Prove me wrong: modesty/skin exposure

[FireDragon76]

Nudity is not inherently sinful, especially in an area where it is socially appropriate, such as a nude beach or a place where it is permitted. But I think people need to be sensitive to the dispositions of others in this matter.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm glad you quoted 1Ti 2. Elsewhere, I dealt with this text; I'll paste that material here:

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A) Self-explanatory
The second half of this verse explains the idea of the first half. That is, “with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;”

It’s not about showing too much skin, it’s about dressing too extravagantly. Note that they’re not removing articles of clothing, they’re adding them.

Another reason to think that this only applies to conduct within the church is that it appears contradictory to 2Sa 1:24.


B) Greek
The words used are: modest (κόσμιος) and apparel (καταστολή).


1. Κόσμιος
Κόσμιος is used only twice in the Bible, once in the next chapter (1Ti 3:2) where it’s translated as “good behavior.”

The Strong (n.d.) dictionary says: “From G2889 (in its primary sense); orderly, that is, decorous: - of good behaviour, modest.”

Quoting Barnes (n.d.):

The word here rendered “modest” ( κόσμιος kosmios), properly relates to ornament, or decoration, and means that which is “well-ordered, decorous, becoming.” It does not, properly, mean modest in the sense of being opposed to that which is immodest, or which tends to excite improper passions and desires, but that which is becoming or appropriate.


2. Καταστολή
Καταστολή occurs only here, and as you can learn from the commentary by Clarke (n.d.) and a work he references by Lens (1785): the καταστολή was a specific article of clothing; it only came down to about the waist.

Thus, these words have almost nothing to do with how much flesh is covered.


C) Attention
Some argue that women are not to draw too much attention to themselves with their clothing. Johnson (n.d.) makes this argument, “but adorn themselves in modest apparel. In simple attire which not [sic] attract attention” (Emphasis in original.)

We could say that we’re drawing too much attention to ourselves if we wear too little. However, on many beaches – it’s precisely the opposite. If you’re not exposing a lot of skin, you’re drawing attention to yourself by wearing too much.

I've found in my studies, the word for "shamefacedness" can mean to have consideration for others. Something to consider for sure.

127 αἰδώς aidos ahee-doce’

perhaps from 1 (as a negative particle) and 1492 (through the idea of downcast eyes); n f; TDNT-1:169,26; {See TDNT 30 }

AV-shamefacedness 1, reverence 1; 2

1) a sense of shame or honour, modesty, bashfulness, reverence, regard for others, respect

1492 οιδα oida oy’-da or εἴδω eido i’-do

a root word; v; TDNT-5:116,673; {See TDNT 538 } v a root word; TDNT-5:116,706; {See TDNT 559 }

AV-know 281, cannot tell + 3756 8, know how 7, wist 6, misc 19, see 314, behold 17, look 6, perceive 5, vr see 3, vr know 1; 667

1) to see
1a) to perceive with the eyes
1b) to perceive by any of the senses
1c) to perceive, notice, discern, discover
1d) to see
1d1) i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything
1d2) to pay attention, observe
1d3) to see about something 1d31) i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
1d4) to inspect, examine
1d5) to look at, behold
1e) to experience any state or condition
1f) to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
2) to know
2a) to know of anything
2b) to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
2b1) of any fact
2b2) the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning
2b3) to know how, to be skilled in
2c) to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to (#1Th 5:12)

For Synonyms

Since having consideration for others resembles the golden rule - it is worthy of consideration.

The root word implies we should use our eyes to determine how we affect others, that seems to be the spirit of the word that the older translation was trying to get at - though quite awkwardly.

This word 127 only shows up again in Hebrews 12:28 being translated as reverence.

 

[PoppyB]

I believe that Scripture cannot be used to defend the West's viewpoint that it's sinful for women to be publicly topless.

I want to challenge my viewpoint, and the quality of my arguments.
Prove me wrong, using scripture or rationality that's based on Christian principles in order to do so.

The burden of proof lies with the one asserting a positive, therefore you get to argue first.

Women who expose themselves in public are attention seekers and are not modest. Eve's nakedness was covered by God himself. Going around naked, knowing what men are like, is inciting men to lust and that can't be right or godly. It's a no brainer, it is immodest.

 

[Peter J Barban]

I believe that Scripture cannot be used to defend the West's viewpoint that it's sinful for women to be publicly topless.

I want to challenge my viewpoint, and the quality of my arguments.
Prove me wrong, using scripture or rationality that's based on Christian principles in order to do so.

The burden of proof lies with the one asserting a positive, therefore you get to argue first.

Let's start with the Bible:

1 Timothy 2:9-10
9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

For women to dress modestly, they cannot go topless. That has been agreed upon by believers from every country and culture in the world for thousands of years.

Even most non-Christians agree with this.

 

[section9+1]

Proverbs chapter 5. Drink water from your own cistern. May you rejoice in the wife of your youth. May her breasts satisfy you always. Why embrace the bosom of another man's wife? For a man's ways are in full view of the Lord. The evil deeds of a wicked man ensnare him; he will die for lack of discipline, led astray by his own great folly.
If we should have exposed breasts why should it stop there? There's always more to be seen in the way of nudity. Maybe since we can have public nudity of breasts, why not public fondling of breasts or squeezing or handling? Why must we draw lines of appropriate behavior? This is no end in itself. There is no end. It is just another downward step in a process of endless downward travel. Does anyone foolishly think that a relaxing of standards in one place will stop at that place? "Temptation to sin is sure to come, but woe to him (or her) by whom it comes." Don't be ridiculous and think that exposed breasts is the final end in itself. It always continues. When one step is accomplished it always moves on to the next step. Guaranteed!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm sure I said something, but the time to respond to it has passed

 

[Mathetes66]

Rom 1:1-5,16,17 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle & set apart for the GOSPEL of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the HOLY Scriptures, regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh & who through the Spirit of HOLINESS was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Through Him & on behalf of His Name, we received grace & apostleship to call all those among the Gentiles TO THE OBEDIENCE THAT COMES FROM FAITH. I am NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

I Tim 1:5-8 The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a PURE heart, a CLEAR conscience, and a sincere (unhypocritical) faith. But some people have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time in meaningless discussions.

Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled.

Ligonier Ministries

The Rebellion of Nudity and the Meaning of Clothing

God’s Covering of Man’s Nakedness

When You Need to Cover Nakedness

I Thess 5:15,21-23 Make sure that no one repays evil for evil. Always pursue what is good for one another and for all people. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; separate yourselves from all appearance of evil. Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your entire spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Tim 2:14,15 Don't let anyone forget these things. And with God as your witness, you must warn them not to argue about words to no profit. These arguments don't help anyone. In fact, they ruin everyone who listens to them. Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles (rightly divides) the word of truth.

2 Tim 2:22-24 Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant questionings, because you know that they produce contentions.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless.

I Tim 6:3-5 If anyone teaches another doctrine and disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing, but has an unhealthy interest in controversies and verbal disputes. This gives rise to envy, dissension, slanders, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind who are devoid of the truth.

I Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Rom 16:17,18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

[com7fy8]

I believe that Scripture cannot be used to defend the West's viewpoint that it's sinful for women to be publicly topless.

I think you can use the Bible to argue, either way.

What matters the most is that inside ourselves we are being modest, not trying to call attention to immoral stuff. But be about Jesus, so this can spread spiritually to others >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

It seems to me, how even Christians can evaluate a woman by how attractive she looks, in judging if she is desirable for marriage. This, in my opinion, is judging by appearance, instead of evaluating if she is an example of how Jesus has us becoming and learning how to love. So, if men are judging by looks, they can be missing out on learning how to love, not finding a lady who can help them get real in God's way of loving; and so they are weak so they can break down in close sharing with their wives, giving in to arguing and complaining and bitterness.

So, I think a much more important concern is not only about how a woman shows herself outwardly, but how culture is grooming men to evaluate women by looks and toning of their voices . . . .

My opinion, then, is the topless issue is not what needs to get our attention, so much as how men can be misled about what is love and what is not exactly. Our attention needs, in any case, to stay with personally submitting to howsoever God our Father rules us in our hearts with His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

I do have some thoughts. Paul does say he became all things to all people, so he could win people to Jesus > 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. So, from this I can see the point of going along with dress codes where the culture and church mores favor a lady covering up. But if I were in a jungle village where people were uncovered, I might loosen up, myself, but still with limits the villagers might not have.

I think I have seen how a woman can present herself seductively, even if she is totally or pretty much totally covered . . . by how she moves, toning her voice, how she can do a little flash of an ankle, or how she might show a bit of cleavage can be enough to get a man going. But a woman's face and hair can be especially beautiful, more than the rest of her whole body, it seems to me.

But the most beautiful are the mature ladies in Jesus love > this gets my attention more, now > how they can effect me with God's love so I am loving instead of looking.

By the way, the bait you use can be what chooses the fish you catch. I have seen how women can be sassy and dress like they are going to a porn try-out, then they act so aghast that the men they marry turn out to be con artists and cheaters and not responsible and unable to relate well. The bait you use can be what chooses.

 

[Archivist]

Women who expose themselves in public are attention seekers and are not modest. Eve's nakedness was covered by God himself. Going around naked, knowing what men are like, is inciting men to lust and that can't be right or godly. It's a no brainer, it is immodest.

Actually Adam and Eve’s nakedness were both covered by God. Show me where Scripture tells us that God covered Eve’s top but not Adam’s.

 

[WESTOZZIE]

Of course it is, it's about modesty overall, and that would include not showing ones boobs to the world. Like I said, just a little common sense. If you can't see it, you don't want to see it.

This is like arguing white is black, and it's time for me to get out now, before I start making fun of what your doing here.

I dont know why you have quoted me in this thread? I never posted in it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I believe that Scripture cannot be used to defend the West's viewpoint that it's sinful for women to be publicly topless.

I want to challenge my viewpoint, and the quality of my arguments.
Prove me wrong, using scripture or rationality that's based on Christian principles in order to do so.

The burden of proof lies with the one asserting a positive, therefore you get to argue first.

I can't prove it one way or the other from Scripture because the data isn't there. But I can provide what I saw when I was working in rural West Africa.

Toplessness was allowed and acceptable and normal for women in the rural areas of the country I was in. Entirely unremarkable and common. What was NOT allowed or acceptable was for a woman to ever show her thighs. That was just wrong. One young woman accidentally did that once when her wrap came undone and she was so incredibly embarrassed that her wardrobe malfunction caused her thighs to be exposed.

The same country had a growing tourist industry at the coast where European women would expose their breasts AND their thighs. Many native young men could not handle it. Not the breasts, but the thighs. A woman wearing shorts was culturally suggestive, and the swimsuit bottoms were essentially rape bait in this culture.

Different cultures have different things they consider acceptable for clothing. But my experience is that there are things one covers in all cultures to be modest. And modesty is the real key.

 

[section9+1]

Actually Adam and Eve’s nakedness were both covered by God. Show me where Scripture tells us that God covered Eve’s top but not Adam’s.

Show me in scripture where God covered Eve's bottom and not her top. Bible is silent on many things. That alone does not legitimize them.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I mentioned part of that, earlier. Also, although women's sex drives are weaker than men's: their drives are not weak. Women are at risk of lusting over shirtless men, yet that's rarely considered to be an issue. And it used to be that for a woman to expose her ankle was scandalous; now, no one cares.

I think you just made a great case against your own point. There are some things I don't want to get used to, and some pleasures I don't want to stop enjoying.

 

[PoppyB]

Actually Adam and Eve’s nakedness were both covered by God. Show me where Scripture tells us that God covered Eve’s top but not Adam’s.

Of course. I do know that without being reminded but this thread is about women's nakedness so I only mentioned the woman.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I dont know why you have quoted me in this thread? I never posted in it.

Why? I'm guessing because it was 2:04AM.

Apologies.

 

[blackhole]

Women who expose themselves in public are attention seekers and are not modest. Eve's nakedness was covered by God himself. Going around naked, knowing what men are like, is inciting men to lust and that can't be right or godly. It's a no brainer, it is immodest.

Eve covered her nakedness by covering her bottom portion. She was, at this point, no longer naked. God did not clothe her nakedness, he gave her further covering; the world was now subject to thorns, etc. Also, it may have represented what Christ would do: a covering made by the death of another.

 

[blackhole]

Let's start with the Bible:

1 Timothy 2:9-10
9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

For women to dress modestly, they cannot go topless. That has been agreed upon by believers from every country and culture in the world for thousands of years.

Even most non-Christians agree with this.

I addressed all of these points previously, especially the text that you used. Please refer back to those, thanks!

 

[blackhole]

Proverbs chapter 5. Drink water from your own cistern. May you rejoice in the wife of your youth. May her breasts satisfy you always. Why embrace the bosom of another man's wife? For a man's ways are in full view of the Lord. The evil deeds of a wicked man ensnare him; he will die for lack of discipline, led astray by his own great folly.
If we should have exposed breasts why should it stop there? There's always more to be seen in the way of nudity. Maybe since we can have public nudity of breasts, why not public fondling of breasts or squeezing or handling? Why must we draw lines of appropriate behavior? This is no end in itself. There is no end. It is just another downward step in a process of endless downward travel. Does anyone foolishly think that a relaxing of standards in one place will stop at that place? "Temptation to sin is sure to come, but woe to him (or her) by whom it comes." Don't be ridiculous and think that exposed breasts is the final end in itself. It always continues. When one step is accomplished it always moves on to the next step. Guaranteed!

The lips of a woman's face are also used in sexual affairs, and they're always publicly displayed. They're even enhanced, via red lipstick (think for a moment of what this mimics). And although they're visually shared with other men, they're never to be sexually shared (e.g. "embraced," as in proverbs.)

 

[blackhole]

Rom 1:1-5,16,17 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle & set apart for the GOSPEL of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the HOLY Scriptures, regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh & who through the Spirit of HOLINESS was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Through Him & on behalf of His Name, we received grace & apostleship to call all those among the Gentiles TO THE OBEDIENCE THAT COMES FROM FAITH. I am NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

I Tim 1:5-8 The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a PURE heart, a CLEAR conscience, and a sincere (unhypocritical) faith. But some people have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time in meaningless discussions.

Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled.

Ligonier Ministries

The Rebellion of Nudity and the Meaning of Clothing

God’s Covering of Man’s Nakedness

When You Need to Cover Nakedness

I Thess 5:15,21-23 Make sure that no one repays evil for evil. Always pursue what is good for one another and for all people. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; separate yourselves from all appearance of evil. Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your entire spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Tim 2:14,15 Don't let anyone forget these things. And with God as your witness, you must warn them not to argue about words to no profit. These arguments don't help anyone. In fact, they ruin everyone who listens to them. Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles (rightly divides) the word of truth.

2 Tim 2:22-24 Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant questionings, because you know that they produce contentions.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless.

I Tim 6:3-5 If anyone teaches another doctrine and disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing, but has an unhealthy interest in controversies and verbal disputes. This gives rise to envy, dissension, slanders, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind who are devoid of the truth.

I Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Rom 16:17,18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

All of your verses requires me to presuppose that toplessness is evil. I do not accept your view; thus, I do not accept that I've taught any false doctrine. Some verses for you:

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Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.


1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

 

[blackhole]

I think you can use the Bible to argue, either way.

What matters the most is that inside ourselves we are being modest, not trying to call attention to immoral stuff. But be about Jesus, so this can spread spiritually to others >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

It seems to me, how even Christians can evaluate a woman by how attractive she looks, in judging if she is desirable for marriage. This, in my opinion, is judging by appearance, instead of evaluating if she is an example of how Jesus has us becoming and learning how to love. So, if men are judging by looks, they can be missing out on learning how to love, not finding a lady who can help them get real in God's way of loving; and so they are weak so they can break down in close sharing with their wives, giving in to arguing and complaining and bitterness.

So, I think a much more important concern is not only about how a woman shows herself outwardly, but how culture is grooming men to evaluate women by looks and toning of their voices . . . .

My opinion, then, is the topless issue is not what needs to get our attention, so much as how men can be misled about what is love and what is not exactly. Our attention needs, in any case, to stay with personally submitting to howsoever God our Father rules us in our hearts with His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

I do have some thoughts. Paul does say he became all things to all people, so he could win people to Jesus > 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. So, from this I can see the point of going along with dress codes where the culture and church mores favor a lady covering up. But if I were in a jungle village where people were uncovered, I might loosen up, myself, but still with limits the villagers might not have.

I think I have seen how a woman can present herself seductively, even if she is totally or pretty much totally covered . . . by how she moves, toning her voice, how she can do a little flash of an ankle, or how she might show a bit of cleavage can be enough to get a man going. But a woman's face and hair can be especially beautiful, more than the rest of her whole body, it seems to me.

But the most beautiful are the mature ladies in Jesus love > this gets my attention more, now > how they can effect me with God's love so I am loving instead of looking.

By the way, the bait you use can be what chooses the fish you catch. I have seen how women can be sassy and dress like they are going to a porn try-out, then they act so aghast that the men they marry turn out to be con artists and cheaters and not responsible and unable to relate well. The bait you use can be what chooses.

You've made a good post. The primary reason that I object to accepting the culture's standard for the sake of testimony in this case is because men are allowed to go topless. If we tell women that they can't, we're being unchristian through unfair gender discrimination (there is fair gender discrimination; this isn't one of those cases.)

In short, we're guilty of being unethical if we don't stand up for women's relatively insufficient rights (or stand against men's relatively excessive rights). We should pursue equality in this case.

Regarding your comments on beauty: it's true that beauty if fleeting, etc. However, it's acceptable to also desire beauty:

Ecc 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

Deu 21:10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12 then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13 She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

Less direct, but important:

Gen 12:11 And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon:


Gen 29:17 Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured.


Gen 39:6 And he left all that he had in Joseph's hand; and he knew not ought he had, save the bread which he did eat. And Joseph was a goodly person, and well favoured.


1Sa 16:11 And Samuel said unto Jesse, Are here all thy children? And he said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he keepeth the sheep. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Send and fetch him: for we will not sit down till he come hither.

1Sa 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.


1Sa 16:18 Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.


2Sa 13:1 And it came to pass after this, that Absalom the son of David had a fair sister, whose name was Tamar; and Amnon the son of David loved her.


2Sa 14:25 But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him.


1Sa 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.


1Sa 25:3 Now the name of the man was Nabal; and the name of his wife Abigail: and she was a woman of good understanding, and of a beautiful countenance: but the man was churlish and evil in his doings; and he was of the house of Caleb.


1Ki 1:1 Now king David was old and stricken in years; and they covered him with clothes, but he gat no heat.
1Ki 1:2 Wherefore his servants said unto him, Let there be sought for my lord the king a young virgin: and let her stand before the king, and let her cherish him, and let her lie in thy bosom, that my lord the king may get heat.
1Ki 1:3 So they sought for a fair damsel throughout all the coasts of Israel, and found Abishag a Shunammite, and brought her to the king.
1Ki 1:4 And the damsel was very fair, and cherished the king, and ministered to him: but the king knew her not.


1Ki 1:5 Then Adonijah the son of Haggith exalted himself, saying, I will be king: and he prepared him chariots and horsemen, and fifty men to run before him.
1Ki 1:6 And his father had not displeased him at any time in saying, Why hast thou done so? and he also was a very goodly man; and his mother bare him after Absalom.


Est 2:7 And he brought up Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, and the maid was fair and beautiful; whom Mordecai, when her father and mother were dead, took for his own daughter.


Job 42:15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.