Put Away the Flags

[Defensor Fidei]

You are the advocating for the hatred and destruction of this nation based on twisted lies and distortions.

No, I'm not. In this very sentence you are guilty of employing "twisted lies and distortions."

 

[Wolseley]

America is blessed. But it is no more blessed than any other nation.

Tell that to the people living in North Korea.

That's why they have people just breaking down their southern border to get into North Korea, and nobody at all ever comes across the southern United States border.

Wonder why that is?

 

[DianaUsmcWife]

If you do not like the flag as a representation of what this nation stand for, so be it. My family busts our butts so you can have the freedom to like or dislike what ever you want.

With that said. That flag means something to my family, that flag has meant something to thousands of soldiers in the mist of war. That flag bears all the blood and sacrifice that our community has given and will continue to so long as this nation stands. That flag stands for what this country came from and what she will be. That flag shows my son where freedom comes from and what his people have done to preserve it. If you do not like it.. Roger That.. but I do, I love that flag and both my husband and I would die for what she represents any day of the week. We salute her, honor her and respect her.. not the flag it's self... but the country it represents. A flag is just fabric in the wind, but her colors have screamed freedom, hope and a better life across this globe, that is not something to snub your nose at.

 

[Shesapeach]

America is blessed. But it is no more blessed than any other nation. And based on the its actions over the years, the U.S. is clearly not a country guided by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

Your worshipful attitude toward the State borders on idolatry.

Horse-hockey.

America is more blessed than other nations BECAUSE the gospel goes into all the world from here and because of the beliefs in God/actions/words affirming God in the foundation of this country.

America is the people, DefensorFidei. It's not the government. We have come together, in agreement, pledging our lives, our fortune and our sacred honor to each other, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence.

Jesus told us to love the Lord with all our heart and love our neighbors as ourselves. We are the most generous nation on this planet, the most just, because we believe in Jesus and follow His instructions.

Declaration of Independence - Transcript

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

The fruits of internationalism:

China - 65 million dead
USSR - 25 million dead
Cambodia - 2 million dead
North Korea - 2 million dead
Africa - 1.7 million dead
Afghanistan -1.5 million dead
Vietnam - 1 million dead
Eastern Europe - 1 miilion dead
Latin America -150,000 dead

WORKERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Make me?

Pferdscheiss!

If it offends you so much, why don't you just come right on over here and take it down?

With one 30-round magazine, lock and load

Ready on the left....

Ready on the right....

Ready on the firing line.

Stand by to commence firing

Love it or leave it, friend.

Come and take it.

I would genuinely like to thank you all for helping demonstrate so vividly just how true the points of the OP are. The virus of nationalism destroys all semblance of rational thought, leaving so many of my fellow Americans no response to questions or criticism except threats of violence and childish taunts of defiance.

I'm guessing most of you did not even read Prof. Zinn's brief piece. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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[Wolseley]

Well said, Diana. Semper Fi.

My attitude towards people who share the opinion of the OP is rather like my uncle's....he was a WWII vet, 45th Infantry, went from North Africa to Sicily to Italy to France into Germany. When someone asked him about the way in which many folks didn't seem to appreciate his service, his response was, "Well, **** them. I didn't fight to keep them safe from Hitler. I fought to keep ME safe from Hitler."

 

[Wolseley]

I would genuinely like to thank you all for helping demonstrate so vividly just how true the points of the OP are. The virus of nationalism destroys all semblance of rational thought, leaving so many of my fellow Americans no response to questions or criticism except threats of violence and childish taunts of defiance.

I'm guessing most of you did not even read Prof. Zinn's brief piece. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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Defensor, you really do need to enter a cloistered monastery.

You'd be a lot happier.

Just don't try to organize the other monks into a collective bargaining unit, however----the Father abbot wouldn't like it.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Tell that to the people living in North Korea.

That's why they have people just breaking down their southern border to get into North Korea, and nobody at all ever comes across the southern United States border.

Wonder why that is?

God did not condemn the people of Korea to dictatorship any more than he came down from Heaven to condemn American Indians and blacks to genocide and slavery in 1776.

 

[katherine2001]

Nothing says American (or Christian) like some good old-fashioned threats of violence, eh?

Yep. I think some of us just make up our own Jesus--one that we do not see in the pages of the Gospels. Certainly not one that taught us to love our enemies and to bless them and do good to them. Evidently, some believe He got vengeance on His enemies and prayed from the cross that God the Father would punish those who crucified Him.

 

[katherine2001]

No worries but inciting my beliefs as a fair tale is fighting words as to say being liberal is unpatriotic.

He's patriotic enough to be in the military and to put his life on the line for his country.

 

[Wolseley]

God did not condemn the people of Korea to dictatorship any more than he came down from Heaven to condemn American Indians and blacks to genocide and slavery in 1776.

Your anti-American bias shows through in this post like a diamond in a coal mine. It's clear that you have swallowed all that leftist "America is worse than Nazi Germany" crap that your left-wing hippie pinko teachers taught you all through school, hook, line, sinker, pole, and rowboat.

I say again: if you don't like it, leave. If America is such an unjust horrible place, there are 194 other countries plus Antarctica in the world for you to choose from. Don't let the door hitcha on your way out. Seeya.

 

[Shesapeach]

Yep. I think some of us just make up our own Jesus--one that we do not see in the pages of the Gospels. Certainly not one that taught us to love our enemies and to bless them and do good to them. Evidently, some believe He got vengeance on His enemies and prayed from the cross that God the Father would punish those who crucified Him.

I guess that's why Americans give aid to muslim countries even though their holy books teach them to hate us.

 

[katherine2001]

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[katherine2001]

God did not condemn the people of Korea to dictatorship any more than he came down from Heaven to condemn American Indians and blacks to genocide and slavery in 1776.

! I think God gets the blame for a lot of things that He had nothing to do with--other than giving the human race free will, which we use for either good or evil.

Unfortunately, our patriotism sometimes keeps us from seeing the bad parts of our own history and being willing to admit that we have made mistakes in our history.

 

[EdwinWillers]

America is blessed. But it is no more blessed than any other nation. And based on the its actions over the years, the U.S. is clearly not a country guided by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

No, it's not - evidence of the massive infestation that's taken over the minds and hearts of altogether too many in this nation.

...the same spirit that rejects the notion of "One nation UNDER GOD"
...the same spirit that rejects displays of the Ten Commandments
...the same spirit that rejects displays of the nativity
...the same spirit that rejects reciting prayers in public anything
...the same spirit that rejects anything smacking of Christian publicly
...the same spirit that rejoices in flagrant homosexuality, promiscuity
...the same spirit that would make it illegal for Christian preachers to denounce homosexuality
...the same spirit that rejoices in abortion
...the same spirit that thinks this nation no different than any other nation in the world (unexceptional)
...the same spirit that thinks man is capable of destroying that which God created - by BREATHING no less
...the same spirit that thinks owning wealth is a sin
...the same spirit that thinks having ability, talent is a sin
...the same spirit that steals and loots to curry favor and votes
...the same spirit that destroys everything it touches

Your worshipful attitude toward the State borders on idolatry.

...the very same spirit that worships and hangs on to every word their revered leader and messy"I-uh..." speaks from his teleprompter - for promoting, implementing, arrogantly instituting all of the above - who has racked up more time on Sundays on the golf course than in a house of worship.

You have ZERO call to chastise others for "idolatry"

 

[Wolseley]

Unfortunately, our patriotism sometimes keeps us from seeing the bad parts of our own history and being willing to admit that we have made mistakes in our history.

Oh, I fully acknowledge we have made mistakes in our history.

The question is, do we make the country better by acknowledging those mistakes and trying not to repeat the same mistakes in the future, or by badmouthing the country and trying to tear it down like DF is constantly doing? Does that make the country better? Is he improving the lot of Americans and others by all his complaining and moaning and whining about how horrible America is, day after day?

Do you have to despise everything American to be a better American?

Give me a break.

 

[DianaUsmcWife]

I would genuinely like to thank you all for helping demonstrate so vividly just how true the points of the OP are. The virus of nationalism destroys all semblance of rational thought, leaving so many of my fellow Americans no response to questions or criticism except threats of violence and childish taunts of defiance.

I'm guessing most of you did not even read Prof. Zinn's brief piece. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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I did read the link that you provided and do I understand the point, yes I do.. do I agree with it. No I don't.

Now let me take a guess.. you have never wore a uniform in the name of this nation and put your life on the line for her. You will never understand why us vets and us military families get all huffy puffy, because you probably never loved what she stood for like we do. Until you put your life and family on the line for the things you question, you will never understand our deep rooted patriotism. Again you don't want to have a flag.. that is fine.. but realize what people like us go through so you can snub our flag and with all do respect on the day we celebrate the independence of this nation and all who have died keeping her that way... keep your opinion to yourself. It would be much appreciated

 

[Shesapeach]

No, it's not - evidence of the massive infestation that's taken over the minds and hearts of altogether too many in this nation.

...the same spirit that rejects the notion of "One nation UNDER GOD"
...the same spirit that rejects displays of the Ten Commandments
...the same spirit that rejects displays of the nativity
...the same spirit that rejects reciting prayers in public anything
...the same spirit that rejects anything smacking of Christian publicly
...the same spirit that rejoices in flagrant homosexuality, promiscuity
...the same spirit that would make it illegal for Christian preachers to denounce homosexuality
...the same spirit that rejoices in abortion
...the same spirit that thinks this nation no different than any other nation in the world (unexceptional)
...the same spirit that thinks man is capable of destroying that which God created - by BREATHING no less
...the same spirit that thinks owning wealth is a sin
...the same spirit that thinks having ability, talent is a sin
...the same spirit that steals and loots to curry favor and votes
...the same spirit that destroys everything it touches

...the very same spirit that worships and hangs on to every word their revered leader and messy"I-uh..." speaks from his teleprompter - for promoting, implementing, arrogantly instituting all of the above - who has racked up more time on Sundays on the golf course than in a house of worship.

You have ZERO call to chastise others for "idolatry"

You nailed it! AMEN!

 

[BondiHarry]

It has been over a year since the passing of Howard Zinn, but let us again this July 4th recall his wise admonitions against the evils of nationalism. The idolatry toward the flag and the murderous empire it represents is especially shocking coming from self-proclaimed Christians in America.

Put away the flags | The Progressive

Unlike nationalism found in other countries American nationalism is based on principles and not allegiance to whoever happens to hold political power at the moment. To this Christian it is based on the Christian principles identified in the Declaration of Independence and reaffirmed in the Constitution (limited government, inalieanble rights that come from God ... such as the rights to life and property, freedom of conscience including freedom of religion, equal and impartial justice etc.).

The murderous empire as you call it has done more to lift men out of the poverty and tyranny that have been the norm for mankind than any other nation in history. It has given men a glimpse at what is possible when men are allowed to enjoy the liberty that God would bless us with and sadly America is also showing what happens when men turn away from God and embrace the wisdom of men instead.