Proof???!!!!!

[Blayz]

I do refuse them .
I have never been vaccinated for small pox mumps chicken pox. I have had mumps and chicken pox .

I now know how to avoid getting any disease and its scientifc too.

Right. You know how to avoid disease, except mumps and chicken pox, which you got.

Any chance of not contradicting yourself within the one sentence?

And since most vaccination happen at childhood, you really didn't have much say in the process, did you?

Ahh well, lets see how you fare in the next flu pandemic.

EDIT: Actually, its polio thats more interesting. Did you have your kids vaccinated against that? A fascinating disease, the live vaccine can revert to wild type and infect non vaccinated people, causing disease.

 

[thaumaturgy]

You guys are forgetting about Polio. It was through the use of vaccines that it is no longer the menace to children that it was not long ago.

Yuppers.

These room-sized respirators were in nearly continuous use for the treatment of respiratory failure caused by polio during epidemics in the early 1950s. Progress in virology eventually rendered these huge machines obsolete. (SOURCE)

Oh the puny scientific mind.

 

[thaumaturgy]

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[Carey]

pathogens also evolve (MUTATE) quite naturally as well.

You might want to read about the Great Influenza of 1918 Pandemic.



It's a blueprint for the next massive global influenza pandemic.

Sometimes influenza strains jump species after rather natural MUTATIONS (adaptations).

I bet when it happens (and it will) you'll not be so quick to downplay puny scientific minds.

I hear it wasn't a fun way to die.

Everyone can be immune to all disease by strictly following dietary,fasting, work ethic, hygene adn mental focus instructions of the Bible.

If everyone did their body PH wou;d be at 8.0 or higher and no disease or virus could live in their body.

Science has nowever developed ways to concentrate the nutrients into some supplements to off set the damage science has done to the production of food.

 

[Carey]

Yuppers.

Oh the puny scientific mind.

If it had not been for the puny scientific mind the humans would have been immune to polio to begin with.

But science is always trying to correct the problems it causes.

This is western medicines phylosophy. Treat the symptom instead of prevent the cayse.

 

[Carey]

Right. You know how to avoid disease, except mumps and chicken pox, which you got.

Any chance of not contradicting yourself within the one sentence?

And since most vaccination happen at childhood, you really didn't have much say in the process, did you?

Ahh well, lets see how you fare in the next flu pandemic.

EDIT: Actually, its polio thats more interesting. Did you have your kids vaccinated against that? A fascinating disease, the live vaccine can revert to wild type and infect non vaccinated people, causing disease.

I never contradict myself.

When I contracted those thigs I did not know how to prevent them O was a child.

Try to pay attention instead of looking to argue . You might learn something.

 

[thaumaturgy]

If it had not been for the puny scientific mind the humans would have been immune to polio to begin with.

Please back that claim up. How was humanity responsible for the effect of polio?

(Oh and please do us all the favor of giving an adult answer and not invoking the Fall in the Garden of Eden, please.)

 

[thaumaturgy]

Everyone can be immune to all disease by strictly following dietary,fasting, work ethic, hygene adn mental focus instructions of the Bible.

If everyone did their body PH wou;d be at 8.0 or higher and no disease or virus could live in their body.

I thought the blood contained a natural buffer system to maintain a pH of around 7.4

Respiratory alkalosis results from excessive breathing that produces an increase in blood pH. Hyperventilation causes too much dissolved carbon dioxide to be removed from the blood, which decreases the carbonic acid concentration, which raises the blood pH. Often, the body of a hyperventilating person will react by fainting, which slows the breathing.

Metabolic alkalosis is an increase in blood pH resulting from the release of alkaline materials into the blood. This can result from the ingestion of alkaline materials, and through overuse of diuretics. Again, the body usually responds to this condition by slowing breathing, possibly through fainting.
The carbonic acid-hydrogen carbonate ion buffer works throughout the body to maintain the pH of blood plasma close to 7.40. The body maintains the buffer by eliminating either the acid (carbonic acid) or the base (hydrogen carbonate ions). Changes in carbonic acid concentration can be effected within seconds through increased or decreased respiration. Changes in hydrogen carbonate ion concentration, however, require hours through the relatively slow elimination through the kidneys (SOURCE)

Would you please tell us more about this pH 8.0 or greater? Sounds like it might be dangerous. But this is not my area of expertise. I'm not a doctor or medically trained.

 

[FishFace]

I do refuse them .
I have never been vaccinated for small pox

People aren't vaccinated against small pox any more - it's been eradicated from the face of the planet, confined to test tubes in research centres. You don't need it, because doctors have saved you from it.

mumps chicken pox. I have had mumps and chicken pox.

So you didn't have the MMRV... and you got mumps and chicken pox. You're kidding me! Well, I'm glad you're intellectually honest in this respect, even if it is completely irrational and at the cost of contracting horrible illnesses.

I now know how to avoid getting any disease and its scientifc too.

Do tell.

 

[Carey]

Please back that claim up. How was humanity responsible for the effect of polio?

(Oh and please do us all the favor of giving an adult answer and not invoking the Fall in the Garden of Eden, please.)

Humanity is not responsible.

Ot is the so called wise ones who over the millenia chose to say that the words of God in the list of necessary actions and inactaions I referred to ear;ier were not necessary or replaced them with new altered ones.

 

[FishFace]

Everyone can be immune to all disease by strictly following dietary,fasting, work ethic, hygene adn mental focus instructions of the Bible.

If everyone did their body PH wou;d be at 8.0 or higher and no disease or virus could live in their body.

And nor could your body cells. Your pH (not PH) is kept at 7.4 (if I recall correctly) for a good reason, and you can't override it without harming yourself. Now, I'm trying to recall biology from two years ago here... is it the medulla oblongata? I think so. Anyway, you can't alter your body pH except by hyperventilation, because it's controlled automatically. If you tried you'd kill yourself anyway.
If you magically managed to survive, then it wouldn't be long before diseases EVOLVED to the new pH (why do you think they're suited to that pH in the first place?)

Science has nowever developed ways to concentrate the nutrients into some supplements to off set the damage science has done to the production of food.

I'm afraid to say you've been taken in by some conspiracy theorists. If you have any evidence that any of these techniques work, that you can avoid disease or alter your blood pH, or that science has harmed the production of food, then please, give it to us. We'd love to be disease free.
Bets are you haven't got any.

 

[Carey]

I thought the blood contained a natural buffer system to maintain a pH of around 7.4

Would you please tell us more about this pH 8.0 or greater? Sounds like it might be dangerous. But this is not my area of expertise. I'm not a doctor or medically trained.

No the body does not mainatina a natural buffer sysytem.

Want ot have some fun??

Go to any health food store.

Buy some PH tape.

Test you and your friends and family at different times of the day. After different activities and after consuming different things and also being exposed to different things environmentally.

These experiments are fun.

As you study the effects of PH levels inthe body and the effects of free radicals and antioxidants and their sources you will come to revelations as to why the Bible said 1000's of years ago what it said on food,physical exertion, hygene,and mental focus.

The creator Yahweh and his word in that book we call the Bible
is sooooo awsome.

 

[FishFace]

If it had not been for the puny scientific mind the humans would have been immune to polio to begin with.

How do you suppose science destroyed our immunity to polio, and where's the evidence?

But science is always trying to correct the problems it causes.

No, science is trying to correct the problems with nature. I can only assume God put polio there to make life miserable - smallpox as well.

If I were a doctor or scientist, you would have probably insulted me just about as badly as possible. To wave aside the comforts science and medicine has brought you, without expecting any thanks, with a conspiracy theory and a Bible verse, is beyond rude. It's pretty disgusting, actually. Doctors worked like crazy to get rid of smallpox, and you handwave their efforts away as if they didn't exist.

This is western medicines phylosophy. Treat the symptom instead of prevent the cayse.

As opposed to your philosophy which is... Make some ooga-booga, and pretend it's not there? I'm sorry, Carey, but medicine works. Mystic spiritualist nonsense such as what you propose doesn't.
Not only that but vaccination does treat the cause.

 

[UncleHermit]

Test you and your friends and family at different times of the day. After different activities and after consuming different things and also being exposed to different things environmentally.

Do you test blood with that?

 

[FishFace]

No the body does not mainatina a natural buffer sysytem.

Mate, I only did AS level Biology but.. you're wrong. We firstly have a chemical buffer, as thaumaturgy said. That's just a brute fact of chemistry - if you know the chemicals involved, you can verify in a beaker that it acts as a buffer solution.
Your breathing rate is also involuntarily regulated such that, if your blood pH is too low, you breathe faster and if too high, you breathe more slowly.

Again, this is taught to 16/17 year old biology students.

Want ot have some fun??

Go to any health food store.

Buy some PH tape.

Test you and your friends and family at different times of the day. After different activities and after consuming different things and also being exposed to different things environmentally.

These experiments are fun.

Hey, try this one: take a thermometer, and measure the temperature of your hands at different times and places. I guess body temperature doesn't stay put, huh?
Wrong - body temperature, as with body pH, can't be measured just anywhere on the body. You have to measure the pH of tissue fluid or blood. And you can't just cut yourself either, since the chemicals will oxidise on contact with the air.

As you study the effects of PH levels inthe body and the effects of free radicals and antioxidants and their sources

I bet you don't know what a free radical is.

you will come to revelations as to why the Bible said 1000's of years ago what it said on food,physical exertion, hygene,and mental focus.

Go on then, educate us - what does it say, and why should we do it?

 

[thaumaturgy]

No the body does not mainatina a natural buffer sysytem.

The blood is a buffered system.

Look in any biochem text book. Talk to an actual doctor.

Now certainly there may be other buffer systems in the body for different fluids, like I said, I'm not a doctor.

Want ot have some fun??

Go to any health food store.

Buy some PH tape.

Dude, I'm a professional research and development chemist in industry, I won't be going to a healthfood store to by my "PH tape" (and please, capitalize it correctly it's LOWERCASE p UPPERCASE H. pH.

Test you and your friends and family at different times of the day. After different activities and after consuming different things and also being exposed to different things environmentally.

TEST WHAT? My saliva? My urine? My blood? My sweat? WHAT?

Sure things like the blood do change with level of exertion and different materials that come into the body. But the body works by moderating this pH shift back to 7.4 using the blood buffer system. What are you talking about here? Maybe I'm missing something.

You wanna have some fun? Try explaing this scientifically or semi-completely when trying to teach a scientist.

As you study the effects of PH levels inthe body and the effects of free radicals and antioxidants and their sources you will come to revelations as to why the Bible said 1000's of years ago what it said on food,physical exertion, hygene,and mental focus.

The creator Yahweh and his word in that book we call the Bible
is sooooo awsome.

You really need to provide a reference on these claims fella. I don't know what you're reading, but you are explaining yourself quite poorly.

 

[Carey]

How do you suppose science destroyed our immunity to polio, and where's the evidence?



No, science is trying to correct the problems with nature. I can only assume God put polio there to make life miserable - smallpox as well.

If I were a doctor or scientist, you would have probably insulted me just about as badly as possible. To wave aside the comforts science and medicine has brought you, without expecting any thanks, with a conspiracy theory and a Bible verse, is beyond rude. It's pretty disgusting, actually. Doctors worked like crazy to get rid of smallpox, and you handwave their efforts away as if they didn't exist.



As opposed to your philosophy which is... Make some ooga-booga, and pretend it's not there? I'm sorry, Carey, but medicine works. Mystic spiritualist nonsense such as what you propose doesn't.
Not only that but vaccination does treat the cause.

God put the diseases here to keep the population at certain levels.

Gid knew people with their stubborness and egos would not listen to his instruction but them the freedom choice.

Doctors had to work like crazy to get disease cause from lack of Biblical obedience to the list of action and inactions I referred to earlier.under control only to make them go dormant and mutate into more resilient starins.


Vaccination treats the manmade cause of diseases tat would not exist in man.
And this so called prevention is only a temporary treatment to a problem caused by disobedience to simple actions and inactions layed out 1000's of years ago.

 

[Chalnoth]

God put the diseases here to keep the population at certain levels.

It's not diseases that have kept the population low in the past, it's primarily availability of food.

 

[Chalnoth]

I never contradict myself.

Humanity is not responsible.

Gid knew people with their stubborness and egos would not listen to his instruction but them the freedom choice.

Doctors had to work like crazy to get disease cause from lack of Biblical obedience to the list of action and inactions I referred to earlier.under control only to make them go dormant and mutate into more resilient starins.

 

[FishFace]

God put the diseases here to keep the population at certain levels.

So what are plagues for?

Doctors had to work like crazy to get disease cause from lack of Biblical obedience to the list of action and inactions I referred to earlier.under control only to make them go dormant and mutate into more resilient starins.

This paragraph doesn't make sense. Could you please check your posts a bit more thoroughly for spelling and grammar?

Vaccination treats the manmade cause of diseases tat would not exist in man.

What man-made cause? There is none- the cause of a disease is the disease itself, the bacterium or virus.

And this so called prevention is only a temporary treatment to a problem caused by disobedience to simple actions and inactions layed out 1000's of years ago.

What actions other than vaccination prevent, say, smallpox? Provide evidence.