Proof???!!!!!

[Carey]

It's not diseases that have kept the population low in the past, it's primarily availability of food.

Yes there are other factors I was answering why disease was here.

War helps comtrol population size too.

 

[Carey]

And nor could your body cells. Your pH (not PH) is kept at 7.4 (if I recall correctly) for a good reason, and you can't override it without harming yourself. Now, I'm trying to recall biology from two years ago here... is it the medulla oblongata? I think so. Anyway, you can't alter your body pH except by hyperventilation, because it's controlled automatically. If you tried you'd kill yourself anyway.
If you magically managed to survive, then it wouldn't be long before diseases EVOLVED to the new pH (why do you think they're suited to that pH in the first place?)

I'm afraid to say you've been taken in by some conspiracy theorists. If you have any evidence that any of these techniques work, that you can avoid disease or alter your blood pH, or that science has harmed the production of food, then please, give it to us. We'd love to be disease free.
Bets are you haven't got any.

I told you get some pH tape at the health food store and do the experiments I told you.

There will be proof pH can easily be manipulated.

Do it on everyone in the family at many different ages you will see I garauntee it.

Now if you want to research the studies on it you will see even at 7.4 which virtually everyone
(anyone sick is'nt even near 7.4 ) can stay relatively disease free.

If I tried to open an office and sell this info they would send a government agency and make up a reason to shut me down. It has happened to many who have tried. Why because of what you would probably call a conspiracy and I call common sense $$$$$$$$$$

 

[Carey]

Do you test blood with that?

There is a much easier way. You can buy some pH tape at any health food store.

you simply touch it to your tongue wait for it to change color then compare it to the color chart that comes with the tape.

 

[Carey]

The blood is a buffered system.

Look in any biochem text book. Talk to an actual doctor.

Now certainly there may be other buffer systems in the body for different fluids, like I said, I'm not a doctor.



Dude, I'm a professional research and development chemist in industry, I won't be going to a healthfood store to by my "PH tape" (and please, capitalize it correctly it's LOWERCASE p UPPERCASE H. pH.



TEST WHAT? My saliva? My urine? My blood? My sweat? WHAT?

Sure things like the blood do change with level of exertion and different materials that come into the body. But the body works by moderating this pH shift back to 7.4 using the blood buffer system. What are you talking about here? Maybe I'm missing something.

You wanna have some fun? Try explaing this scientifically or semi-completely when trying to teach a scientist.



You really need to provide a reference on these claims fella. I don't know what you're reading, but you are explaining yourself quite poorly.

Test your saliva for your ( Ph ) ( PH) ( ph ) sorry I had to mess with ya on the capitalization

I always found it stupid when teachers would grade on spelling when it was not work done on spelling but a different topic.
Especially when it was understood what was menat even with a typo or mispelling.

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

There is a much easier way. You can buy some pH tape at any health food store.

you simply touch it to your tongue wait for it to change color then compare it to the color chart that comes with the tape.

Could you show why the pH of saliva is a good way of measuring the overall pH of the body? Why would I be wrong in lets say measuring the pH of my stomach?

 

[UncleHermit]

There is a much easier way. You can buy some pH tape at any health food store.

you simply touch it to your tongue wait for it to change color then compare it to the color chart that comes with the tape.

Yes, but that's not an accurate measurement of your body's ph. You could, for example, eat some asparagus before taking that test, and the ph level of your saliva would be very high. But that doesn't affect your entire body. You know?

 

[Carey]

Mate, I only did AS level Biology but.. you're wrong. We firstly have a chemical buffer, as thaumaturgy said. That's just a brute fact of chemistry - if you know the chemicals involved, you can verify in a beaker that it acts as a buffer solution.
Your breathing rate is also involuntarily regulated such that, if your blood pH is too low, you breathe faster and if too high, you breathe more slowly.

Again, this is taught to 16/17 year old biology students.



Hey, try this one: take a thermometer, and measure the temperature of your hands at different times and places. I guess body temperature doesn't stay put, huh?
Wrong - body temperature, as with body pH, can't be measured just anywhere on the body. You have to measure the pH of tissue fluid or blood. And you can't just cut yourself either, since the chemicals will oxidise on contact with the air.



I bet you don't know what a free radical is.



Go on then, educate us - what does it say, and why should we do it?

The fluid that is tested with the tape I told you to buy is saliva

Ok what is taught in biology classes is aprtially correct.

Here is what we need to do avoid food and drink the bible says to avoid if we want to be healthier.

We also should avoid cosuming things they did not have in Bible days.( sorry but if you wanna be healthy and free of disease)

It has nothing to do with salvation as the jews think.

But because science has screwed up our farming methods we must take supplements because the produce we have today is virtually void of nutrients and meats are filled with chemicals and drugs.
Buy Kosher organic meat .The way we kill meat also does not allow the meat to let out the impurities this is why bleeding the animal before butchering is so important even if it has never had drugs or chemicals from food that have been treated with herbicides and pesticides.

Remember to drink your body weight in pounds in ounces of water daily or more . If you weigh 200 pounds drink 200 ounces of water daily . If you sweat properly during your excercise regiment you have to rehydrate.

Water in Bible times was pure and had natural minerals .
But because science has poluted the water we now have to drink distilled water and take supplements.

Do not overindulge in food or anything. ( duh )

The Bible says Work by the sweat of your brow all day.( Moden translation or exercise hard enough you sweat and get very out of breath daily for an hour or 2 at least )

The Bible says avoid all contact with blood and waste.But when you do come in contact wash and stay away from others for a while in case you did not wash thoroughly enough ( DUH )

The Bible Keep your mind focused on the Good news.
Do not worry.
( translation... keep a positive mental attitude )

Do these things and it will seem almost miraculous how
you stay disease free around so many who are sick as many endtime plagues sweep across the planet.

 

[Carey]

Yes, but that's not an accurate measurement of your body's ph. You could, for example, eat some asparagus before taking that test, and the ph level of your saliva would be very high. But that doesn't affect your entire body. You know?

That is correct This proves the body ph is easily manipulated.By what we consume. Hence the Biblical dietary suggestions.

You want to know where your body pH is at through out the day so it should be checked before eating every meal.

If you are eating and drinking properly and you still have a messed up pH then you are either not getting enough excercise,not keeping a PMA, or being exposed to concentrations of free radicals through the environment. Polution etc. So you would need to increase your antioxidant levels to offset the free radical exposure.

Simple really if you think about it.

 

[FishFace]

There is a much easier way. You can buy some pH tape at any health food store.

you simply touch it to your tongue wait for it to change color then compare it to the color chart that comes with the tape.

Try it. Eat an orange. Try it again. The pH of your tongue is NOT your body pH.

 

[FishFace]

Could you show why the pH of saliva is a good way of measuring the overall pH of the body? Why would I be wrong in lets say measuring the pH of my stomach?

Ooh, I know, I know! Is it because your stomach is about pH 2 or something! Damn hydrochloric acid!

 

[Carey]

So what are plagues for?



This paragraph doesn't make sense. Could you please check your posts a bit more thoroughly for spelling and grammar?




What man-made cause? There is none- the cause of a disease is the disease itself, the bacterium or virus.



What actions other than vaccination prevent, say, smallpox? Provide evidence.

When our pH is where it would be if we had all
always been obedient to God we would all be immune and qould have prevented disease to ever enter any human body.

See my other post for detail if you wish.

 

[UncleHermit]

That is correct This proves the body ph is easily manipulated.By what we consume. Hence the Biblical dietary suggestions.

You want to know where your body pH is at through out the day so it should be checked before eating every meal.

If you are eating and drinking properly and you still have a messed up pH then you are either not getting enough excercise,not keeping a PMA, or being exposed to concentrations of free radicals through the environment. Polution etc. So you would need to increase your antioxidant levels to offset the free radical exposure.

Simple really if you think about it.

Like I said before, that is not an accurate measurement of your body's ph.

 

[FishFace]

The fluid that is tested with the tape I told you to buy is saliva

Ok what is taught in biology classes is aprtially correct.

No, it IS correct. Your "pH tape" isn't for testing your body pH, which is the pH of your blood and interstitial fluid.

Here is what we need to do avoid food and drink the bible says to avoid if we want to be healthier.

We also should avoid cosuming things they did not have in Bible days.( sorry but if you wanna be healthy and free of disease)

So... potatoes are bad for you? All medicines are bad for you?

But because science has screwed up our farming methods we must take supplements because the produce we have today is virtually void of nutrients

Evidence, please. How does (say) broccoli have fewer or less nutrients than it did before?

and meats are filled with chemicals and drugs.
Buy Kosher organic meat .The way we kill meat also does not allow the meat to let out the impurities this is why bleeding the animal before butchering is so important

Or you could, you know, cook it.

Remember to drink your body weight in pounds in ounces of water daily or more . If you weigh 200 pounds drink 200 ounces of water daily . If you sweat properly during your excercise regiment you have to rehydrate.

Where does it say that in the Bible?

Water in Bible times was pure and had natural minerals .
But because science has poluted the water

Science puts flouride in the water in order to keep your teeth healthy, that's about it.

we now have to drink distilled water and take supplements.

I have never drunk distilled water in my life. The minerals you get in water generally aren't vastly important anyway. I think they may be slightly good at prevent heart disease.

Do not overindulge in food or anything. ( duh )

Exactly - duh. No-one needs the Bible to tell them that.

The Bible says Work by the sweat of your brow all day.( Moden translation or exercise hard enough you sweat and get very out of breath daily for an hour or 2 at least )

That's not a translation. The Bible passage says you should be sweating all the time you're working. What's your profession, Carey? It certainly does not mention taking exercise.

Do these things and it will seem almost miraculous how you stay disease free around so many who are sick as many endtime plagues sweep across the planet.

Yet you won't be able to save yourself from mumps, polio, TB or whatever if you don't have your jabs.

 

[Carey]

Like I said before, that is not an accurate measurement of your body's ph.

Correct but it is close enough

Like I said check it before every meal and do what the Bible says you will never get sick.

 

[FishFace]

That is correct This proves the body ph is easily manipulated.By what we consume. Hence the Biblical dietary suggestions.

No. It proves the pH of your tongue is easily manipulated. Very different.

You want to know where your body pH is at through out the day so it should be checked before eating every meal.

If you are eating and drinking properly and you still have a messed up pH then you are either not getting enough excercise,not keeping a PMA

Are we measuring our tongue's pH or our body pH?

or being exposed to concentrations of free radicals through the environment.

"Messed up" pH? Care to explain? To high or too low? How does a free radical change your body pH?

O˙˙ + H[sup]+[/sup] --> ??
O˙˙ + OH[sup]-[/sup --> ??
O˙˙ + HCO[sub]3[/sub][sup]-[/sup --> ??

Replace O˙˙ with whatever radical you like.

So you would need to increase your antioxidant levels to offset the free radical exposure.

Simple really if you think about it.

Except you've got some (pretty simple) facts very wrong. Your tongue's pH is irrelevant. If your body pH changes, you die - your enzymes have optimum pHs and if things stray outside a narrow range, they don't work well. (Interestingly, your stomach enzymes are optimized to work at low pHs)
I'll believe what you say about radicals if you care to explain how the affect the whole she-bang.

 

[FishFace]

Correct but it is close enough

Like I said check it before every meal and do what the Bible says you will never get sick.

Just to make sure you get the message, no it's not. If you, for example, gargled some sulphuric acid, (not advised) then the pH in your mouth would be extremely low. Your body pH would be unaffected.

 

[Carey]

No, it IS correct. Your "pH tape" isn't for testing your body pH, which is the pH of your blood and interstitial fluid.



So... potatoes are bad for you? All medicines are bad for you?

Yes



Evidence, please. How does (say) broccoli have fewer or less nutrients than it did before?

Do your own research. Also check soil composition in just the recorded history for farming soil.



Or you could, you know, cook it.

Cooking does not kill all imurities out unless you reduce it to ash But that would even leave trace elements of
impuruites.



Where does it say that in the Bible?

Say what?



Science puts flouride in the water in order to keep your teeth healthy, that's about it.

Do you know flouride is poisonous?



I have never drunk distilled water in my life. The minerals you get in water generally aren't vastly important anyway. I think they may be slightly good at prevent heart disease.


LOL you should do more research.



Exactly - duh. No-one needs the Bible to tell them that.

OK



That's not a translation. The Bible passage says you should be sweating all the time you're working. What's your profession, Carey? It certainly does not mention taking exercise.



Yet you won't be able to save yourself from mumps, polio, TB or whatever if you don't have your jabs.

I do not work in an occupation that would make me sweat all day long so exercise would be necssary to replace the sweat need ...that would be a no brainer , right??

Yep with you ph high enough you cannot get mumps, polio or any other disease.

 

[Carey]

Just to make sure you get the message, no it's not. If you, for example, gargled some sulphuric acid, (not advised) then the pH in your mouth would be extremely low. Your body pH would be unaffected.

The you should check you ph before you gargle with your acid

 

[UncleHermit]

Correct but it is close enough

No, it's really not. But I will smile, though. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Carey]

No. It proves the pH of your tongue is easily manipulated. Very different.



Are we measuring our tongue's pH or our body pH?



"Messed up" pH? Care to explain? To high or too low? How does a free radical change your body pH?

O˙˙ + H[sup]+[/sup] --> ??
O˙˙ + OH[sup]-[/sup --> ??
O˙˙ + HCO[sub]3[/sub][sup]-[/sup --> ??

Replace O˙˙ with whatever radical you like.



Except you've got some (pretty simple) facts very wrong. Your tongue's pH is irrelevant. If your body pH changes, you die - your enzymes have optimum pHs and if things stray outside a narrow range, they don't work well. (Interestingly, your stomach enzymes are optimized to work at low pHs)
I'll believe what you say about radicals if you care to explain how the affect the whole she-bang.

Look young one you seem intelligent.

Research what I have posted and you will see.

I must get onto other threads now.