Hi Suede and all,
Here is thought or two for you all.
The phrase "the day of the Lord" is referred to many times.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
I don't know of any place that "the day of the Lord" in the new testament isn't talking about the wrath of God or a time of trouble that is coming up.
"Lord's Day" should mean the same thing as "day of the Lord." I, personnally, talk about the Lord's Day being Sunday, some say Saturday I guess and biblically it is the seventh day or the sabbath or day of rest,etc but nowhere have I ever seen a clear reference where it was called the "Lord's Day" back then.
If the Lord's day is the same as Day of the Lord, and grammatically it would be in the English language,...WHEN did John SEE the vision? Rev 1:10.
WHEN John WROTE the Book of Revelation is irrelevent, it is when John SAW the vision. Note John was "in the spirit" that day as well...........
Remember John was in Heaven being told this story by an angel for most of the time...what makes anybody think mortal man down here on earth would be privy to any of this?
I'd be interested in verses that anyone has that would confirm or deny this 'lord's day' thing.
What about the guy who fourteen years ago saw Heaven, whether in the body or out of the body ............................???????????????????
As far as the biblical timeframe of when the great tribulation was consider this.
The great tribulation followed an abomination appearing in the Holy place. Hebrews 9 will tell you where the 'holy place' was and it was in the temple. It ceased to exist on earth in 70 AD.
When the people saw this abomination they were to flee Judea...Judea also ceased to exist as a district in 70 AD. Any time of distress that qualifies for the God given name "great tribulation" has to be followed immediately by a celestial display which includes the parousia, or the coming of the son of man.
There are countless verses where Jesus said He would return at the time of the destruction of the temple and none that mention the holocaust.....
The OLivet tells us that ALL these things would happen in THIS generation.....the great tribulation is in there and the Parousia is in there and the 'end' is in there and the destruction of the temple HAS to be in there, that is what this whole thing is about. It is a given that the destruction was back there, and the 'end of the ages', well that is here:
Hebrews 9\
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself
Jesus did not return as many modern day christian groups say that He would, but that just makes them wrong, not Jesus.
Justme
Here is thought or two for you all.
The phrase "the day of the Lord" is referred to many times.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
I don't know of any place that "the day of the Lord" in the new testament isn't talking about the wrath of God or a time of trouble that is coming up.
"Lord's Day" should mean the same thing as "day of the Lord." I, personnally, talk about the Lord's Day being Sunday, some say Saturday I guess and biblically it is the seventh day or the sabbath or day of rest,etc but nowhere have I ever seen a clear reference where it was called the "Lord's Day" back then.
If the Lord's day is the same as Day of the Lord, and grammatically it would be in the English language,...WHEN did John SEE the vision? Rev 1:10.
WHEN John WROTE the Book of Revelation is irrelevent, it is when John SAW the vision. Note John was "in the spirit" that day as well...........
Remember John was in Heaven being told this story by an angel for most of the time...what makes anybody think mortal man down here on earth would be privy to any of this?
I'd be interested in verses that anyone has that would confirm or deny this 'lord's day' thing.
What about the guy who fourteen years ago saw Heaven, whether in the body or out of the body ............................???????????????????
As far as the biblical timeframe of when the great tribulation was consider this.
The great tribulation followed an abomination appearing in the Holy place. Hebrews 9 will tell you where the 'holy place' was and it was in the temple. It ceased to exist on earth in 70 AD.
When the people saw this abomination they were to flee Judea...Judea also ceased to exist as a district in 70 AD. Any time of distress that qualifies for the God given name "great tribulation" has to be followed immediately by a celestial display which includes the parousia, or the coming of the son of man.
There are countless verses where Jesus said He would return at the time of the destruction of the temple and none that mention the holocaust.....
The OLivet tells us that ALL these things would happen in THIS generation.....the great tribulation is in there and the Parousia is in there and the 'end' is in there and the destruction of the temple HAS to be in there, that is what this whole thing is about. It is a given that the destruction was back there, and the 'end of the ages', well that is here:
Hebrews 9\
26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself
Jesus did not return as many modern day christian groups say that He would, but that just makes them wrong, not Jesus.
Justme
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