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So then you were forgiven of your sins before you came to Christ? You’re assuming that’s what He meant but your assumption doesn’t line up with scripture because in order to be forgiven of our sins we must first repent and believe. If the propitiation took place at the cross that would mean that we were forgiven before we repented and believed.
Fire equals judgment but that does not mean fire equals judgment every time it is used in The Bible.
Eternal punishment doesn’t sound like it’s just bad for unbelievers. It sounds like judgement.
The Greek word for propitiation by definition is atonement (making one). That is why I wrote what I did.
You’re dodging the question, are you saying that these people were forgiven before they repented and believed? Just because Jesus paid the price at the cross doesn’t mean that you received it at the time of His crucifixion. We don’t receive atonement until we repent and believe and I just proved that with Peter’s statement.
“And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
The debt is cancelled for all, but it's receipt is conditional and based upon believing in Him. God sets the conditions in His word. People in the US can write Wills that are conditinal, so why can;t receipt of God's provision be conditional?
When you say “cancelled for all”, does that mean God’s wrath is no longer on any person ever?
It is common for people to say that God doesn’t send people to hell. Even after death they can’t stand submitting to him. In that case, God might now be ok with them and they still aren’t saved.
I agree that only some are saved as seen by reading the Bible. The discretion is up to men as God did not make any into sock-puppeted yes-men and does not have favorites (Romans 2:11),.
