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I follow what the Lord puts in my heart.No you don't decide, Christ does. The same Church that teaches the doctrine of purgatory is also the one that brought you the New Testament through the power of the Holy Spirit and the authority given to it by Christ Jesus. The Bible did not fall out of the sky. Well, at least you accept what the Church declares to be the inspired inerrant Word of God.
I say you are right!I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
It seems to me to be an invention of humans who wanted to make a way for sinful people to get to heaven, bypassing the work of the Cross.
Thus, the idea of purgatory is not only non-Biblical, but ANTI-Christ.
If we can add to the work of Christ, by paying for "some" of our sins in purgatory,
then why can we not pay for all of them, eventually, in hellfire, and at some future point in eternity, escape hell?
Add to this, the idea of canonization of saints.
The Scriptures imply not at all, that some Christians who have died have achieved a higher "sainthood" (by going straight to heaven, and skipping purgatory) than those of us who are in Christ, here on earth.
The Bible calls all Christians, saints.
The ideas of canonized saints and purgatory are interdependent, and I can find no support for either in the Scriptures.
What say you?
No you don't decide, Christ does. The same Church that teaches the doctrine of purgatory is also the one that brought you the New Testament through the power of the Holy Spirit and the authority given to it by Christ Jesus.
It's a lot more deception than just prgtry.Then why doesn't that very same New Testament "clearly" verify the purgatory that "same church" claims?
I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
It seems to me to be an invention of humans who wanted to make a way for sinful people to get to heaven, bypassing the work of the Cross.
Thus, the idea of purgatory is not only non-Biblical, but ANTI-Christ.
If we can add to the work of Christ, by paying for "some" of our sins in purgatory,
then why can we not pay for all of them, eventually, in hellfire, and at some future point in eternity, escape hell?
Add to this, the idea of canonization of saints.
The Scriptures imply not at all, that some Christians who have died have achieved a higher "sainthood" (by going straight to heaven, and skipping purgatory) than those of us who are in Christ, here on earth.
The Bible calls all Christians, saints.
The ideas of canonized saints and purgatory are interdependent, and I can find no support for either in the Scriptures.
What say you?
I say you are right!
Catholics place "sacred traditions" above "sacred scriptures.
It is not biblical, it is a satanic religion that will take its followers to hell.
Purgatory debunked:
Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the judgment"
One of many verses that destroy the Catholic definition of saints:
Acts 9:32 "And it came to pass, as Peter passed throughout all quarters, he came down also to the saints which dwelt at Lydda."
Really??The same Church that teaches the doctrine of purgatory is also the one that brought you the New Testament through the power of the Holy Spirit
Ok. It doesn't require much effort. I'll just let Jesus do the explaining.
"And his master was angry, and delivered him to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt. So my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother or sister from your heart."
Does everybody die having forgiven everybody who has sinned against him? Not hardly. And if a man dies having not forgiven everyone everything, his own sins are not wholly forgiven either. Jesus' heavenly Father will deliver him to be punished UNTIL the entire debt is paid.
"Purgatory" is simply the Latin word for that place or state of punishment for that purpose.
"Gehenna" is the Hebrew word.
This is why prayers for the dead are effective.
I say you are right!
Catholics place "sacred traditions" above "sacred scriptures.
It is not biblical, it is a satanic religion that will take its followers to hell.
Purgatory debunked:
Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the judgment"
One of many verses that destroy the Catholic definition of saints:
Acts 9:32 "And it came to pass, as Peter passed throughout all quarters, he came down also to the saints which dwelt at Lydda."
Really??
You mean the Alexandrian corrupt manuscripts? The ones that are used to write corrupt bibles from Alexandria Egypt?
Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Futhermore; if God promised to preserve His words, why do they keep changing from bible edition to bible edition??
What the Catholic Church brought us is a corrupt bible that has to keep changing because they are not God's true words, but the devil's words.
God promised to preserve His words and has done that in the King James Bible. The Catholic church hates the King James bible and would never promote it or use it because it hates God's true words.
I agree purgatory is a lie ironically even know some catholics who consider it to be nonsense.
Little Colton Burpo reported that there are many pets and animals in heaven.
notice Jesus’ implication: there are some sins that can be forgiven in the age to come, whatever that age may be.
I like what Hebrews 1:3 says about Jesus. "...when he had by himself purged our sins,..." He doesn't need us to spend time in the purgatory that doesn't exist. He purged our sins all by Himself. 2Pe 3:9 says "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins." Our sins have already been purged. No blood is said to be shed in Purgatory, yet Heb 9:22 says "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission (forgiveness)."I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
It seems to me to be an invention of humans who wanted to make a way for sinful people to get to heaven, bypassing the work of the Cross.
Thus, the idea of purgatory is not only non-Biblical, but ANTI-Christ.
If we can add to the work of Christ, by paying for "some" of our sins in purgatory,
then why can we not pay for all of them, eventually, in hellfire, and at some future point in eternity, escape hell?
Add to this, the idea of canonization of saints.
The Scriptures imply not at all, that some Christians who have died have achieved a higher "sainthood" (by going straight to heaven, and skipping purgatory) than those of us who are in Christ, here on earth.
The Bible calls all Christians, saints.
The ideas of canonized saints and purgatory are interdependent, and I can find no support for either in the Scriptures.
What say you?
purgatory is not a second chance or a "back door" And I have provided Biblical quotes and explanations for the Church's teaching on purgatory. No pagan sources. Yet those who disagree with me call me names and accuse me of at best of being pagan, and at worst of belonging to a "satanic religion."Someone should weep with tears and crying,
for saying Jesus taught anything from pagan sources ... (prgtry),
since it contradicts so many Scriptures,
then taking 2 or 3 Scriptures out of context, along with using the pagan sources,
to try to prove something directly opposed to Jesus Way of Salvation:
CHRIST CRUCIFIED ! for our sake
CHRIST CRUCIFIED ! for our sins
CHRIST'S BLOOD SHED to cleanse us of all sin.
Then to try to say , ooops, YHWH made a boo boo - not enough to pay for sin !
To try to say , ooops, YHWH didn't plan ahead, we better help Him ...
or even worse - don't worry if you don't repent as Jesus says,
we figured out a "back door" around God's Judgment ! We can get you in over the wall ,
not through the door, (not through Jesus! ! ) ,
you just have to pay us enough and we will take care of it !
Let me use Vicomte's explanation here for a moment. The poster said "let Jesus do the explaining", (see quote at bottom of post) but do you see the twist there? The scripture was cited, but the poster did the explaining? Red flag.
Now let's move on to a specific. In the explanation quoted at the bottom, not the scripture, but the explanation, it states what Christ said, as in:
"And his master was angry, and delivered him to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt. So my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother or sister from your heart."
But then the explanation followed:
"Purgatory" is simply the Latin word for that place or state of punishment for that purpose.
"Gehenna" is the Hebrew word.
Why does Purgatory suddenly replace what we have always before known as THE place of punishment, or Hell in Jesus's parable? Why did they choose Purgatory over what most of us still believe without a second thought, belongs there? What reason was there to replace Hell with Purgatory?
It may be the Latin word for state of punishment but Hell is still the place of punishment. And Gehenna is the Hebrew word for state of punishment "for that purpose"? Really? I'd need to see that clearly written, with no twists or tricks. Can any of you do that? Or answer the question, why Purgatory and why not Hell, the normal and usual place of punishment in the explanation? which BTW, and once again, is not what Jesus said.
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