Pro-Lifers Read.

[April Angel]

We on average donate over 1500 a year in diapers and baby food. I have four kids.

So do I. But I'd bet that you did not have to give up your job to bring up your children. That is a sacrifice and humiliation mainly suffered by women. (Baby vs. Career - Baby is more important. That was my choice.)

Despite having four children myself (one handicapped), I would willingly adopt an unwanted baby. I would be only too pleased to accept a dear little baby into my home. However, these days it is virtually impossible to adopt a baby because there is a shortage of babies and somebody younger, better off, with a bigger house always gets offered the baby first.

That being said, part of being an adult is feeding and caring for your own children. Adults pay their own bills.

And this attitude does not help your pro-life argument one bit. Can you imagine how helpless a pregnant woman feels knowing that she has no-one to support her and no way to support herself once she has had the baby?

When it comes down to it, I really do not think that a pregnant woman should have to decide based on "I have to pay my own bills because I am an adult" whether she can afford to keep her baby or not. Bills and money should not be an issue where a baby's life is concerned. Women should not be made to feel that they are inferior beings for choosing to keep their babies and accepting money from others to help them until the child is big enough to be left in pre-school.

I would urge any pregnant woman reading this to try to remember what is important in this life. The creation of a child is more wonderful than most people's jobs. It is more important than money and bills. Do not feel humiliated by other people's attitudes. Accept the wonder of your being and do not destroy the life growing within you.

 

[BAFRIEND]

And this attitude does not help your pro-life argument one bit. Can you imagine how helpless a pregnant woman feels knowing that she has no-one to support her and no way to support herself once she has had the baby?

So they will kill the baby instead of having it and letting you adopt it.

Maybe she should have thought of that before getting pregnant. She has all the time in the world to sleep with everyone in the yellow pages but never anytime to go through the classifieds.

So do I. But I'd bet that you did not have to give up your job to bring up your children. That is a sacrifice and humiliation mainly suffered by women.

Well, you got me there, you see before my wife got pregnant- we planned it. And no my wife did not give up her job, we both altered our schedules and we both sacraficed opportunity one way or the other and put the kids first.

 

[April Angel]

So they will kill the baby instead of having it and letting you adopt it.

Maybe she should have thought of that before getting pregnant. She has all the time in the world to sleep with everyone in the yellow pages but never anytime to go through the classifieds.

Again, not really helping your pro-life argument. A bit too insulting: a tad misogynistic, methinks.

Well, you got me there, you see before my wife got pregnant- we planned it.

Indeed. However, some people who are "open to life" may not have planned it. (I know of some over in OBOB who were in this position.)

And no my wife did not give up her job, we both altered our schedules and we both sacraficed opportunity one way or the other and put the kids first.

It is great that you managed to do that. But not everyone is that lucky. Women who end up with children born very close together or with children who are handicapped do not have the luxury of being able to return to work. The same goes for women who find that they have been abandoned by the father of the child.

 

[BAFRIEND]

You know, I really refuse to believe that women are as irresponsible and stupid as many here are claiming.

Half the abortions that are being performed are done on women that have had one previously.

 

[Trashionista]

You know, I really refuse to believe that women are as irresponsible and stupid as many here are claiming.

Half the abortions that are being performed are done on women that have had one previously.

Don't put words in our mouths. None of the pro-choicers here have said women who get abortions are irresponsible or stupid.

You're the one who's made that false inferrance.

 

[SolomonVII]

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And this attitude does not help your pro-life argument one bit. Can you imagine how helpless a pregnant woman feels knowing that she has no-one to support her and no way to support herself once she has had the baby?...

In the end, people have to be willing to take on the responsibilities of being an adult.
Just as many fourteen and fifteen year olds not so many years ago couldn't wait to plunge into the adult world, and having a baby was the ticket, nowadays by the time that people enter their twenties and even thirties they are often cringing at the thought of actually having to take care of themselves, let alone having someone totally dependant upon them.

It is an extended childhood where people even in their twenties and thirties are still clinging to their own parents' teat, as often as not living in their parent's family home, and are afraid to take on all the burdens and responsibilities and thrills of being an actual adult.

Who lives in a village anymore? What it really takes to raise a child is an adult.

Abortion is just one more way that our rapidly greying 'adolescents' use to avoid becoming adults.

Only babies can't help themselves.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Well assuming she will actually be able to get that care that is great and you have a point there.

And about consequences the thing is the woman IS facing up to the consequences by having an abortion just the same as she would be if she had the baby then gave it up for adoption. Really once she is pregnant she really has no choice but to make a decision non of which may be appealing to her. Really for a pregnant woman there is no such thing as avoiding consequences. The moment she conceived that was her consequence.

The decision was made when the woman decided to have sex. Your fate is sealed unless you decide to play God and decide who lives and who dies, often times based on your own temporal financial situation. Where is the spirituality/respect for life? Do you not know that your treasures are stored up in heaven? Maybe some people need to eat ramen noodles for a while to realize that.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

That is a loudmouth response.
And the belief that abortion is murder depends on whether you consider life to begin at conception or not.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

Furthermore, paedophilia is a bigger issue. Have you ever really heard of a woman who gets an abortion, going out on murderous rampages? And I don't mean the one or two cases an pro-life organization will spin. But a real case where abortion can be fingered as the main culprit in a crime spree.

Yea, usually they are too depressed to do anything, or too drugged up from anti-depressants.

What about the number of victims of child molestation who could possibly go on to abuse other children? That's a much bigger threat than a woman terminating her pregnancy.

Who says a life is less important than a case of potential abuse? Does a person who grows up in a same-sex household possibly go on to be gay themselves? Just like with abortions, the ultimate responsibility for one's actions lies with the person committing them.

Its quite a loudmouth response, and I have no issue with saying I believe your view to be quite warped.

Yeah, what kind of God would allow for your career goals to be interfered with?

 

[Phinehas2]

Isn't it amazing how people try and justify something by citing something else that is bad. I dont agree with child molestation or abortion but I wouldn't claim paedophilia wasnt' that bad if one compares it with abortion. I would however claim that the paedophile and the victim can repent and recover, not so the foetus.

 

[April Angel]

In the end, people have to be willing to take on the responsibilities of being an adult.
Just as many fourteen and fifteen year olds not so many years ago couldn't wait to plunge into the adult world, and having a baby was the ticket, nowadays by the time that people enter their twenties and even thirties they are often cringing at the thought of actually having to take care of themselves, let alone having someone totally dependant upon them.

It is an extended childhood where people even in their twenties and thirties are still clinging to their own parents' teat, as often as not living in their parent's family home, and are afraid to take on all the burdens and responsibilities and thrills of being an actual adult.

And the world is the same place it was 30 years ago???

No, of course not. 30 years ago any fool could buy a house. Someone working in a menial job with an IQ of less than 80 could quite easily buy a house for less than £10,000 (less than 20,000 US dollars).

The trouble with young people today..... The main trouble with young people today is that they have to rely on their parents, they do not have any choice. That's why there are so many young people in homeless hostels or on the street. If their parents are too unpleasant or unhelpful, the young people have nowhere else to go.

In the UK, house prices are beyond the capabilities of most young people. You cannot get anything for less than £100,000. If you need to have a job as well, you are forced into the cities where you cannot even buy a one bedroom flat for less than £150,000.

So, pity the young people.

 

[Calliso]

And the world is the same place it was 30 years ago???

No, of course not. 30 years ago any fool could buy a house. Someone working in a menial job with an IQ of less than 80 could quite easily buy a house for less than £10,000 (less than 20,000 US dollars).

The trouble with young people today..... The main trouble with young people today is that they have to rely on their parents, they do not have any choice. That's why there are so many young people in homeless hostels or on the street. If their parents are too unpleasant or unhelpful, the young people have nowhere else to go.

In the UK, house prices are beyond the capabilities of most young people. You cannot get anything for less than £100,000. If you need to have a job as well, you are forced into the cities where you cannot even buy a one bedroom flat for less than £150,000.

So, pity the young people.

Exactly and while I would say staying at home into your 30's is definately pushing it I would say it is pretty normal to HAVE to stay home while you are in your 20's and going to college and trying to get a good enough job to support yourself. Like you said getting a house isn;t nearly as easy and cheap as it once was. In the states as well unless you wanna live ina crack neighborhood you will likely end up paying ALOT just for a small apartment. A house is out of the question for most young people in there 20's much less before then. Heck I was 19 when I graduated high school *and no I was never held back I went to an extra school thing between preschool and kindergarden because of a speech impediment.* But I guess according to some people I should have been out of the house right after high school.

But the point is many kids DO want to get out there into the world. Many of them are likely working parttime jobs or even full time jobs while goign to school to try and eventually afford to move out. And yes there are those that are lazy and donlt try but just because you see a 20 something year old living at home you can;t assume they are not trying to get out there in the world. It is just a lot more expensive to do so then it once was so kids have to stay home longer.

 

[MissLady]

You do realize though that it requires money to support onesself in todays world right? And I forgot to mention to that heck giving birth can cost a TON of money. I have heard it can potentially cost over a thousand dollars without insurance. And even if they have insurance it can still be expensive especially if there is any complications.

Also you mention getting a second job. Now if a woman is already having trouble keeping her job and is already having trouble getting hired..what makes you think she is going to be able to get a second job? I mean especially if she lives in an area where jobs are tight which are quite a few places in the world. I mean if you were the job interviewer/hirer who would you take? A person that could start right away and be there consistantly or a person that might have to leave potentially a few monthes in *especially if she has multiplies which require monthes of bed rest* and potentially might not be back for several monthes depending on the pregnancy and how the birth goes. Or if she already has a job she riskes losing it too. People have been cut for much less reasons.

As for not getting pregnant in the first place ideally that wouldn;t happen. But people do stupid andsilly things. I mean I bet many of these women probably greatly regret what they did. Many probably think "dang I was stupid why did I sleep with that guy? why did I let him make me beleieve he loved me? Or dang why did I drink too much that night? Or if only I had done this instead of that..and so on.

But yeah it is easy to dismiss all that if you wonlt ever be in the same situation for the same reasons I guess.

I am an unmarried woman who does not have children. I am not having sex until God grants me with a husband. I am jobless and insuranceless due to my health. But I can guarantee that if I ever got pregnant by say God forbid rape there is NOTHING that would make me kill my child. My mother is currently sacrificing for me as she has my whole life, even risking her life before I was born to get me here. All we have is my mother's disability to get by (her health is horrible) and the help of a few family members. But we trust God (despite getting aggravated at Him sometimes) to get us through. Any child that God would ever give me under any circumstance would be a blessing and I'd do whatever it took to bring that life into this world healthy. No matter what it costs to me money or health wise.

Granted I have wanted to be a mother my entire life and pray one day God grants me a good husband and beautiful children. Perhaps it's the women who never truly had that desperate desire that put themselves before their unborn children and abort.

 

[MissLady]

Sure, I'll help any young woman who needs help... in any way I can. 9 months out of a lifetime is not too much to ask in my opinion. I am sure that if you went to a church or a pro-life organisation there would be many hands offering to help...

Here's a link
http://www.ppl.org/pregnant.html

Amen!

 

[MissLady]

Dear Quirk,
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Life starts at conception, no conception = no life, conception will naturally lead to life. So abortion is terminating life. So I would consider abortion worse than say paedophilia, terminating life is even worse than kiddy fiddling.
How about that for a loudmouth response?

I'm gonna actually disagree there. IMO I think rape, esp. against children is worse than murder.

 

[MissLady]

Again, not really helping your pro-life argument. A bit too insulting: a tad misogynistic, methinks."

I'm going to agree. I'm sure not everyone that has abortions have indescriminate(sp) sex. However he does have a point that they should look for help, someone willing to adopt and such instead of hunting for an abortion clinic.



Indeed. However, some people who are "open to life" may not have planned it. (I know of some over in OBOB who were in this position.)

What is OBOB?



It is great that you managed to do that. But not everyone is that lucky. Women who end up with children born very close together or with children who are handicapped do not have the luxury of being able to return to work. The same goes for women who find that they have been abandoned by the father of the child.

I agree but still will never be convinced abortion should ever be an option.

 

[Calliso]

I agree but still will never be convinced abortion should ever be an option.

I donlt think we can assume that just because a woman gets an abortion that it means that she hasn;t looked at and carefully considered all her options first. I think as it has been sad before all the choices look pretty bad and a woman just has to pick the least bad choice for her personally out of a bunch of crappy choices.

 

[MissLady]

^^^ I'm not saying that some women don't consider other things before deciding on abortion. I just will never accept that abortion is ever TRULY the right choice. And I have seen/heard some very very dire circumstances in which I did feel some compassion for the woman but STILL refused to accept abortion was the right thing to do.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

I donlt think we can assume that just because a woman gets an abortion that it means that she hasn;t looked at and carefully considered all her options first. I think as it has been sad before all the choices look pretty bad and a woman just has to pick the least bad choice for her personally out of a bunch of crappy choices.

see that I do agree with. to an extent!

pick the least bad choice for her personally - that part I don't agree with. The least bad choice for her, for the baby, for the father, for the grandparents would be my position, and that position cannot include abortion when thinking of whats best for the baby.

 

[Calliso]

see that I do agree with. to an extent!

pick the least bad choice for her personally - that part I don't agree with. The least bad choice for her, for the baby, for the father, for the grandparents would be my position, and that position cannot include abortion when thinking of whats best for the baby.

Actually I would say that sometimes not being born is the best thing that could happen to a baby. It is a sad but true fact that some people are born into horrible lives that likely wish their parents had never chosen to have them. Life really sucks sometimes it is not always some wonderful blessing to be born.

 

[MissLady]

In the end, people have to be willing to take on the responsibilities of being an adult.
Just as many fourteen and fifteen year olds not so many years ago couldn't wait to plunge into the adult world, and having a baby was the ticket, nowadays by the time that people enter their twenties and even thirties they are often cringing at the thought of actually having to take care of themselves, let alone having someone totally dependant upon them.

It is an extended childhood where people even in their twenties and thirties are still clinging to their own parents' teat, as often as not living in their parent's family home, and are afraid to take on all the burdens and responsibilities and thrills of being an actual adult.

Who lives in a village anymore? What it really takes to raise a child is an adult.

Abortion is just one more way that our rapidly greying 'adolescents' use to avoid becoming adults.

Only babies can't help themselves.

This may be getting off topic but I find your post offensive. I'd personally love to be able to get out on my own and take care of myself and help my mother out in return for all she's done for me all my life. But circumstances beyond my control with my health have made that not possible right now. If you didn't mean people like me with true issues that can't control, I'm sorry if I jumped the gun.

I just get sick of seeing some people act like ALL adults that are still at home and jobless are lazy bums and total losers. I do know a lot cases where this is true but it's indeed not for everyone.