Put Away the Flags

[EdwinWillers]

Unlike nationalism found in other countries American nationalism is based on principles and not allegiance to whoever happens to hold political power at the moment. To this Christian it is based on the Christian principles identified in the Declaration of Independence and reaffirmed in the Constitution (limited government, inalieanble rights that come from God ... such as the rights to life and property, freedom of conscience including freedom of religion, equal and impartial justice etc.).

The murderous empire as you call it has done more to lift men out of the poverty and tyranny that have been the norm for mankind than any other nation in history. It has given men a glimpse at what is possible when men are allowed to enjoy the liberty that God would bless us with and sadly America is also showing what happens when men turn away from God and embrace the wisdom of men instead.

They know that and it only angers them all the more, because it makes their job that more difficult.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Your anti-American bias shows through in this post like a diamond in a coal mine.

So the facts of history have an anti-American bias now, I see.

It's clear that you have swallowed all that leftist "America is worse than Nazi Germany" crap that your left-wing hippie pinko teachers taught you all through school, hook, line, sinker, pole, and rowboat.

I've been in Catholic school my whole life, and I have no idea what "hippie pinko teachers" you are talking about.

 

[lordbt]

Dont let the trolls spoil your Fourth of July, folks. It is the celebration of Americas greatness that drives the America-haters nuts. So go celebrate.

 

[DianaUsmcWife]

What a horrid conversation to conduct on the 4th of July.

 

[Shesapeach]

So the facts of history have an anti-American bias now, I see.

I've been in Catholic school my whole life, and I have no idea what "hippie pinko teachers" you are talking about.

Your progressive article that you linked to is so narrow-minded in scope and understanding of history, culture and the nature of things, its laughable.
Anyone basing their ideology on the ideology found in that article shows that their understanding is pre-school and unenlightened at best. You might as well say the world is flat.

I recommend people read that tripe in the link on the op. It goes to show that our educational system has been dumbed down to the point that people can't even exercise rationality of thought let alone exhibit intellectual honesty preferring to regurgitate distortions and outright lies as facts.

 

[Wolseley]

So the facts of history have an anti-American bias now, I see.

No, dear boy---it is not the facts of history that are anti-Ameircan; it is how you wield those facts as a weapon against America that is anti-American.

You don't change the country for the better by trying to tear it down.

 

[Gishin]

I think this is the perfect thread for all the political extremists to just have at each other. I'm unsubscribing.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

I say again: if you don't like it, leave. If America is such an unjust horrible place, there are 194 other countries plus Antarctica in the world for you to choose from. Don't let the door hitcha on your way out. Seeya.

I'm not going anywhere.

Words from a true American patriot and Christian:


And this is the time to stand for those things that are close to the American spirit. We are not content with things as they are. We reject the view of those who say, “America -- love it or leave it. “ We reply, ”Let us change it so we may love it the more.”

And this is the time. It is the time for this land to become again a witness to the world for what is just and noble in human affairs. It is time to live more with faith and less with fear, with an abiding confidence that can sweep away the strongest barriers between us and teach us that we are truly brothers and sisters.
--Senator George McGovern

 

[Ringo84]

What is it about the Fourth that brings out the crazy in some people?

...the same spirit that rejects the notion of "One nation UNDER GOD"
...the same spirit that rejects displays of the Ten Commandments
...the same spirit that rejects displays of the nativity
...the same spirit that rejects reciting prayers in public anything
...the same spirit that rejects anything smacking of Christian publicly
...the same spirit that rejoices in flagrant homosexuality, promiscuity
...the same spirit that would make it illegal for Christian preachers to denounce homosexuality
...the same spirit that rejoices in abortion
...the same spirit that thinks this nation no different than any other nation in the world (unexceptional)
...the same spirit that thinks man is capable of destroying that which God created - by BREATHING no less
...the same spirit that thinks owning wealth is a sin
...the same spirit that thinks having ability, talent is a sin
...the same spirit that steals and loots to curry favor and votes
...the same spirit that destroys everything it touches

I've had a measure of respect for you, but it's beginning to waver. Go grind your political axes elsewhere.
Ringo

 

[Harpuia]

Oi. Insert War on 4th of July reference here.

There are a lot of things worth changing in America, but honestly without this country, I don't think I'd be able to have the opportunities I had, even during times of recession, times of extreme financial/political greed, that I do right now.

Is it alright if I take the rest of the day off? I'm gonna go look at the fireworks and I don't feel like staring at my Nintendo stock on the Nikkei all day.

See ya later.

 

[Frater Chad]

I don't mean to step on any toes here, but I think there's a significant difference between blind nationalism and a thankfulness to be living in a country that grants many rights and freedoms that other countries do not give their citizens. I am happy to live in America and proud of the rights that I have as well as acknowledging the fact that America isn't the greatest nation of all time, God's chosen nation, or other such nonsense. You can be thankful and proud of where you live without it turning into idolatry.

*Shrug* Those are my two copper pieces, at least.

 

[lordbt]

What is it about the Fourth that brings out the crazy in some people?



I've had a measure of respect for you, but it's beginning to waver. Go grind your political axes elsewhere.
Ringo

I see you have found your way to this thread on your own. And, unsurprisingly, you see no political hackery involved in liberals turning the Fourth into a partisan spat.

 

[Harpuia]

I don't mean to step on any toes here, but I think there's a significant difference between blind nationalism and a thankfulness to be living in a country that grants many rights and freedoms that other countries do not give their citizens. I am happy to live in America and proud of the rights that I have as well as acknowledging the fact that America isn't the greatest nation of all time, God's chosen nation, or other such nonsense. You can be thankful and proud of where you live without it turning into idolatry.

*Shrug* Those are my two copper pieces, at least.

Blind nationalism, no. But honestly, I don't see why you need a holiday like the 4th of July to talk about how proud you are of your country. I have an American flag sticker in the back of my Grand Marquis. I have an American flag standing on a cupholder where I work from home. I know the opportunities I've been granted here even in the face of extreme financial greed, yet I don't think I'd live anywhere else, because this was where I was born and where I had my start.

Not to mention the only developed country in the world with a long-term goal of being on top based off population growth alone... but that's another story.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Unlike nationalism found in other countries American nationalism is based on principles and not allegiance to whoever happens to hold political power at the moment.

American nationalism is based on worship at the altars of War and Corporatism. And yes, allegiance to whomever holds political power at the time, as we saw in the reactions to any criticism of Bush and his wars.

To this Christian it is based on the Christian principles identified in the Declaration of Independence and reaffirmed in the Constitution (limited government, inalieanble rights that come from God ... such as the rights to life and property, freedom of conscience including freedom of religion, equal and impartial justice etc.).

The Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution are not Christian documents.

 

[allhart]

We need to find our common ground in our charter/ constitution!

 

[Shesapeach]

I'm not going anywhere.

Words from a true American patriot and Christian:


And this is the time to stand for those things that are close to the American spirit. We are not content with things as they are. We reject the view of those who say, “America -- love it or leave it. “ We reply, ”Let us change it so we may love it the more.”

And this is the time. It is the time for this land to become again a witness to the world for what is just and noble in human affairs. It is time to live more with faith and less with fear, with an abiding confidence that can sweep away the strongest barriers between us and teach us that we are truly brothers and sisters.
--Senator George McGovern

and how does your op and the article therein line up in any way shape or form with the quote you just quoted?

McGovern, in my opinion, was speaking of uniting with each other, being just and noble, living with faith.

Your op and the link therein did nothing but tear down and divide.

 

[Wolseley]

American nationalism is based on worship at the altars of War and Corporatism. And yes, allegiance to whomever holds political power at the time, as we saw in the reactions to any criticism of Bush and his wars.

The Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution are not Christian documents.

And more of the same.

I'm done here; unsubscribing as well. Defensor, you're on ignore. You are simply not worth it.

Take care.

 

[Frater Chad]

Blind nationalism, no. But honestly, I don't see why you need a holiday like the 4th of July to talk about how proud you are of your country.

We don't need a specific holiday, but Christians don't need Christmas or Easter either. It's something that we should be celebrating all the time, but especially on that specific day. *shrug*

 

[Defensor Fidei]

and how does your op and the article therein line up in any way shape or form with the quote you just quoted?

McGovern, in my opinion, was speaking of uniting with each other, being just and noble, living with faith.

Your op and the link therein did nothing but tear down and divide.

No, Peach, the reactions to the OP did nothing but tear down and divide.

 

[DianaUsmcWife]

American nationalism is based on worship at the altars of War and Corporatism. And yes, allegiance to whomever holds political power at the time, as we saw in the reactions to any criticism of Bush and his wars.

Ok hold up a second here.. Defensor Fedei.. what does American mean to you and what are your reasons of patriotism??