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They compared it to the OT scriptures. Acts 17:11 Also, the Lord said that those who followed Him would do miracles. That's a sign of a true apostleHow did people verify whether or not a teaching was true, before the Scriptures were written?
How did illiterate people verify whether or not a teaching was true?
How did people verify whether or not a teaching was true, who did not have access to one of the handwritten copies of the Scriptures?
It's when they contradict scripture that you know for sure that it is untrue.How did people verify whether or not a teaching was true, before the Scriptures were written?
How did illiterate people verify whether or not a teaching was true?
How did people verify whether or not a teaching was true, who did not have access to one of the handwritten copies of the Scriptures?
They compared it to the OT scriptures. Acts 17:11 Also, the Lord said that those who followed Him would do miracles. That's a sign of a true apostle
Thanks for the responses. I'll have to get back to ya'll later to continue this discussion.It's when they contradict scripture that you know for sure that it is untrue.
Otherwise, I just have to concede that I just don't know, pray and trust in God.
Also I wasn't there before scripture was written so I can't 'imagine' an answer. Maybe someone else has read sources as to what they did. Maybe that's why our Father sent prophets before that until Jesus came.
He promised in Jeremiah 31:33 and Jesus promised us the Holy Spirit John 16:8-15 to lead us and teach us these things and 1 John 2:27 confirms this.
These verses have nothing to do with purgatory. TryThe only thing remotely similar to Purgatory that I have ever seen in scripture are the passages regarding final judgment. But as Christians, though we will have to acknowledge the full weight of our sins, we have nothing to fear because we have been covered with the perfect righteousness of Christ.
There is at first the intermediate state when we are separated from our body, aware but noncorporeal, aware of the unmediated presence of God. We remain in this state until the Resurrection at which we will be clothed again in perfected flesh to live in the new earth in all righteousness and blessedness forever.
The following chapter gives a good idea of what awaits us when we pass from this vale of tears.
2 Corinthians 5
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
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Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
What did the Church use to determine distorted gospels from authentic scripture? The Apostles were long dead before the canon was completed.They all need tested against scripture. People were already trying to distort the gospel in the time of the apostles.
Sure, as long as it doesn't conflict with scripture there is a great deal of room for pious options. Lutherans historically confess PV for example.Does "God's Word" in your definition of Sola Scriptura exclude divinely revealed truths apart from those contained in Scripture?
What a load of crap!Purgatory, as we all know, is a Late Medieval invention that was taught in a certain way for about 500 years. Lately, it's been reconsidered by the Roman Catholic Church. So we have the original teaching that supposedly was infallible because the Magisterium agreed upon it--a sort of temporary Hell that everyone who is saved will pass through to "pay" for all minor sins and, also, mortal sins already forgiven--and we also have the revised but unofficial one which is a vaguely defined transitional period or state that's more like an orientation session prior to one's entrance into Heaven. It's been described as the "Celestial Showerbath" (or washroom) by some.
The problem (if that's what it should be called) is that all discussions of this sort founder on the fact that there are two views of Purgatory--the standard one and the whitewashed version that's recently only been created because there aren't many Catholics any longer who will believe in the standard and historic Purgatory.
I think, in addition, that the standard definition may be seen by the church as inhibiting its efforts at outreach, ecumenical relationships, and "come home" campaigns. This probably is enough in itself to justify ditching Purgatory like Limbo was ditched before.
Maybe the post was too long and you missed it.Related. Eisegetically, that is.
For the benefit of those playing along at home:1 Corinthians 3:10-15
Those scriptures are not about purgatory. They are most likely referring to the trials and tribulations will must all face.For the benefit of those playing along at home:
According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
Using the principle that scripture interprets scripture, it is not difficult to understand this passage as follows:
1) This is about the Last Day, the Parousia, a specific moment of time (kairos not chronos), not some on-going purging of indefinite duration or divine punishment for sins already atoned for by the work of Jesus Christ and forgiven, because ...
2) In Matthew 28:31-46 we see the same event viewed from another eschatological perspective. In the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats Jesus explains how the fruits of our lives (of which we are probably completely unaware: "Lord, when did we...?") are weighed and tallied. Those whose works flow from faith in Christ, whose works are built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, will enter into God's kingdom to the place prepared for them. Those whose works were not from faith in Christ are dispatched to eternal fire.
3) Even those whose works flow from faith in Christ have a mixture of faithful and unfaithful works, we are simultaneously justified and sinful after all. Those works done from faith in Christ endure and are celebrated to the glory of God. Those not done from faith are sinful trash (Romans 14:23) and perish with the fallen, sinful world to which they belong. The works of the Sheep are judged, sifted, winnowed, and passed through a fiery crucible: gold and wood, silver and hay, precious stones and straw. Those that were from faith in Christ are kept, those from the flesh are disposed of.
4) So even those who are save by God will be purified on the Last Day. At the Resurrection we will all stand before God to give an account of our lives (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:12). Those who trust in their supposed good works, who seek to justify themselves through obedience to the law, will be condemned for their failure to perfectly observe the law in which they placed their faith. Those who acknowledge their utter sinfulness and call to Christ alone for mercy will receive mercy from the hand of God. "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.” (Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican, St Luke 18)
That was also the scripture which leapt into my mind.Those scriptures are not about purgatory. They are most likely referring to the trials and tribulations will must all face.
Faith purified through fire of tribulation
1 Peter 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
Didn't your teacher ever tell you not to trust Wikipedia?
Lutherans were the first to use the slogan Sola Scriptura to refer to the practice of norming dogma and doctrine according to scripture. They did not invent the practice. It had been in use since the beginning of the Church. They were simply the first to give it a name and a definition.
Differing ideas that others have called sola scriptura, most notably solo scriptura, are not the same thing.
(It's amusing to me how on the one hand Roman Catholics will deride "protestants" for not having a single confession, as if Protestantism were monolithic, and on the other hand decry the astronomical number of "sects" or "cults" comprising their conception of Protestantism.)
The Lutheran reformers discuss Sola Scriptura here: The Solid Declaration of the Formula of Concord - Book of Concord
Perhaps the most succinct confession is here ...
Dr. Luther himself in the Latin preface to his published works has given necessary and Christian admonition concerning his writings, and has expressly drawn this distinction namely, that the Word of God alone should be and remain the only standard and rule of doctrine, to which the writings of no man should be regarded as equal, but to which everything should be subjected.
10] But [this is not to be understood as if] hereby other good, useful, pure books, expositions of the Holy Scriptures, refutations of errors, explanations of doctrinal articles, are not rejected; for as far as they are consistent with the above-mentioned type of doctrine, these are regarded as useful expositions and explanations, and can be used with advantage. But what has thus far been said concerning the summary of our Christian doctrine is intended to mean only this, that we should have a unanimously accepted, definite, common form of doctrine, which all our evangelical churches together and in common confess, from and according to which, because it has been derived from God's Word, all other writings should be judged and adjusted as to how far they are to be approved and accepted.
Does "God's Word" in your definition of Sola Scriptura include or exclude Sacred Tradition?
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