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[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

That's opinion, not fact.

Then it must be fact for me and opinion for you.

Sorry chief.
Again, where is this scientific basis you claim to have?

Its ninth grade science.

You really have no say in regards to what happens to the contents or lack there-of of my uterus.

Without sperm and egg conception you wouldnt even have a uteris.

I'll tell the cop who stops me for speeding.. sorry mate you have no right to tell me how fast I can go in my car. we will see what happens.

 

[Archivist]

If you can prove where outside of sperm and egg conception life begins then ok, but if someone were to claim they were a no 47 bus I would not start believing in the possibility that buses can write on forums.

I have given examples as to where life begins--quickening and birth. Both have been recognized throughout history. You simply ignore anything that agrees with your opinion.

You responses show me you cant give any examples as all the examples you give depend firstly on sperm/egg conception.

There is little point in continuing this discussion, because you don't bother reading what is written. As proof of this, I have asked you several questions in the course of this thread. You have not answered any of them.

Ok so you think those who disagree withyou are insulting you.

Please show me where I said that? Disagreement is fine--that is, in many cases, the purpose of these threads. However, when you start saying that those who disagree with you are out of touch with reality that goes beyond disagreement--it is simply rude. That isn't the sort of behavior that is condoned by scripture.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear archivist,

I have given examples as to where life begins--quickening and birth. Both have been recognized throughout history. You simply ignore anything that agrees with your opinion.

Alas I am unable to accept that either occur without first having sperm+egg conception which I believe is where life starts. Furthermore the word of God says God knows us in the womb.and even before. There are more than a few places this is made clear in the Bible. not just Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Sorry but I believe life starts at conception so abortion is terminating life, and I cant support terminating someone God knows in the womb so we have to disagree both on a biological and faith matter. My God is a God of justice and of love

 

[Trashionista]

Dear Quirk,
Then it must be fact for me and opinion for you.

Its ninth grade science.

Without sperm and egg conception you wouldnt even have a uteris.

I'll tell the cop who stops me for speeding.. sorry mate you have no right to tell me how fast I can go in my car. we will see what happens.

That sperm and egg meet creating zygote is ninth grade basic science fact.

But please explain then why, as someone who went to Catholic school, wasn't told in SCIENCE class that it was equal to a 30 year old male?

BECAUSE ITS AN OPINION. Its not fact.

Also, that speeding comparison is one of your worst. Well done.

Speeding causes accidents.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

But please explain then why, as someone who went to Catholic school, wasn't told in SCIENCE class that it was equal to a 30 year old male?

It is still a life, but I wouldn’t say it was equal in development.
You know what the Catholic position is, maybe your school didnt teach this properly.

Speeding causes accidents.

No its doesn’t, crashing causes accidents, if one speeds and avoids obstacles one doesn’t crash. So why the speed limit? But this wasn’t your point. Your point was about one’s right to do what one wants…. Which is the attitude you cant force your ‘opinion’ on me, I have a right to live according to my ‘opinion’

The issue here is about whether this is life and death. Pro-life clearly believe it is and pro-abortion clearly don’t.

 

[Archivist]

Alas I am unable to accept that either occur without first having sperm+egg conception which I believe is where life starts. Furthermore the word of God says God knows us in the womb.and even before. There are more than a few places this is made clear in the Bible. not just Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

And as I have repetedly said, you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to my opinion. The difference between us is that I will not insult you by saying that you are out of touch with reality because of your opinion.

Sorry but I believe life starts at conception so abortion is terminating life, and I cant support terminating someone God knows in the womb so we have to disagree both on a biological and faith matter.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion.

My God is a God of justice and of love

So is mine.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear archivist,

And as I have repetedly said, you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to my opinion. The difference between us is that I will not insult you by saying that you are out of touch with reality because of your opinion.

Am I? Oh good, I am glad I am entitled to my opinion, but what the word of God says in the Bible is not my opinion, it is God’s. and it says that God knows us in the womb and before we are born
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart”
So even under your logic my opinion is in line with God and yours isnt.

So is mine.

According to mine I don’t think your is.

 

[Archivist]

Am I?

Have you read my previous posts? I have said several times that you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to my opinion and others are entitled to their opinions.

Oh good, I am glad I am entitled to my opinion, but what the word of God says in the Bible is not my opinion, it is God’s.

But your interpretation of Scripture is your opinion. Others may have equally valid interpretations. If one believes that life beigns at quickening, that is still when the fetus is in the womb. At no point does Scripture say that life begins at conception, therefore both interpretations are equally valid.

and it says that God knows us in the womb and before we are born

And as I noted above, quickening occurs when the fetus is still in the womb. However, I am not going to claim that you are out of touch with reality, as you did with me. Once again, you are entitled to your opinion which is no more or less valid tahn my opinion.

So even under your logic my opinion is in line with God and yours isnt.

My opinion is as valid as your opinion.

According to mine I don’t think your is.

There is only one God. My God tells me to do unto others as I would like to have done unto myself, which is why I have not insulted you or told you that your opinion is invalid.

 

[tapero]

closed for review

too many rule vios, so cool down and some clean up will need occur possibly