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Are you saying that the Bride is in heaven until after the Millennium and not on earth during it? and if yes, then who are the overcomers that reign with Christ here on earth during the Millennium? and why are they not part of the Bride? If these are your beliefs where did you get them from?
No offense Jen but I was asking Ghost air, I don't even read your post I just skim through them in shock and amazement.
A real mind blower isn't it LLoJ ? The sad thing is, the Devil is busy spreading the spirit of confusion. He would like nothing better then the church to not see the truth, and he has been very successful so far. People are enterpreting the bible like they read the morning paper..mostly head and not what the Spirit is saying. I would personally like to see you get out of the OC and into the NT. People think that I am nuts for posting this topic. I think that it will fit in with what happens to them in the last days right before Christ returns. Revelation does mention people "beheaded" for the witness of Jesus and the Word of their testimony. Will those who thought that they were going to escape be able to refuse the mark if it comes to being beheaded, or will they be in shock that they are in this situation? Recall that John the Baptist knew Jesus and even prepared His way, and even he was beheaded. Many of us may be faced with this senerio, but we post trib believers know what can happen as we know that we will be in the midst of it. There will always be differences in Theology/Eschatology, but I believe that some are down right avoidable lies that can be rectified through prayer for the Holy Spirits understanding.Wow. You mean someone would actually come here and give false beliefs and views!!!! Tell me it isn't so.......
Not even Enoch ?
Are you suggesting that only those who are post trib believers can spiritually discern these things Nana ?
Gods judgment wasn't going on when God took Enoch. The bible states that Enoch walked with God: and he was not.
Evidently when it comes to believing post trib. Pre-trib believers can't see it, so what other explanation could there be unless God is blinding part of the church OR Satan has people believing a lie? I'll go with the latter as God isn't into lies, but Satan is the Father of lies. Post trib in the bible is as plain as a wart on a Frogs hiney. Pre-tribbers are comfortable in their belief of a pre-trib rapture, and I would venture a guess that they want to stay there. God doesn't expect us to be comfortable in anything but our salvation. Anything else stunts our Christian growth, and believing lies is not beneficial but can be hurtful. We are warriors in Christ, otherwise we wouldn't be told to put on the whole armour of God..Eph 6: 11-17 ~ Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Or maybe it is as simple as we believe what the Bible says rather than man made doctrines.Maybe it is because they cannot spiritually discern these things.
Maybe it is because they cannot spiritually discern these things.
Post trib believers don't believe that we are caught up after the wrath!!! What nonsense and NO decernment!! As I have stated umpteen times, the Day of the Lord and catching up are on the same day. We are gone right before the wrath at the last and seventh angel in Revelation 10:7 ... But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Of course not. I've changed my stance on the wrath aspect after looking at this closer. We participate with Christ in the wrath. Rev 19 is right after the resurrection and catching up of those who are still alive and remain AFTER the tribulation. Those coming back with Christ in linen on those horses are the Saints who were just redeemed from the earth. We don't go to heaven first, but come right back down to destroy the beast and false prophet from the air that we were just caught up into....Day of the Lord...one day event. We are part of that fight with Christ... Rev 19:14 ~ And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Oh, that is why when you first came on here you were asking all kinds of questions. Excuse me, I didn't know that you had finally arrived. Most readers of the Word have changed their minds probably more then once when studying the bible. I sure have.It seemed to me that you couldn't imagine how any pre-trib person could not see the post trib position and that they must lack spiritual discernment - and now you're changing your position ?
Is that like refining your spiritual discernment ?
At least I have enough discernment and understanding to know that we don't leave this earth until after the tribulation
. Like I stated before, when the last and 7th angel begins to sound the trumpet in Rev 10:7, the resurrection and catching away are beginning. When the last angel sounds the trumpet in Rev 11:15, it's a done deal. Like I said, it's the Day of the Lord, a one day event. From Rev 10:7 thru Rev 11:15 is the coming of Christ to get the saints. The wrath doesn't begin until Rev 11:18. In Rev 19, we are coming back to fight the beast and his armies. It's all the same time frame from Rev 10 thru 19 when the beast and false prophet are finally thrown in the lake of fire. When we are fighting the beast armies in Rev 19, that is still part of the wrath..the end of it. We don't go through the bowls of wrath since we are out of here in Rev 11:15 totally, in the air waiting to come back down and fight in Rev 19.It seemed to me that you couldn't imagine how any pre-trib person could not see the post trib position and that they must lack spiritual discernment - and now you're changing your position ?
Is that like refining your spiritual discernment ?
If so, then gee whiz... you must have lacked it prior to changing your position.
There's a problem with your position change imo, in case you're not aware of it.
You're saying that Rev 19 is the rapture. Revelation 19 also speaks of the destruction of the beast and of his false prophet, which you have stated.
We are told in Rev 16 that the wrath of God is poured out upon the seat of the beast and upon those who have his mark and who worship his image. I would suggest that this clearly places the wrath of God upon the beast and the earth before the events of Revelation 19 take place - because he is not destroyed until Christ COMES, as Rev 19 says.
So because you are saying that the saints are not caught up with Christ until He comes and the beast is destroyed, this obviously places the church on earth when the bowls of wrath are being poured out by God's angels.
