Pro-Lifers Read.

[SolomonVII]

Yeah but it's not like I would have cared. Because I wouldn't even have been aware of my own existance.

Christianity teaches otherwise. The faith cleary states that life does not end with the crucifixion, or death.
Contrarily death even enhances awareness, and we no longer see reality as through a glass darkly.

According to scripture, martyrs are very aware of their deaths through martydom and cry our for justice.

 

[anonymous1515]

15 year olds don't have the decision making process of a 30 year old, let alone a 20 year old.

Heck, I look back at myself 5 years ago and will admit I did some stupid things. I was an idiot as much as the next 15 year old girl. Maybe mine didn't involve abortion, but goodness, take some responsibility for one's actions. Don't rely on some weirdo to sanction abortion or pro-life sentiment for you. Make a choice, and stand by it.

And the highest percentage of women who undergo abortion are college-aged. So, unless this is Stephen Hawking we're trying to convince, the likelihood is that this Anonymous Woman you're trying to save is 22.

And I will pity her.
I pity people who aren't strong enough to make their own opinion that they have to rely on a FORUM such as this one.
If they have to rely on a forum like this, they obviously aren't mature enough to be having sex, let alone to raise a baby.

AMEN to that.

 

[anonymous1515]

One can deflect from the point of this debate but for me there is only one choice ,pro life,that is the choice,the freedom of choice that a woman has is the pro life choice.
The alternatives to abortion is clear.

What are you babbling about? The freedom of choice is a pro life choice?

If a pro-life stance were enforced by the government and the health care system, then there IS no freedom of choice. A pregnant woman would have no choice whether to have an abortion or not.

Also, consider this: if a pro-life stance were enforced, people would not stop having abortions. They would continue to have them, but would probably do it "underground." This, in turn, may result in unsanitary/unheathly/unsafe conditions.

 

[BAFRIEND]

What are you babbling about? The freedom of choice is a pro life choice?

If a pro-life stance were enforced by the government and the health care system, then there IS no freedom of choice. A pregnant woman would have no choice whether to have an abortion or not.

Also, consider this: if a pro-life stance were enforced, people would not stop having abortions. They would continue to have them, but would probably do it "underground." This, in turn, may result in unsanitary/unheathly/unsafe conditions.

Butcher babys and then state that it needs to be legal because if not then the murderers will not have sanitary or unhealthy conditions ?

LOL- I see it from the baby's point of view. Abortion is murderering children. Every abortion results in the murder of a child.

 

[anonymous1515]

Butcher babys and then state that it needs to be legal because if not then the murderers will not have sanitary or unhealthy conditions ?

I suppose YOU should decide who gets punished and who doesn't. You're probably in a good position to relieve God of some of his work...after all, you're doing his job for him, deciding who is evil and all.

Secondly, if you believe that mothers who choose to abort are murderers, thats fine. As I stated, it is up to God to judge them. But the thing is: why do you insist on exacerbating the problem? Why do you treat suffering with more suffering?

If you truly think that abortion is wrong, why would you want to introduce MORE suffering into the world by forcing mothers who choose to abort to do so in an unsafe manner?

 

[Trashionista]

Butcher babys and then state that it needs to be legal because if not then the murderers will not have sanitary or unhealthy conditions ?

LOL- I see it from the baby's point of view. Abortion is murderering children. Every abortion results in the murder of a child.

1. Your points will hold much more sway with the pro-choice side when you learn how to use the plural forms of the words you throw out there.

Baby becomes "babies". NOT babys.

2. That is a very real risk. If its under the eye of the government, and done in hospitals or health care facilities, that can be the matter of life and death for a mother.

Why would you fight so strongly for an unwanted fetus, but dismiss the fact that the mother could die if abortions were done in unhealthy conditions?

 

[anonymous1515]

1. Your points will hold much more sway with the pro-choice side when you learn how to use the plural forms of the words you throw out there.

Baby becomes "babies". NOT babys.

2. That is a very real risk. If its under the eye of the government, and done in hospitals or health care facilities, that can be the matter of life and death for a mother.

Why would you fight so strongly for an unwanted fetus, but dismiss the fact that the mother could die if abortions were done in unhealthy conditions?

my point exactly.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Why would you fight so strongly for an unwanted fetus, but dismiss the fact that the mother could die if abortions were done in unhealthy conditions?

do you state it as an 'unwanted fetus' to negate its value? It's already bad enough that women are blenderizing babies because they don't want to put their career on hold, don't want their parents to find out, aren't ready for a committed relationship, aren't ready for the responsibility, or a various host of other reasons.

What is the most common reason for an abortion? Since often times a woman chooses to have an abortion because of a bad decision she made with someone, should we allow her to continue on and make another bad one, one which results in the death of an innocent child, unwanted or not?

 

[anonymous1515]

do you state it as an 'unwanted fetus' to negate its value? It's already bad enough that women are blenderizing babies because they don't want to put their career on hold, don't want their parents to find out, aren't ready for a committed relationship, aren't ready for the responsibility, or a various host of other reasons.

What is the most common reason for an abortion? Since often times a woman chooses to have an abortion because of a bad decision she made with someone, should we allow her to continue on and make another bad one, one which results in the death of an innocent child, unwanted or not?

Do you think that women should be forced to suffer if they DO choose to have an abortion? Should they be subject to the risk of disease/death? What if they aren't Christian, and don't believe abortion to be wrong? Should they be punished for it?

Is it up to you or God to decide their punishment?

 

[tigercub]

Don't give up here.

You never know, some day your posts in here could save someone's life.

Maybe in another life in a better place someone will approach you and thank you for giving them a life.

And pro-choicers, just remember that your support in here could get someone killed in the womb.

By the same token; Pro-Lifers be aware that your choice could one day cost someone their life (medical scenario; mother must abort baby or both will lose lives. Refuses abortion due to being emotionally-blackmailed by Pro-Lifers; both die. Two lives lost) and Pro-Choicers be aware that your decision could save a life. Because being Pro-Choice is just that. Choice. Not Pro-Abortion.

God gave me a brain, I am making the choice to use it.

Life is not black and white, so why would anyone's stance (on something as important as a human life) be? Makes no sense to me.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Is it up to you or God to decide their punishment?

I'm not the judge. However, keeping silent on, or promoting the death of innocent children is just as bad as doing it myself.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

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2. That is a very real risk. If its under the eye of the government, and done in hospitals or health care facilities, that can be the matter of life and death for a mother.

Why would you fight so strongly for an unwanted fetus, but dismiss the fact that the mother could die if abortions were done in unhealthy conditions?

So you care more that a woman could kill her child in unhealthy conditions than you do of the child that she is killing? What kind of argument is that, really? Do you propose we give gloves to thieves so that they don't cut themselves while climbing in through our windows?

Allowing and accomodating abortion also opens the door to the factor of convenience, which also just happens to be the reason why most abortions are performed. Is that an oversight on your part?

One other point of legal abortions is that there are many cases in which the parents basically force their underage child to undergo one, since its such a simple and legal medical procedure. It sounds good, yet the consequences to the mother can be life-long and devastating. I know this happens.

To professing Christians, where is the compassion for life? Can we turn a blind eye to the greatest commandments? Our neighbors extend past the point of those who live next door.

Liberal Christians often state, "God is Love". If you believe this to be true, then what part of love involves the butchering of an innocent human life?

As Christians, we are supposed to dead to the world and alive in Christ, right? Give up the physical for the spiritual. Why are we so hung up on our careers, education, and comfort, that we are willing to kill for them?

 

[Trashionista]

So you care more that a woman could kill her child in unhealthy conditions than you do of the child that she is killing? What kind of argument is that, really? Do you propose we give gloves to thieves so that they don't cut themselves while climbing in through our windows?

Allowing and accomodating abortion also opens the door to the factor of convenience, which also just happens to be the reason why most abortions are performed. Is that an oversight on your part?

One other point of legal abortions is that there are many cases in which the parents basically force their underage child to undergo one, since its such a simple and legal medical procedure. It sounds good, yet the consequences to the mother can be life-long and devastating. I know this happens.

To professing Christians, where is the compassion for life? Can we turn a blind eye to the greatest commandments? Our neighbors extend past the point of those who live next door.

Liberal Christians often state, "God is Love". If you believe this to be true, then what part of love involves the butchering of an innocent human life?

As Christians, we are supposed to dead to the world and alive in Christ, right? Give up the physical for the spiritual. Why are we so hung up on our careers, education, and comfort, that we are willing to kill for them?

Abortion is far different to theft. And I don't understand the comparison. Even I, as the supposed liberal you've described, sees no validity in providing gloves.

The comparison just isn't there.

I also bolded the part I found interesting. I don't doubt that happens. But what about the parents who at best coerce their daughters to give birth, or at worst, force them to go through the pregnancy. Do you not think the social stigma that sadly, still exists, the physical changes so close to puberty, and what have you, don't have an equally undesirable effect?

Pregnancy in its worst situations are never cake walks. But that's not enough of an argument to ban abortion, or to ban adoption, or ban minors raising children. Maybe two of the aforementioned aren't the most desirable cases, but if one is for choice, they have to acknowledge that the choice of what happens should be up to the mother. And if she chooses abortion, I don't see why the state should'nt provide it in some capacity.

 

[Calliso]

By the same token; Pro-Lifers be aware that your choice could one day cost someone their life (medical scenario; mother must abort baby or both will lose lives. Refuses abortion due to being emotionally-blackmailed by Pro-Lifers; both die. Two lives lost) and Pro-Choicers be aware that your decision could save a life. Because being Pro-Choice is just that. Choice. Not Pro-Abortion.

God gave me a brain, I am making the choice to use it.

Life is not black and white, so why would anyone's stance (on something as important as a human life) be? Makes no sense to me.

Well said!

 

[Trashionista]

do you state it as an 'unwanted fetus' to negate its value? It's already bad enough that women are blenderizing babies because they don't want to put their career on hold, don't want their parents to find out, aren't ready for a committed relationship, aren't ready for the responsibility, or a various host of other reasons.

What is the most common reason for an abortion? Since often times a woman chooses to have an abortion because of a bad decision she made with someone, should we allow her to continue on and make another bad one, one which results in the death of an innocent child, unwanted or not?

Who says abortion is always a bad decision?

Besides the Bible. But again, not everyone nessecarily agrees with a religion's teaching, so why shouldn't that woman be allowed to choose what she does with her body? Why should faith come into play in all cases?

 

[lincolngreen50]

So you care more that a woman could kill her child in unhealthy conditions than you do of the child that she is killing? What kind of argument is that, really? Do you propose we give gloves to thieves so that they don't cut themselves while climbing in through our windows?

Allowing and accomodating abortion also opens the door to the factor of convenience, which also just happens to be the reason why most abortions are performed. Is that an oversight on your part?

One other point of legal abortions is that there are many cases in which the parents basically force their underage child to undergo one, since its such a simple and legal medical procedure. It sounds good, yet the consequences to the mother can be life-long and devastating. I know this happens.

To professing Christians, where is the compassion for life? Can we turn a blind eye to the greatest commandments? Our neighbors extend past the point of those who live next door.

Liberal Christians often state, "God is Love". If you believe this to be true, then what part of love involves the butchering of an innocent human life?

As Christians, we are supposed to dead to the world and alive in Christ, right? Give up the physical for the spiritual. Why are we so hung up on our careers, education, and comfort, that we are willing to kill for them?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Abortion is far different to theft. And I don't understand the comparison. Even I, as the supposed liberal you've described, sees no validity in providing gloves.

Whats the validity in the destroying of human life, then?

The comparison just isn't there.

only because you render the death of a human life as an unavoidable consequence instead of what it really is.

I also bolded the part I found interesting. I don't doubt that happens. But what about the parents who at best coerce their daughters to give birth, or at worst, force them to go through the pregnancy. Do you not think the social stigma that sadly, still exists, the physical changes so close to puberty, and what have you, don't have an equally undesirable effect?

undesirable how? That they learned a lesson in responsibility, and possibly gave up a child to adoption or whatever? I'd be happier knowing my child is being looked after and has a chance rather than in a dumpster full of medical waste.

Pregnancy in its worst situations are never cake walks. But that's not enough of an argument to ban abortion, or to ban adoption, or ban minors raising children. Maybe two of the aforementioned aren't the most desirable cases, but if one is for choice, they have to acknowledge that the choice of what happens should be up to the mother. And if she chooses abortion, I don't see why the state should'nt provide it in some capacity.

Right, the state should provide the means to kill the unwanted?

I do wonder one thing, how does your pro-choice stance coincide with your Christian beliefs? Do you think God approves of abortions, and if so, what leads you to believe that?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Who says abortion is always a bad decision?

It's not about whether it is always a bad decision, I was pointing out that most all abortions occur due to some sort of worldly and superficial reason, in comparison.

Besides the Bible. But again, not everyone nessecarily agrees with a religion's teaching, so why shouldn't that woman be allowed to choose what she does with her body? Why should faith come into play in all cases?

Because people put their beliefs into laws. I believe abortion is wrong, whats wrong with me applying that? Just because I live in a secular humanist society does not mean I have to embrace it's ideals. I was against abortion before I even started studying the bible, and I have seen first-hand the terrible aftermath that has come of it. I reference religion in this, however, because people involved in this disucssion are claiming Christianity, yet speaking against its most basic principles.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

Abortion is far different to theft. And I don't understand the comparison. Even I, as the supposed liberal you've described, sees no validity in providing gloves.

The comparison is not in the nature of the acts but in the understanding that both are wrong. Whether something is right or wrong depends on what people believe and therefore there are different understandings to what is right and wrong.

Besides the Bible. But again, not everyone nessecarily agrees with a religion's teaching, so why shouldn't that woman be allowed to choose what she does with her body? Why should faith come into play in all cases?

But as someone with a Christian icon who are you arguing for the religious or the secular?

 

[Trashionista]

Whats the validity in the destroying of human life, then?

only because you render the death of a human life as an unavoidable consequence instead of what it really is.
undesirable how? That they learned a lesson in responsibility, and possibly gave up a child to adoption or whatever? I'd be happier knowing my child is being looked after and has a chance rather than in a dumpster full of medical waste.

Right, the state should provide the means to kill the unwanted?

I do wonder one thing, how does your pro-choice stance coincide with your Christian beliefs? Do you think God approves of abortions, and if so, what leads you to believe that?

I don't believe God would approve of abortions.
I would not choose to undergo one.
However, you cannot apply that one singular view to the legal system.
People who feel the way I do, will choose not to.
But I feel if a woman wants it, she has that right - to have it done in a safe manner under basic, government standards.

I don't see what is so unbelievably difficult to understand in that viewpoint, but there you have it.