true from the beginning of recorded history. No science book can make this claim, esp when you consider that textbooks are under constant revision.

From post #388:

Darwin's original theory has been revised many times...

So in your opinion, if scientific theories and textbooks are updated in accordance with new evidence, that somehow invalidates them for not being complete from the start? However, this does not apply to studies of ancient texts? Did I get that right?

 

[joshua 1 9]

So in your opinion, if scientific theories and textbooks are updated in accordance with new evidence, that somehow invalidates them for not being complete from the start? However, this does not apply to studies of ancient texts? Did I get that right?

Scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. This method works very well with the Bible. For over 100 years they have used this standard and the Bible continues to stand up to empirical evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Evolution is also a myth. Both are accurate statements to make depending on your perspective and what your looking at. Darwin's original theory has been revised many times. "Evolution" now refers to a grab bag collection of theory's that are under constant revision. The dictionary definition for the word evolution goes through constant revision. In fact Evolutionists hijacked the dictionary to redefine an existing word. Darwin actually only used the word once. The amazing thing is if you refer to the characteristics of bio-diverse ecosystems, most people do not know what you are talking about. They are required to read that chapter in their Bio book to graduate but most people do not really know all that much about it.

Nope, evolution is a fact that is supported by mountains of evidence. Your denial of that fact will not change anything.

At this point the discussion is pretty much over. Francis Collins defined evolution in a way that creationists and evolutionists can come to a compromise in what they believe. They can find enough common ground so that this is not as much of an issue as it was. We do not have as much of an issue with what we teach our students as we did in the past. Creation and evolution is no longer in the conflict that there were in the past.

Collins knows that the Adam and Eve story is a myth, and though he knows a bit he cannot redefine the science by himself.

As Collins says: "the traditional medial paradigm is now shifting" "the new paradigm is radically different". For example we now know that: "Disease is not random, nor is it unavoidable. Personal choices have a profound effect on your health and they are your responsibility (not just your doctors)."

As Dylan said:
"Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'."

It appears that you have no understanding of Collin's beliefs at all. Collins accepts the fact of Darwinian evolution in fact if you want to cite Collins then you should be aware that he said this:

' "Darwin’s framework of variation and natural selection,” but especially Darwin’s picture of a Tree of Life—the common ancestry of all organisms on Earth—“is unquestionably correct” (141). Universal common descent by natural processes is scientifically non‐negotiable. The theory of neo‐Darwinian evolution cannot rationally be doubted by any educated person."

http://www.equip.org/article/no-god-of-the-gaps-allowed-francis-collins-and-theistic-evolution/

I wonder what you think that Collins are?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Nope, evolution is a fact that is supported by mountains of evidence.

I never said that it was not a fact, but evolution is a hodgepodge of theory and some of those theories are fact and some are myth. We have been over this many many times. For example this link deals with 24 of the myths.

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

your denial

You indeed are guilty of what you accuse others of because you deny how much of evolutionary theory is a myth. Or as talk origin likes to claim: "Evolution is a fact and a theory".

the·o·ry
ˈTHirē/
noun

1. a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
   "Darwin's theory of evolution"
   synonyms: hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition;
   opinion, view, belief, contention

If you feel qualified to argue against talk origin go for it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said that it was not a fact, but evolution is a hodgepodge of theory and some of those theories are fact and some are myth. We have been over this many many times. For example this link deals with 24 of the myths.

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

So what? Most of those misunderstandings of evolution are typically mouthed by creationists here.

None of those refute Darwin in any way at all.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It appears that you have no understanding of Collin's beliefs at all.

Again you can only judge others for what you are guilty of. God only allows you to examine yourself and your own heart.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again you can only judge others for what you are guilty of. God only allows you to examine yourself and your own heart.

Wrong again, I have a good idea of what your beliefs are. You clearly do not understand Collins. He accepts the fact of evolution. All you could find is a website and it is fairly obvious that you did not understand that site at all.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So what?

You said evolution is a fact and this is only a half truth because by your own admition now you admit that evolution is a fact and a theory. You do not seem to want to argue against talk origins.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You said evolution is a fact and this is only a half truth because by your own admition now you admit that evolution is a fact and a theory. You do not seem to want to argue against talk origins.

Gravity is a fact and a theory. You do not seem to understand that the theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution just as the theory of gravity explains gravity.

 

[erealmz]

The flood covered the mountains on Adam's Earth,
Gen 7:20 the world that THEN WAS 2Pe 3:6 The Heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW have never and can never be destroyed by a flood. Our 3rd Rock from the Sun will be burned. 2Pe 3:10 IOW, you have confused Adam's Earth with the present Earth. Amen?

Oooooooh. Space age. New age. I like it.