President Biden vows to 'shut down the border' if Congress passes bipartisan deal

[SimplyMe]

"It" from fifty years ago was a different crisis. Today's crisis is cartel-based sex trafficking and drug dealing and slave labor and overrun and overburdened U.S. cities crisis of epic proportions. This is because: 1) Joe Biden urged people to come. 2) Joe and administration officials disobeyed the border laws. 3) Joe got rid of the Trump administration polices, whether E.O. or not.

Joe has taken the money that is supposed to be for border security and used it to process more illegals into the country. He has thwarted efforts to curb the tide, such as not patching holes in the border wall and refusing to sell rusting wall sections to states, vilifying Border patrol agents for "whipping" migrants even when he it was not so, and even cutting wire so more illegals could get in. Joe and Mayorkas betrayed the public and their actions have resulted in more rapes, child trafficking, and deaths by drugs. Their end goal is to get as many in as possible, this would mean more votes and more seats in Congress for Democrats.

Not really. The only "cartel" difference is that 50 years ago, much of it was Columbian cartels trying to bring cocaine across the border and marijuana coming Mexico and Central American areas. I'd say you are kidding yourself, but it is likely more cherry picking to try and make political points.

Let's also not pretend that Trump was anymore effective at shutting down the Fentanyl crisis than Biden has been. In 2016, the last year before Trump took office, there were only 19,413 Fentanyl deaths. Even if we ignore 2020, when there were 56,516 Fentanyl deaths (almost three times the number as when Trump took office) there were still 36,359 deaths from Fentanyl. This is an area where Trump was as bad, if not worse, than Biden has been. In fact, while Fentanyl deaths still increased last year it only went up by 4.3% -- the lowest annual increase since before Trump took office in 2017.

 

[Hank77]

Well there is still the issue of allowing 5,000 entries a day in the latest proposal

I found this article with a statement from Sen. Lankford -R- OK. It is supposed to be a better explanation of the bill.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/01/28/gop_sen_lankford_some_republicans_wont_support_border_deal_because_its_a_presidential_election_year.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

[BPPLEE]

I found this article with a statement from Sen. Lankford -R- OK. It is supposed to be a better explanation of the bill.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/01/28/gop_sen_lankford_some_republicans_wont_support_border_deal_because_its_a_presidential_election_year.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Senator Kennedy says there is no bill. He’s heard it says this and that but no one has seen it. He said produce it, let’s read it, then we can vote on it

 

[Valletta]

Senator Kennedy says there is no bill. He’s heard it says this and that but no one has seen it. He said produce it, let’s read it, then we can vote on it

The big legislative travesty here is the refusal by the Senate to adopt H.R. 2. But yes, why not let the American people see what is in the bill rather than tell us what supposedly is in the bill?

 

[Hank77]

Senator Kennedy says there is no bill. He’s heard it says this and that but no one has seen it. He said produce it, let’s read it, then we can vote on it

Hmm.. here is the only quote I found without really searching harder.

Sen. John Kennedy says "no way" the border/Ukraine deal passes Congress before the Feb. recess (starts in 9 days) “If they drop this bill and try to rush it through in four to five days, people will pick up their pitchforks. I think it will take several weeks of discussion”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1752833451667935239

 

[BPPLEE]

Hmm.. here is the only quote I found without really searching harder.

Sen. John Kennedy says "no way" the border/Ukraine deal passes Congress before the Feb. recess (starts in 9 days) “If they drop this bill and try to rush it through in four to five days, people will pick up their pitchforks. I think it will take several weeks of discussion”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1752833451667935239

He said it in an interview

 

[Arcangl86]

The big legislative travesty here is the refusal by the Senate to adopt H.R. 2.

Why should they adopt a bill they don't agree with? Especially one that will certainly be vetoed?

But yes, why not let the American people see what is in the bill rather than tell us what supposedly is in the bill?

Because they haven't come to an agreement on the text of the bill yet. Once they do they will publish and debate it in the Senate.

 

[BPPLEE]

Why should they adopt a bill they don't agree with? Especially one that will certainly be vetoed?

Because they haven't come to an agreement on the text of the bill yet. Once they do they will publish and debate it in the Senate.

Then why all the hoopla about the Republicans refusing to pass a bill, not wanting to do anything about the border and listening to Trump?

 

[Arcangl86]

Then why all the hoopla about the Republicans refusing to pass a bill, not wanting to do anything about the border and listening to Trump?

Because the Democrats in the Senate are trying to work to pass a bill they would be happy with, and Trump is saying kill it no matter what's in it. Not to mention certain legislatures openly saying they don't want to give Biden a legislative victory now.

 

[Mayzoo]

The big legislative travesty here is the refusal by the Senate to adopt H.R. 2. But yes, why not let the American people see what is in the bill rather than tell us what supposedly is in the bill?

I believe this is the bill, but I could be wrong.

https://escobar.house.gov/uploadedfiles/the_dignity_act_of_2023_one_pager.pdf

 

[BPPLEE]

Because the Democrats in the Senate are trying to work to pass a bill they would be happy with, and Trump is saying kill it no matter what's in it. Not to mention certain legislatures openly saying they don't want to give Biden a legislative victory now.

You just said “Because they haven't come to an agreement on the text of the bill yet. Once they do they will publish and debate it in the Senate.” How can you say what anyone is doing if they haven’t even seen the bill and debated?
What Trump said is that no deal would be better than a bad deal.

 

[Arcangl86]

I believe this is the bill, but I could be wrong.

https://escobar.house.gov/uploadedfiles/the_dignity_act_of_2023_one_pager.pdf

That's not. The link is to a bill that was introduced in the House last year but has not been acted upon. Reading the summary I actually like it quite a bit because it does a lot to try and actually address the causes of the crisis.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Why is that? Could it be that the Speaker has no interest in helping solve the immigration issue?

Could be.

Or maybe House Republicans won't support any legislation until after the election?

Possibly.

Or maybe they are simply incapable of negotiating an agreement with the other side of the aile.

Perhaps the Democrats aren't offering any solutions.

Define a border that is :

Safe

Secure

Closed

.....and explain how those goals will be achieved without passing legislation to, for example, revise asylum laws,

Is this on the table? Will we start rejecting asylum seekers under a Democratic Party administration? Is that what is being offered?

 

[Arcangl86]

You just said “Because they haven't come to an agreement on the text of the bill yet. Once they do they will publish and debate it in the Senate.” How can you say what anyone is doing if they haven’t even seen the bill and debated?

Because bills don't appear out of thin air. They are often negotiated first by small groups before being officially introduced and then publically debated on.

What Trump said is that no deal would be better than a bad deal.

No, what he said was that he would fight the deal every step of the way, even though we have no idea what's in it.

 

[rambot]

i like this move. Biden trying to for bipartisan IF Republicans actually deem this to be an issue that should be resolved (or at least make some kind of improvement...or, if nothing else ACTION).

But we all know they don't really want anything to change in the near future.

 

[Valletta]

I believe this is the bill, but I could be wrong.

https://escobar.house.gov/uploadedfiles/the_dignity_act_of_2023_one_pager.pdf

Thanks, but that is a summary of what someone says is in the bill. I see no mention of the Ukraine or Israel. H.R. 2 is still out there, this Senate bill is dead on arrival with the House. Joe Biden has the power to close the border today. The Immigration and Nationality Act, (212)f allows Joe to “suspend the entry of all aliens" whose entry he finds "would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”

 

[BPPLEE]

Because bills don't appear out of thin air. They are often negotiated first by small groups before being officially introduced and then publically debated on.

No, what he said was that he would fight the deal every step of the way, even though we have no idea what's in it.

He said what I quoted he said, I saw and heard it. He may have said what you say also, Don’t just say “No.” because that makes you wrong

 

[Arcangl86]

Thanks, but that is a summary of what someone says is in the bill. I see no mention of the Ukraine or Israel. H.R. 2 is still out there, this Senate bill is dead on arrival with the House. Joe Biden has the power to close the border today. The Immigration and Nationality Act, (212)f allows Joe to “suspend the entry of all aliens" whose entry he finds "would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”

That means they can be found to be inadmissible, which means they cannot legally enter. It doesn't override asylum claims.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That means they can be found to be inadmissible, which means they cannot legally enter. It doesn't override asylum claims.

Perhaps you haven't noticed...but nobody enforces any nation's decision to allow or refuse asylum.

Most of these people are passing through multiple nations and not applying for asylum.

We can definitely wholesale reject everyone who hasn't applied elsewhere and justify it at this point.

 

[Valletta]

That means they can be found to be inadmissible, which means they cannot legally enter. It doesn't override asylum claims.

No one said it did. That's just one thing Joe can do. What Joe has done in many cases is pull border patrol from the border so they can process more immigrants--which has the added effect of leaving an unsecured area where more can enter. If Joe gets more money I expect him to use it to process more illegals to enter our country. Joe has not done all he can--that is an obvious lie. Our country is being destroyed, the criminals and terrorists from foreign countries see the United States today as the promised land where they can get away with whatever they desire.