Putin just blew up the irony meter.

[SoldierOfTheKing]

He welcomed Edward Snowden...

 

[Sophrosyne]

I am already missing the Trailer Park diplomacy.

Don't worry you will get a taste of Sesame Street diplomacy from Biden any day soon.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Comrade Putin would welcome you with open arms.

I laughs because nobody should believe this. But sadly they do.

 

[MIDutch]

Another demonstration of what I’ve known for a long time - Russia is freer than the West.

Really? And how do you "know" this?

Have you travelled to all the countries of the West? have you travelled to ANY of the countries of the West that you think are so UNfree?

Can give us examples of instances where political rivals, journalists, average citizens are imprisoned or murdered for merely saying something truthful about the countries leaders, like they sometimes are in Russia?

It really is amazing that some people are so [won't include the word I want to] that they think Russia is freer than say Denmark.

Did you know that you actually have to have an internal passport in Russia? And that travel inside of Russia can be restricted if you don't have one? That would be like not being allowed to travel from Michigan to Ohio if you don't have all the right papers. How "free" is that?

 

[MIDutch]

Don't worry you will get a taste of Sesame Street diplomacy from Biden any day soon.

See, that's the thing, unlike trump, Biden isn't going to delusionally think he knows everything better than the real experts. Biden will surround himself with experienced and knowledgable diplomats who will advise him and help him make the best diplomatic decisions he can. Biden isn't going to be getting his advise off of a morning talk show on Fox, or out of Alex Jones's website, or because he hopes to make multimillion dollar hotel or golf resort deals in the country he's negotiating with.

trump supporters always seem to forget how pathetic trump's (diplomatic) decision making was (2018 trump pulls US out of Iran deal, 2018-2020 Iran restarts their nuclear enrichment program because US pulled out of deal, 2021 trump blames Biden for Iran starting nuclear enrichment program).

 

[Sophrosyne]

See, that's the thing, unlike trump, Biden isn't going to delusionally think he knows everything better than the real experts. Biden will surround himself with experienced and knowledgable diplomats who will advise him and help him make the best diplomatic decisions he can. Biden isn't going to be getting his advise off of a morning talk show on Fox, or out of Alex Jones's website, or because he hopes to make multimillion dollar hotel or golf resort deals in the country he's negotiating with.

trump supporters always seem to forget how pathetic trump's (diplomatic) decision making was (2018 trump pulls US out of Iran deal, 2018-2020 Iran restarts their nuclear enrichment program because US pulled out of deal, 2021 trump blames Biden for Iran starting nuclear enrichment program).

nonsense. Trump brought in industry leaders on operation warp speed that is why we have working vaccines.
Biden is bringing in a bunch of partisan hacks that instead of being experts totally agree with the left and walk lock-step with them so there will be no dissent. We have had a lot of dissent from Trumps administration as he chose people based more upon their expertise than their political bias.

 

[MIDutch]

nonsense. Trump brought in industry leaders on operation warp speed that is why we have working vaccines.

Every country in the world did something similar, but unlike trump most countries didn't have leaders who admitted they downplayed the severity of the virus and worked real hard to make the pandemic as deadly and costly as possible.

Under trump's watch, the US has 4% of the world's population and 20% of it's deaths. Those are not the results of how quickly vaccines became available; that was the result of trump never advocating for what the the medical professionals and scientists said would slow the spread of the disease.

Biden is bringing in a bunch of partisan hacks that instead of being experts totally agree with the left and walk lock-step with them so there will be no dissent. We have had a lot of dissent from Trumps administration as he chose people based more upon their expertise than their political bias.

Stop spreading falsehoods!

Scientists and medical professionals are NOT partisan hacks. Science and medicine are NOT a "left" thing. It's NOT the medical professionals and scientists agreeing with "the left", it's reasonable and informed people agreeing with the medical professionals and the scientists.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Imagine if a president didn't give his children positions in their administration while not creating a blind trust and blurring the lines of the emoluments clause for 4 years for personal gain?
Biden eating sushi and Kobe beef will still be less expensive to the tax payers than trumps personal expenditures

Much better to use them to sell influence to China

 

[Sophrosyne]

Every country in the world did something similar, but unlike trump most countries didn't have leaders who admitted they downplayed the severity of the virus and worked real hard to make the pandemic as deadly and costly as possible.

Under trump's watch, the US has 4% of the world's population and 20% of it's deaths. Those are not the results of how quickly vaccines became available; that was the result of trump never advocating for what the the medical professionals and scientists said would slow the spread of the disease.
Stop spreading falsehoods!

Scientists and medical professionals are NOT partisan hacks. Science and medicine are NOT a "left" thing. It's NOT the medical professionals and scientists agreeing with "the left", it's reasonable and informed people agreeing with the medical professionals and the scientists.

I'm almost sure that China and other non democratic governments LIED about the deaths they had and bet that
even Putin lied about deaths in his country It is very likely china has had 4-5 times the deaths we have had so far.

 

[MIDutch]

It is very likely china has had 4-5 times the deaths we have had so far.

Just an FYI, but China isn't part of the West. Which is what the discussion was about; Russia being freer than the West per SoldierOfTheKing's post #19.

 

[MIDutch]

It is very likely china has had 4-5 times the deaths we have had so far.

And when can we expect your thoroughly researched and documented scientific paper concerning this in the pages of the New England Medical Journal.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Have you travelled to all the countries of the West? have you travelled to ANY of the countries of the West that you think are so UNfree?

Yes, many of them. But I read news reports, that's how I know.

Can give us examples of instances where political rivals, journalists, average citizens are imprisoned or murdered for merely saying something truthful about the countries leaders, like they sometimes are in Russia?

They aren't in Russia.

Did you know that you actually have to have an internal passport in Russia?

Not since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, you don't.

 

[7thKeeper]

They aren't in Russia.

Now this right here is either an amazing example of denial or a pure intentional lie.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Now this right here is either an amazing example of denial or a pure intentional lie.

MIDutch asked me for specific examples; apparently you can’t be bothered to do that...

 

[MIDutch]

Yes, many of them. But I read news reports, that's how I know.

Odd. So you've been to some of these countries which you think are so UNfree, and yet you'd rather believe "news reports"? And what "news reports" were these? Ones from Fox News? Newsmax? Infowars? Breitbart? and did they include things like "no go zones" in Amsterdam and other such garbage?

 

[MIDutch]

Not since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, you don't.

Wrong.

Internal passport of Russia - Wikipedia

 

[MIDutch]

MIDutch asked me for specific examples; apparently you can’t be bothered to do that...

What specific examples have you provided?

Your claim was that countries in the West kill dissidents, but Russia does not:

A list of Russian dissidents Moscow is accused of targeting

The long, terrifying history of Russian dissidents being poisoned abroad

Here are 6 other Russian dissidents who also died mysteriously in recent years

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Wrong.

Internal passport of Russia - Wikipedia

The Russian internal passports are functionally equivalent to the national ID cards that are compulsory across much of the world, including most European countries. Unlike in Soviet times, they are not required for domestic travel.

What specific examples have you provided?

Your claim was that countries in the West kill dissidents, but Russia does not:

A list of Russian dissidents Moscow is accused of targeting

The long, terrifying history of Russian dissidents being poisoned abroad

Here are 6 other Russian dissidents who also died mysteriously in recent years

You claimed that Russia imprisons and kills people for criticizing the government, which I called out as bunk. I'm familiar with the accusations and insinuations of this nature made in the Western press. What I'm talking about is something to substantiate them, especially considering that similar allegations against the Clintons (Clinton Body Count) aren't given the time of day by the MSM.

 

[cow451]

You claimed that Russia imprisons and kills people for criticizing the government, which I called out as bunk. I'm familiar with the accusations and insinuations of this nature made in the Western press. What I'm talking about is something to substantiate them, especially considering that similar allegations against the Clintons (Clinton Body Count) aren't given the time of day by the MSM.

Comrade, President Putin is grateful for your kind words.