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[BAFRIEND]

Having an abortion is taking responsibility.

Especially with the obnoxious loudmouths who stand outside screaming an calling women "Abominations!" That doesn't help in the situation.

Having an abortion is avoidance of responsiblity. It is not love, it is hate.

You confuse obnoxious for outrage. Sorry if the response to chopping up a baby provokes a reaction from people who love children.

 

[April Angel]

I have been involved actively against abortion for over two decades. Most pro-lifers are women, not men. Do the research, that is a fact.

Having an abortion is avoidance of responsiblity. It is not love, it is hate.

You confuse obnoxious for outrage. Sorry if the response to chopping up a baby provokes a reaction from people who love children.

So, in your twenty years of being actively involved against abortion - how many children have you raised?

I ask this question because it is easy to make statements, like the ones you have made above from the safe perspective of someone who will never be in the position of having to give up their job to raise a child.

I am being serious here. I suggest, propose, that men such as you and Jet-A-Jockey should offer your services to some of these women who are thinking of having abortions. If more men put their money where their mouth was and were prepared to help women out on a practical level, thereby allowing the women to go back to work, then I am sure more lives would be saved.

 

[Calliso]

Think about this reasoning. Woman speaking to unborn child: You must die because I cannot risk losing my job. Unborn child: .... Woman: No comment? Okay now that we have an understanding.

Don't want the chance of accidentally getting pregnant? Don't do what causes it. That eliminates nearly all chance, of course assuming there is not rape.

Once again. Woman: Hey, I'd rather eliminate you than get a second job, since my problems are the most important.

Where is the humility in all this? Love your neighbor as yourself, but only when it doesn't conflict with your schedule?

You do realize though that it requires money to support onesself in todays world right? And I forgot to mention to that heck giving birth can cost a TON of money. I have heard it can potentially cost over a thousand dollars without insurance. And even if they have insurance it can still be expensive especially if there is any complications.

Also you mention getting a second job. Now if a woman is already having trouble keeping her job and is already having trouble getting hired..what makes you think she is going to be able to get a second job? I mean especially if she lives in an area where jobs are tight which are quite a few places in the world. I mean if you were the job interviewer/hirer who would you take? A person that could start right away and be there consistantly or a person that might have to leave potentially a few monthes in *especially if she has multiplies which require monthes of bed rest* and potentially might not be back for several monthes depending on the pregnancy and how the birth goes. Or if she already has a job she riskes losing it too. People have been cut for much less reasons.

As for not getting pregnant in the first place ideally that wouldn;t happen. But people do stupid andsilly things. I mean I bet many of these women probably greatly regret what they did. Many probably think "dang I was stupid why did I sleep with that guy? why did I let him make me beleieve he loved me? Or dang why did I drink too much that night? Or if only I had done this instead of that..and so on.

But yeah it is easy to dismiss all that if you wonlt ever be in the same situation for the same reasons I guess.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

So, in your twenty years of being actively involved against abortion - how many children have you raised?

I ask this question because it is easy to make statements, like the ones you have made above from the safe perspective of someone who will never be in the position of having to give up their job to raise a child.

I am being serious here. I suggest, propose, that men such as you and Jet-A-Jockey should offer your services to some of these women who are thinking of having abortions. If more men put their money where their mouth was and were prepared to help women out on a practical level, thereby allowing the women to go back to work, then I am sure more lives would be saved.

Sure, I'll help any young woman who needs help... in any way I can. 9 months out of a lifetime is not too much to ask in my opinion. I am sure that if you went to a church or a pro-life organisation there would be many hands offering to help...

Here's a link
http://www.ppl.org/pregnant.html

 

[Trashionista]

Having an abortion is avoidance of responsiblity. It is not love, it is hate.

You confuse obnoxious for outrage. Sorry if the response to chopping up a baby provokes a reaction from people who love children.

I love kids.

I just don't think every woman should have only one of two choices. Which is why I'm pro-choice - and abortion falls under that umbrella.

Please. Suggesting the pro-choicer are all heartless monsters takes away from the real issue.

 

[Trashionista]

removing responsibility. In most cases, the abortion is needed because of the lack of responsibility by those having sexual intercourse. What better than to scratch out (or in this case, crush and then suck out) the problem (result) after the fact?

Its quite possible to conceive even with all the contraceptive back up. You can be responsible while having sex, and end up pregnant.

Not that I agree with the approach, but it could be good to hear someone give a voice to those who cannot scream for help themselves yet.

They don't need to scream at women. No-one will take them seriously. Its just as undignified for someone to scream a viewpoint at a woman, as it for that woman to get an abortion.

 

[SolomonVII]

http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/

There is absolutely no reason that even those who do not want to change the abortion laws cannot join organizations for in support for life too.

Financial support for crisis pregnancies is a fine idea for anyone who can afford to give in this way. Emotional support for woman who choose life is a great thing too.

This is not just a good cause for people who want abortion to be outlawed to support. Pro-life is exactly that- it is for anyone who believes life to be the best choice!

So if people are really pro-choice, and the choice for life is deemed to be exceedingly difficult in certain cases, then it is especially contingent on a pro-choicer to make the choice for life as viable and as real a choice as is possible for everybody in every situation.

Information that shows just how human an embryo is is good information. Pro-choice people too can support this too.

Certainly, people that fight against legislation which offers all prospective mothers the option of a sonograph of their unborn inside is not only something that a pro-choice could support, but is something that a pro-choicer should support.
And to the extent that pro-lifers are shouted down for encouraging such legislation, we know that we are not really dealing with pro-choicers at all in these cases, but only with anti-life forces of nihilism.

It is contingent on pro-choice people, especially for pro-choice people who are of the Christian faith and therefore know better, to ensure that everything is done to ensure that life is always the better choice.

The common ground between the pro-choice and the pro-life then may be found in taking away the desparation surrounding crisis pregnancies. It may also be found in changing attitudes so that larger and larger sections of society begin to understand that what we are dealing with is not ectoplasmic tissue, but a fully human, absolutely valuable human life.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

So, in your twenty years of being actively involved against abortion - how many children have you raised?

I ask this question because it is easy to make statements, like the ones you have made above from the safe perspective of someone who will never be in the position of having to give up their job to raise a child.

I am being serious here. I suggest, propose, that men such as you and Jet-A-Jockey should offer your services to some of these women who are thinking of having abortions. If more men put their money where their mouth was and were prepared to help women out on a practical level, thereby allowing the women to go back to work, then I am sure more lives would be saved.

I actually work full time and help raise my 4 small children, 2 of whom are disabled. It's not easy, and I am willing to help others as much as I can. It's not like women just walk around talking about how they are getting abortions. Heck, teenage kids can get it done without their parents knowing or consenting.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

You do realize though that it requires money to support onesself in todays world right? And I forgot to mention to that heck giving birth can cost a TON of money. I have heard it can potentially cost over a thousand dollars without insurance. And even if they have insurance it can still be expensive especially if there is any complications.

I know all about the costs involved in having a child. Guess what? If a woman has low/no income, the government pays for most (if not all) of the expenses involved with doctor visits and childbirth. While enrolled in one of their programs, the woman will also have a case worker who helps her get whatever she needs, whether it be EBT (food stamps), cash, daycare, WIC (free coupons for milk, formula, etc). Yes you have to jump through a few hoops, to get these benefits, but they are there for those who need the help.

Also you mention getting a second job. Now if a woman is already having trouble keeping her job and is already having trouble getting hired..what makes you think she is going to be able to get a second job? I mean especially if she lives in an area where jobs are tight which are quite a few places in the world. I mean if you were the job interviewer/hirer who would you take? A person that could start right away and be there consistantly or a person that might have to leave potentially a few monthes in *especially if she has multiplies which require monthes of bed rest* and potentially might not be back for several monthes depending on the pregnancy and how the birth goes. Or if she already has a job she riskes losing it too. People have been cut for much less reasons.

I realize the amount of effort required to keep a job and be pregnant. It's hard enough just being pregnant, let alone try to work full time. It's just time for people to stop passing the buck, or sweeping their problems under the rug. You make a bad decision, you deal with it. If I chose to drink and drive, I could probably get away with it several times. But the one time I get caught, then I have a DUI. I can't just dump the DUI ticket in the trash and expect it to go away. No, there are consequences to actions. You take the chance, you own up to the responsibility if things turn out less than ideal.

As for not getting pregnant in the first place ideally that wouldn;t happen. But people do stupid andsilly things. I mean I bet many of these women probably greatly regret what they did. Many probably think "dang I was stupid why did I sleep with that guy? why did I let him make me beleieve he loved me? Or dang why did I drink too much that night? Or if only I had done this instead of that..and so on.

But yeah it is easy to dismiss all that if you wonlt ever be in the same situation for the same reasons I guess.

So because people do stupid and silly things, they should be ok and not deal with the consequences? By that line of thinking, we should make drunk driving legal since people do it anyway, right?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Its quite possible to conceive even with all the contraceptive back up. You can be responsible while having sex, and end up pregnant.

sure, and be responsible in the event that one does conceive, by taking care of what you've created.

This probably wouldn't be as much of an issue if people waited until they were either in a serious relationship or married before having sex.

They don't need to scream at women. No-one will take them seriously. Its just as undignified for someone to scream a viewpoint at a woman, as it for that woman to get an abortion.

Comparing someone yelling in outrage to the act of having a human life crushed and ripped to pieces is undignified.

 

[Calliso]

I know all about the costs involved in having a child. Guess what? If a woman has low/no income, the government pays for most (if not all) of the expenses involved with doctor visits and childbirth. While enrolled in one of their programs, the woman will also have a case worker who helps her get whatever she needs, whether it be EBT (food stamps), cash, daycare, WIC (free coupons for milk, formula, etc). Yes you have to jump through a few hoops, to get these benefits, but they are there for those who need the help.

I realize the amount of effort required to keep a job and be pregnant. It's hard enough just being pregnant, let alone try to work full time. It's just time for people to stop passing the buck, or sweeping their problems under the rug. You make a bad decision, you deal with it. If I chose to drink and drive, I could probably get away with it several times. But the one time I get caught, then I have a DUI. I can't just dump the DUI ticket in the trash and expect it to go away. No, there are consequences to actions. You take the chance, you own up to the responsibility if things turn out less than ideal.




So because people do stupid and silly things, they should be ok and not deal with the consequences? By that line of thinking, we should make drunk driving legal since people do it anyway, right?

Well assuming she will actually be able to get that care that is great and you have a point there.

And about consequences the thing is the woman IS facing up to the consequences by having an abortion just the same as she would be if she had the baby then gave it up for adoption. Really once she is pregnant she really has no choice but to make a decision non of which may be appealing to her. Really for a pregnant woman there is no such thing as avoiding consequences. The moment she conceived that was her consequence.

 

[Phinehas2]

Yes I agree with the OP.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

Having an abortion is taking responsibility.

Especially with the obnoxious loudmouths who stand outside screaming an calling women "Abominations!" That doesn't help in the situation.

Life starts at conception, no conception = no life, conception will naturally lead to life. So abortion is terminating life. So I would consider abortion worse than say paedophilia, terminating life is even worse than kiddy fiddling.
How about that for a loudmouth response?

 

[April Angel]

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[BAFRIEND]

So, in your twenty years of being actively involved against abortion - how many children have you raised?

I ask this question because it is easy to make statements, like the ones you have made above from the safe perspective of someone who will never be in the position of having to give up their job to raise a child.

I am being serious here. I suggest, propose, that men such as you and Jet-A-Jockey should offer your services to some of these women who are thinking of having abortions. If more men put their money where their mouth was and were prepared to help women out on a practical level, thereby allowing the women to go back to work, then I am sure more lives would be saved.

We on average donate over 1500 a year in diapers and baby food. I have four kids.

That being said, part of being an adult is feeding and caring for your own children. Adults pay their own bills.

 

[Trashionista]

Dear Quirk,
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Life starts at conception, no conception = no life, conception will naturally lead to life. So abortion is terminating life. So I would consider abortion worse than say paedophilia, terminating life is even worse than kiddy fiddling.
How about that for a loudmouth response?

That is a loudmouth response.
And the belief that abortion is murder depends on whether you consider life to begin at conception or not.

Furthermore, paedophilia is a bigger issue. Have you ever really heard of a woman who gets an abortion, going out on murderous rampages? And I don't mean the one or two cases an pro-life organization will spin. But a real case where abortion can be fingered as the main culprit in a crime spree.

What about the number of victims of child molestation who could possibly go on to abuse other children? That's a much bigger threat than a woman terminating her pregnancy.

Its quite a loudmouth response, and I have no issue with saying I believe your view to be quite warped.

 

[Trashionista]

sure, and be responsible in the event that one does conceive, by taking care of what you've created.

This probably wouldn't be as much of an issue if people waited until they were either in a serious relationship or married before having sex.

Who says they weren't in a serious relationship? Pregnancy after sex doesn't always keep a man.

Comparing someone yelling in outrage to the act of having a human life crushed and ripped to pieces is undignified.

It is undignified. Its no different than PeTA. The pro-life faction would have a lot more support if it wasn't so alienating in its tactics.

 

[Trashionista]

We on average donate over 1500 a year in diapers and baby food. I have four kids.

That being said, part of being an adult is feeding and caring for your own children. Adults pay their own bills.

And you're not a woman. You haven't had to deal with the agonizing situation many women are dealt.

 

[SolomonVII]

If it is really so agonizing a situation, it is knowledge of the issue of the termination of an actual human life that makes it so.

Nobody agonizes much over ectoplasmic tissue any more than they would over mucous or hangnails.

 

[Trashionista]

If it is really so agonizing a situation, it is knowledge of the issue of the termination of an actual human life that makes it so.

Nobody agonizes much over ectoplasmic tissue any more than they would over mucous or hangnails.

Shame and people screaming bloody murder outside abortion clinics has an effect.