Proof???!!!!!

[thaumaturgy]

Test your saliva for your ( Ph ) ( PH) ( ph ) sorry I had to mess with ya on the capitalization

Yet you still didn't get it right on the capitalization. You look well informed and knowledgable.

It's pH

I always found it stupid when teachers would grade on spelling when it was not work done on spelling but a different topic.
Especially when it was understood what was menat even with a typo or mispelling.

Sorry, but if accuracy and spelling, grammar and correct wording (all of which help clarify your point) bother you, you might want to avoid saying anything.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I do not work in an occupation that would make me sweat all day long so exercise would be necssary to replace the sweat need ...that would be a no brainer , right??

Yep with you ph high enough you cannot get mumps, polio or any other disease.

The normal pH range of human blood oscillates between 7.35 and 7.45. Anything above or below is a major risk for the body, and I'm pretty sure that a pH of 8.0 would be fatal.

On the other sides, viruses need living cells to reproduce, so with a blood pH of 8, you'd be 100% immune against polio. You'd be dead, of course, but that's a small price for invincibility.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Here's what "Quackwatch" has to say about "urine/saliva" testing.

I don't know about the accuracy of this, I am not a medical doctor. (I bolded the last paragraph in this snippet for emphasis).

Urine/Saliva pH Testing:
Another Gimmick to Sell You Something

Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Some "nutritionists" and other fringe practitioners use a nonsensical urine/saliva test as the basis for evaluating a person's health and prescribing dietary supplements to fix it. The most visible modern proponent of this test was Gary Martin, who, during the 1980s, operated the American College of Nutripathy, a nonaccredited correspondence school that granted "degrees" in nutrition. One of the school's brochures described nutripathy as "the condensation of most all natural healing and counseling techniques available today . . . . the basics 'boiled' from literally hundreds of different therapies and techniques."
Martin claimed that nutripathic tests could detect "imbalances which, if left to mature, must ultimately manifest as some form of disease process." and "discover the root cause of the disease while it is still in the prediagnosable stage."
The most notable of these tests was the urine/saliva test developed about more than 50 years ago by Cary Reams, a self-proclaimed biophysicist who was prosecuted during the 1970s for practicing medicine without a license. Reams, who also claimed to be guided by God, devised "a mathematical formula for perfect health, based on the biophysical frequencies of living matter." The formula, which Martin called "your Nutripathic Portrait," looks like this:

1.5 6.4 / 6.4 7 1 3 / 3
According to Martin's book, Nutripathy: The Final Solution to Your Health Dilemma, the first three numbers represent sugars excreted in the urine and the acidity (pH) of the urine and saliva, and indicate how much "energy input" you have. The other numbers, said to represent your "mineral salts index, urine debris index and nitrate nitrogens over the ammoniacal nitrogens index," indicate how much energy your metabolism is using. "A low energy input and high energy drain," says the book, "means degeneration, rot, decay and death." To fix these alleged problems, Martin and his followers offered a large variety of supplement products.
This urine/saliva test and its associated trappings are utter nonsense.
Acid-base status is commonly measured at hospital admission for many diseases, but it is extremely unusual to find acidosis or alkalosis of the blood or extracellular fluid in the early stages of any major disease except kidney disease. Moreover, no food is acidic or alkaline enough in a mixed diet to produce long-lasting changes in the body's acid-base balance.(SOURCE)

 

[Vene]

Look young one you seem intelligent.

Research what I have posted and you will see.

I must get onto other threads now.

But you don't seem intelligent.
You do realize what would happen to our bodies if we radically changed the pH, right?
Do you even know what pH is a measure of?
Do you understand the concept of a buffer?
Do you know that the fluids in are body are controlled by buffers?
Do you not see how idiotic your arguments are?

 

[thaumaturgy]

Saliva has a slightly different buffer system utilizing not only the carbonic buffer system of blood but also phosphates and some proteins.

Here's what Newcastle University dental school says:

1.
The pH of the mouth must be maintained near neutral for normal tooth maintenance.
2.
Oral pH is buffered to a small extent by saliva proteins and phosphate.The major influence on saliva pH is bicarbonate ion which is a by-product of cell metabolism.
3.
Bicarbonate concentration increases in saliva as the flow rate rises and is due to the increased metabolic rate. This, in turn, raises the pH (more alkaline) of saliva.
4.
Bicarbonate ions diffuse into dental plaque and neutralise acid produced by plaque bacteria when carbohydrate is fermented.
5.
This reaction is driven by a unique type of carbonic anhydrase which is secreted into saliva by serous acinar cells of the parotid and submandibular glands.
6.
Bicarbonate ions maintain the pH of saliva above 6.3.
(SOURCE)

Again, dentistry and medicine are not my field. I'd be interested to see the SCIENCE behind Carey's claims. I've seem plenty of internet suggestions about saliva pH and the like, but I would need to see some solid science, and not just some guy who doesn't even understand how to capitalize pH telling me all about it.

Sorry, Carey, not enough.

 

[Carey]

Could you show why the pH of saliva is a good way of measuring the overall pH of the body? Why would I be wrong in lets say measuring the pH of my stomach?

Do you know how to use a search engine??


balance in body pH. How to use pH paper to test urine and...
The pH of saliva offers a window through which you can see the overall pH balance in your body. ph balance A brief Science of Body pH ...
www.ionizers.org/ph-balance.html - 28k

 

[Carey]

Yet you still didn't get it right on the capitalization. You look well informed and knowledgable.

It's pH



Sorry, but if accuracy and spelling, grammar and correct wording (all of which help clarify your point) bother you, you might want to avoid saying anything.

Are you intelligent enough to realiz the PH capitalization is intentionally not being done to your satisfaction??

 

[Split Rock]

But you don't seem intelligent.
You do realize what would happen to our bodies if we radically changed the pH, right?
Do you even know what pH is a measure of?
Do you understand the concept of a buffer?
Do you know that the fluids in are body are controlled by buffers?
Do you not see how idiotic your arguments are?

He knows all this. He is just stringing you guys along for laughs.

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

Do you know how to use a search engine??


balance in bodypH. How to use pH paper to test urine and...
The pH of saliva offers a window through which you can see the overall pH balance in your body. ph balance A brief Science of Body pH ...
www.ionizers.org/ph-balance.html - 28k

Yes I do but I want to see if you know what your talking about. But it's becoming apparent you don't.

 

[Chalnoth]

Are you intelligent enough to realiz the PH capitalization is intentionally not being done to your satisfaction??

So, let me get this straight, you are intentionally making yourself out to look even more ignorant?

 

[FishFace]

Please don't reply within the quotation. It makes it hard for the other person to respond quickly.

Yes

I'm not going to believe that potatoes, medicines and everything invented or discovered since biblical times it bad for you without evidence.

Do your own research. Also check soil composition in just the recorded history for farming soil.

Sorry bud, that's not how it works. You make the claim - you find the evidence.

Cooking does not kill all imurities out unless you reduce it to ash But that would even leave trace elements of impuruites.

It's not possible to kill a non-living impurity. But it is possible to kill bacteria and viruses, and to decompose organic toxins. Inorganic impurities, well - such as? Evidence?

Say what?

Whatever it was I quoted. I'm not going to write your post for you - if you can't remember what you said, go back and find it, please.

Do you know flouride is poisonous?

Salt is poisonous. But if you don't any salt you will die. Flouride is poisonous, but if you don't get enough your teeth will rot.

LOL you should do more research.

No - you should do the research before you come making crazy-sounding claims.

I do not work in an occupation that would make me sweat all day long so exercise would be necssary to replace the sweat need ...that would be a no brainer , right??

Not really. It says that you need to be sweating for a full working day. For how long do you exercise?

Yep with you ph high enough you cannot get mumps, polio or any other disease.

Indeed - because you're dead. However, having an alkaline tongue will do nothing to make you resistance to disease.

 

[FishFace]

Look young one you seem intelligent.

Cheers.

Research what I have posted and you will see.

No, that's not how it works. Scientists don't get published by saying, "I've made cold fusion work, but I'm not going to tell you how - research what I have said and you will see!" You do the research, show it us, we'll tell you what we think.

It's simple enough to work out that tongue pH is not body pH, and the former does not make you resistant or susceptible to disease.

It's also simple enough to work out you have no idea what a free radical is or what it does.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Are you intelligent enough to realiz the PH capitalization is intentionally not being done to your satisfaction??

Laugh. Yes. But so far I think you've only gotten it right once, whether on purpose or not.

Now, if you wish us to take your explanations seriously let's talk seriously.

You are advocating medical processes. Please back up your claims with references to solid sciences.

Everyone here has simply asked you questions about what you are talking around.

You need to be explicit and clear. No room for error on this one.

When discussing medical issues you have to remember there are people out there who don't know science enough to know whether they are doing something good or bad, right or wrong.

Just this morning I had to explain why homeopathy was not good medicine to one of my mom's friends. A bunch of octagenarian little old ladies in the midwest are not necessarily the most scientifically savvy demographic I can imagine.

So, please, honestly, if you have solid science behind this, pony it up.

 

[Loudmouth]

Look young one you seem intelligent.

Research what I have posted and you will see.

I must get onto other threads now.

Carey, what you are suggesting is quack medicine. What you suggest is actually dangerous to people's health.

Let's start with infectious diseases, since I actually do research in this area. No matter what you do or do not eat, no matter how much time you spend reading the Bible, and no matter how many Hallelujahs you yell on Sundays it will not produce specific antibodies needed to fend of these infectious diseases. Vaccines train your immune system to produce antibodies, B-memory cells, and T-helper cells. This is what makes you immune to mumps (which can cause infertility in men), polio, tetanus toxin, pertussis toxin (whooping cough), varicella (chicken pox), small pox, and even human papillomavirus which is the cause of more than 50% of cervical cancers. If everyone followed your advice we would see a re-emergence of all of these infectious diseases, a re-emergence that would cripple our health care system.

Your ignorance is actually dangerous, dangerous to EVERYONE. Please pull your head out of the sand.

 

[FishFace]

Carey, what you are suggesting is quack medicine. What you suggest is actually dangerous to people's health.

Let's start with infectious diseases, since I actually do research in this area. No matter what you do or do not eat, no matter how much time you spend reading the Bible, and no matter how many Hallelujahs you yell on Sundays it will not produce specific antibodies needed to fend of these infectious diseases. Vaccines train your immune system to produce antibodies, B-memory cells, and T-helper cells. This is what makes you immune to mumps (which can cause infertility in men), polio, tetanus toxin, pertussis toxin (whooping cough), varicella (chicken pox), small pox, and even human papillomavirus which is the cause of more than 50% of cervical cancers. If everyone followed your advice we would see a re-emergence of all of these infectious diseases, a re-emergence that would cripple our health care system.

Your ignorance is actually dangerous, dangerous to EVERYONE. Please pull your head out of the sand.

Likewise, ignorance in England over the MMR-autism scare has caused a resurgence of mumps in schoolchildren - all because some irresponsible people put around scare stories about a link found in one trial out of many.
Discouraging people from having vaccinations causes deaths.

 

[Loudmouth]

Likewise, ignorance in England over the MMR-autism scare has caused a resurgence of mumps in schoolchildren - all because some irresponsible people put around scare stories about a link found in one trial out of many.
Discouraging people from having vaccinations causes deaths.

That's also a good example. Autism pseudoscience has led to an increase in whooping cough and several other childhood infectious diseases here in the states as well.

 

[Carey]

Carey, what you are suggesting is quack medicine. What you suggest is actually dangerous to people's health.

Let's start with infectious diseases, since I actually do research in this area. No matter what you do or do not eat, no matter how much time you spend reading the Bible, and no matter how many Hallelujahs you yell on Sundays it will not produce specific antibodies needed to fend of these infectious diseases. Vaccines train your immune system to produce antibodies, B-memory cells, and T-helper cells. This is what makes you immune to mumps (which can cause infertility in men), polio, tetanus toxin, pertussis toxin (whooping cough), varicella (chicken pox), small pox, and even human papillomavirus which is the cause of more than 50% of cervical cancers. If everyone followed your advice we would see a re-emergence of all of these infectious diseases, a re-emergence that would cripple our health care system.

Your ignorance is actually dangerous, dangerous to EVERYONE. Please pull your head out of the sand.

Vitamins and minerals are not dangerous they are what you get from food.

I will tell you a about a personal expeience of mine.

I was bitten on my thigh by a brown recluse spider
when I smashed and killed it.
The most powerful antibiotic in the world is the mineral silver. I simply soaked cotton balls and applied to the bite keeping them saturated with the silver for a few days. It swelled it itched butt never became a sore.
It healed and you cannot see where I was bitten no sign of scar because there was never a sore.

Look up pictures of what brown recluse bites do.


When you look up minerals look at the difference between angstrom and micron particle size in
production and the ffort it takes to get it to the smaller angstrom particle size. It has everything to do with the effectiveness.

 

[Loudmouth]

Vitamins and minerals are not dangerous they are what you get from food.

They don't protect you from many infectious diseases. Vaccines do.

I will tell you a about a personal expeience of mine.

I was bitten on my thigh by a brown recluse spider
when I smashed and killed it.
The most powerful antibiotic in the world is the mineral silver. I simply soaked cotton balls and applied to the bite keeping them saturated with the silver for a few days. It swelled it itched butt never became a sore.
It healed and you cannot see where I was bitten no sign of scar because there was never a sore.

Look up pictures of what brown recluse bites do.


When you look up minerals look at the difference between angstrom and micron particle size in
production and the ffort it takes to get it to the smaller angstrom particle size. It has everything to do with the effectiveness.

Heavy metal toxicity is not a good thing.

Also, antiobiotics are only secondarily effective with spider bites. The initial damage is done by the spider venom, especially the brown recluse which uses a necrotizing venome (it kills tissue). Infections usually occur in the dead tissue. Silver had nothing to do with it if the venom did not necrotize enough tissue.

Antibiotics are also very effective medications. In fact, many of these antibiotics are the product of evolution, such as streptomycin and penicillin.

If you really want to roll the dice with your own health, go for it but at least isolate yourself from the rest of the population. You can act as a carrier of several terrible infectious diseases, such as pertussis which is the cause of whooping cough. The reason that child mortality is at it's lowest in all of recorded history is because of vaccinations and antibiotics, not quacksalvers such as yourself.

I also find it interesting that the term "quack" comes from the old word quacksalver. This term is derived from people who used mercury to heal wounds (quicksilver, quacksalver). It is quite ironic that you suggest using heavy metals once again.

 

[Chalnoth]

I was bitten on my thigh by a brown recluse spider
when I smashed and killed it.
The most powerful antibiotic in the world is the mineral silver. I simply soaked cotton balls and applied to the bite keeping them saturated with the silver for a few days. It swelled it itched butt never became a sore.
It healed and you cannot see where I was bitten no sign of scar because there was never a sore.

Look up pictures of what brown recluse bites do.

It probably wasn't a brown recluse. The media around the brown recluse has been blown way out of proportion, and many people claiming to be bit these days are in areas where the brown recluse doesn't even live. Why, after all, would you even think it was a brown recluse if it didn't even cause a sore?

By the way, the swelling and itching might have easily been caused by the silver.

 

[Carey]

They don't protect you from many infectious diseases. Vaccines do.


Yes they can. Vaccines cannot.



Heavy metal toxicity is not a good thing.

Thats correct hence my suggestion you look at particle size.

Also, antiobiotics are only secondarily effective with spider bites. The initial damage is done by the spider venom, especially the brown recluse which uses a necrotizing venome (it kills tissue). Infections usually occur in the dead tissue. Silver had nothing to do with it if the venom did not necrotize enough tissue.

It made a my leg get a bump the size of a softball.
But the silver shrunk it and healed it in about 5 days.

Antibiotics are also very effective medications. In fact, many of these antibiotics are the product of evolution, such as streptomycin and penicillin.

Yes antibiotics are effective but not bearly as effective as clloidal silver broken down to angstrom size particles.
No side effects to silver there are many to antibiotics.
For example tetracyclin ruins your teeth . Penicilin can kill my mother that is why she wears that necklace so in case of emergency the western medicine quacks wont kill her with it.

If you really want to roll the dice with your own health, go for it but at least isolate yourself from the rest of the population. You can act as a carrier of several terrible infectious diseases, such as pertussis which is the cause of whooping cough. The reason that child mortality is at it's lowest in all of recorded history is because of vaccinations and antibiotics, not quacksalvers such as yourself.

I also find it interesting that the term "quack" comes from the old word quacksalver. This term is derived from people who used mercury to heal wounds (quicksilver, quacksalver). It is quite ironic that you suggest using heavy metals once again.