Pre-Trib Belief If Post Is Correct/Problems?

[visionary]

I mean let's face it... not ONE SINGLE member of the body of Christ has gone through the great tribuation. That does not mean that they will not have tribulation, because many aspects of our life are trials etc.

But it's not the great tribuation, it's not the time of Jacob's trouble. It's not the same as going through the time of testing that is coming upon the world. We are in the world, but we're not of the world. Our citizenship is in heaven.

IMO, the unpreparedness argument is silly at best. All members of Christ's church are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise which is the earnest of their inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession. Regardless of what the world can throw at us, it can not separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The unpreparedness argument must assume that God can lose those whom He Himself has sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ever wonder what the great delusion is... or the lie.. or the fact that

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Lies never help anyone live in the truth... nor help them stay under the saving wings of our redeemer. Lies means that the Holy Spirit of promise was talking to a seared conscience..

1 Timothy 4:2
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Kind of hard to get through... to convert.. to tranform... and be renewed

Ephesians 4:23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Ever study lies and the ill effects they have?? The long term effects of lies and those that believe them is more detrimental than most people imagine. But for the sake of a church, the pastor, the theology, etc, millions of people will follow blindly.

Our purpose is higher than saying you are wrong we are right.. our purpose is preparedness for which ever may come.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

This post is truer than you think, posttribers are not infalible, however the Bible clearly teaches the possttrib rapture and those that cannot see it are being blinded by satan, and it is my hope that they will one day allow the blinders to be removed so that they can see the truth.

Exactly!! I think one reason that they get so "testy" is because Satan doesn't want to let go where they can see the truth, OR, they aren't really secure in their belief in the timing of Christs return OR BOTH.

 

[Ghost air]

Ever wonder what the great delusion is... or the lie.. or the fact that

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Lies never help anyone live in the truth... nor help them stay under the saving wings of our redeemer. Lies means that the Holy Spirit of promise was talking to a seared conscience..

1 Timothy 4:2
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Kind of hard to get through... to convert.. to tranform... and be renewed

Ephesians 4:23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Ever study lies and the ill effects they have?? The long term effects of lies and those that believe them is more detrimental than most people imagine. But for the sake of a church, the pastor, the theology, etc, millions of people will follow blindly.

Our purpose is higher than saying you are wrong we are right.. our purpose is preparedness for which ever may come.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

OK, now our conscience has been seared. Now that's something new I learned on this thread.

So far from the post-tribbers, I've learned that they have special revelation from God. Those who disagree with them are deceived already by Satan's lies. They cannot be wrong on the matter of the rapture of the church. And now our conscience is seared with a hot iron.

How edifying.

I think that the greatest deception of all is in the claim that you folks can't be wrong in this matter. You might as well be God, because He alone has perfect understanding in all things.

But I digress. Again, God Bless !

Ghost air

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Ever wonder what the great delusion is... or the lie.. or the fact that

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Lies never help anyone live in the truth... nor help them stay under the saving wings of our redeemer. Lies means that the Holy Spirit of promise was talking to a seared conscience..

1 Timothy 4:2
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Kind of hard to get through... to convert.. to tranform... and be renewed

Ephesians 4:23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Ever study lies and the ill effects they have?? The long term effects of lies and those that believe them is more detrimental than most people imagine. But for the sake of a church, the pastor, the theology, etc, millions of people will follow blindly.

Our purpose is higher than saying you are wrong we are right.. our purpose is preparedness for which ever may come.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

This is true visionary. I agree also that we should be prepared at all times..but I still want to give Satan a black eye for spreading this deceit. If I can get just one to see this deception, I will be elated . I think it would help a lot for those who are unsure to diligently seek God on what the truth is. He does open the eyes of the blind..and not just literally but Spiritually He did me.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

OK, now our conscience has been seared. Now that's something new I learned on this thread.

So far from the post-tribbers, I've learned that they have special revelation from God. Those who disagree with them are deceived already by Satan's lies. They cannot be wrong on the matter of the rapture of the church. And now our conscience is seared with a hot iron.

How edifying.

I think that the greatest deception of all is in the claim that you folks can't be wrong in this matter. You might as well be God, because He alone has perfect understanding in all things.

But I digress. Again, God Bless !

Ghost air

God Himself through His Word says that the rapture is at the posttrib 2nd coming of Christ, we do not have to be God to realize that this is the undeniable truth, we just have to believe God.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

OK, now our conscience has been seared. Now that's something new I learned on this thread.

So far from the post-tribbers, I've learned that they have special revelation from God. Those who disagree with them are deceived already by Satan's lies. They cannot be wrong on the matter of the rapture of the church. And now our conscience is seared with a hot iron.

How edifying.

I think that the greatest deception of all is in the claim that you folks can't be wrong in this matter. You might as well be God, because He alone has perfect understanding in all things.

But I digress. Again, God Bless !

Ghost air

I wasn't going to reply to you again, but I can't let this one go!! We are not the only ones who have revelation from God!! You evidently have revelation as Jesus was revealed to you ...correct? Yes, the bible is correct about their consciences being seared with a hot iron. God said it, not us. You are also right about God has perfect understanding. The Holy Spirit helps us with our understanding which comes from God, and He reveals His Word to us. We don't all "get it" the first time around usually. It took me 35 years to see the post trib rapture!!!!!! Why are you getting so defensive here lately Ghost air? Is your conscience being seared with a hot iron? I pray so, so you will see the truth.

 

[Ghost air]

Right, just like when His word says that we meet Him in the air and then come right back down to earth....... oh wait... it doesn't say that, but it must be true, because you say so.

 

[visionary]

OK, now our conscience has been seared. Now that's something new I learned on this thread.

So far from the post-tribbers, I've learned that they have special revelation from God. Those who disagree with them are deceived already by Satan's lies. They cannot be wrong on the matter of the rapture of the church. And now our conscience is seared with a hot iron.

How edifying.

I think that the greatest deception of all is in the claim that you folks can't be wrong in this matter. You might as well be God, because He alone has perfect understanding in all things.

But I digress. Again, God Bless !

Ghost air

If it wasn't for the Lord, I would want pre-trib too. Easy out before it gets tough.. I imagine so would the countless others throughout the centuries who were killed in various modes would have liked that too.. but alas.. that was not what the Lord promised us.

But our Lord prayed instead...

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

 

[Ghost air]

If it wasn't for the Lord, I would want pre-trib too. Easy out before it gets tough.. I imagine so would the countless others throughout the centuries who were killed in various modes would have liked that too.. but alas.. that was not what the Lord promised us.

But our Lord prayed instead...

John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

It has nothing to do with what I want to happen. It has to do with what I see the word of God saying.

When I read Rev 19, it tells me plainly that there is a great multitude in heaven and that the marriage of the Lamb is come. That's told to us BEFORE Christ comes.

I am told that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. I am told that Christ comes for the wise virgins and that they went IN to the wedding with Him.

If you'd like to pretend that Rev 19 doesn't exist, then you're welcome to that. I cannot dismiss it. It's the word of God.

I also cannot dismiss that Rev 21 speaks of the bride descending from heaven after the millennium.

SO... should I believe the post trib scenario, which says that we are caught up in the air and then come right back down to earth, or should I believe what I read in the word of God.

Of course to you this is all moot... my conscience is seared so I cannot see the truth that you are privileged to see.

I'm done now. It's been fun, but there's a time to move on.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Right, just like when His word says that we meet Him in the air and then come right back down to earth....... oh wait... it doesn't say that, but it must be true, because you say so.

Well, this is really sad Ghost air that you can be stuck on the "air" aspect when it doesn't really matter where we are after He comes, just as long as we are with Him. I've told you, let's see, 3 times now that I was checking this. In other words, I am seeking Gods wisdom here!!!!!! Is that okay with you?
1 Cor 13:12 ~ For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. This applies to all of us. Some things we know, some things we are wanting to know so we study, and some things I believe that we will never know..only God. What is really important is that Jesus is your Lord, and secondly that you know when He is returning again for your own sake!! After all, He left his return timing for you in His Word so you wil know the truth and not believe a lie from the Devil.

 

[visionary]

It has nothing to do with what I want to happen. It has to do with what I see the word of God saying.

When I read Rev 19, it tells me plainly that there is a great multitude in heaven and that the marriage of the Lamb is come. That's told to us BEFORE Christ comes.

I am told that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. I am told that Christ comes for the wise virgins and that they went IN to the wedding with Him.

If you'd like to pretend that Rev 19 doesn't exist, then you're welcome to that. I cannot dismiss it. It's the word of God.

I also cannot dismiss that Rev 21 speaks of the bride descending from heaven after the millennium.

SO... should I believe the post trib scenario, which says that we are caught up in the air and then come right back down to earth, or should I believe what I read in the word of God.

Of course to you this is all moot... my conscience is seared so I cannot see the truth that you are privileged to see.

I'm done now. It's been fun, but there's a time to move on.

Do you even know when the Lord's wedding is? Do you know the great multitude that will be attending the wedding? Do you know the Lord's bride?

Remember the wise virgins and the silly ones do not wake up until the midnight cry.. and the foolish ones are told to go "buy" their own.. which gives you a time frame. Rev 11:1 and 2 have two groups... ones that are in.. and those that are out... big difference.

You and I agree here...

If you'd like to pretend that Rev 19 doesn't exist, then you're welcome to that. I cannot dismiss it. It's the word of God.

I also cannot dismiss that Rev 21 speaks of the bride descending from heaven after the millennium.

that part does not disturb the difference we have on our understanding the pre- vs post.

 

[Ghost air]

Do you even know when the Lord's wedding is?

According to Rev 19 it is BEFORE Christ comes. So how did His bride get there ? You do believe that the bride of Christ is the church, don't you?

Do you know the great multitude that will be attending the wedding? Do you know the Lord's bride?

Well obviously the BRIDE would be there ! It's her marriage to the Lamb. Unless of course you do not believe that the bride is the church. We are also told that there are guests. There are many thoughts as to who the guest are although it doesn't take away from the fact that the bride will be there and that she has made herself ready.

So, I can read Rev 19 with childlike faith and accept what it says - OR I can believe what the post trib folks say, that we're caught up in the air and that the wedding is in the air, and then we come right back down to earth.

Do you actually believe that ? If so, how do you reconcile Rev 21 with that view, seeing that it tells us that the bride comes down out of heaven after the millenium.

Remember the wise virgins and the silly ones do not wake up until the midnight cry.. and the foolish ones are told to go "buy" their own.. which gives you a time frame. Rev 11:1 and 2 have two groups... ones that are in.. and those that are out... big difference.

The point remains, Rev 19 does tell me in its simplicity that the marriage of the Lamb is come and that the bride has made herself ready. This is written before we are told that Christ comes. Again, why should I ignore that and believe what post trib folks say ?

Should I ignore it because they tell me that they cannot be wrong in this matter and that I am deceived and my conscience is seared as with a hot iron ?

You and I agree here... that part does not disturb the difference we have on our understanding the pre- vs post.

I think that there's a lot that we can agree on, although when we're told that we're blinded by Satan and that our conscience is seared, it tends to take away from any insight which I might have gleaned otherwise.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

How, on earth, can people continue to say that the catching away is AFTER judgment and wrath have been poured out when the Bible CLEARLY says its BEFORE? By the time Christ physically returns, the trumpet judgments have been poured out, the bowls of wrath have been poured out, the army formed against Christ and all the evil have been destroyed. We are removed BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE WRATH! By the time Christ physically returns, there IS NO MORE WRATH to pour out and no one who is evil left to pour it out on!

Therefore, in order for the following passages to be true, we are gathered BEFORE judgment and wrath are poured out, NOT AFTER! "Post-trib" has us going through the trumpets and the bowls and gathered AFTER they are poured out, even as Christ is physically coming to destroy the army formed against him (6th bowl) and all the evil. It's unscriptural!


1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.





1Th 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead–Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.



Isa 26:19 But your dead will live;
their bodies will rise.
You who dwell in the dust,
wake up and shout for joy.
Your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
Isa 26:20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
Isa 26:21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her;
she will conceal her slain no longer.



Psa 75:2 When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly.


Psa 50:4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

Right, just like when His word says that we meet Him in the air and then come right back down to earth....... oh wait... it doesn't say that, but it must be true, because you say so.

It doesn't say we go to heaven after meeting Him in the air as you believe we do. Further more it doesn't say anywhere in scripture, that we go to heaven after the rapture period, nor does it say that Jesus leaves heaven get the church and then returns to heaven, nor does it say he ever leaves heaven toward earth b4 His post trib return. What the bible does say is that when Jesus leaves heaven He is do so to return to earth, and it also says we reign here on earth with Christ during the Millennium. So the belief that after we meet the Lord in the air we return with Him to earth to reign during the Millennium have a biblical foundation. The belief that we go to heaven after meeting Him in the air does not, it is completely and totally with out biblical foundation, it is an extra biblical false teaching.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

It doesn't say we go to heaven after meeting Him in the air as you believe we do.

Oh, yes it does! Just like Moses consecrated the people and they washed their clothes for two days in preparation for the 3rd day because on the morning of the 3rd day, God came down at the sound of a Jubilee/trumpet, and Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God at the foot of the mountain...we, too are consecrated by Jesus and have washed our robes in the blood of the Lamb for 2000 years and on the morning of the 3rd day (millennium), we will hear the Jubilee/trumpet and Jesus will appear and lead us from this earth to Mt Zion, the Heavenly Jerusalem...and we will be with the Lord forever! Exodus 19:10-20 & Hebrews 12: 18-24

Further more it doesn't say anywhere in scripture, that we go to heaven after the rapture period, nor does it say that Jesus leaves heaven get the church and then returns to heaven, nor does it say he ever leaves heaven toward earth b4 His post trib return.

Yes, it does. SEE Exodus 19:10-20 & Hebrews 12:18-24
At one point Jesus appears with the saints and at another point, He comes with the angels.

What the bible does say is that when Jesus leaves heaven He is do so to return to earth, and it also says we reign here on earth with Christ during the Millennium.

We will be like the angels and our home is the New Jerusalem. I think you might have an earthly, carnal understanding of what is going on in regards to the Bride during the millennium. We are given authority over the earth as kings and priests.

1Cr 6:3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.


Dan 7:9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
Dan 7:10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

So the belief that after we meet the Lord in the air we return with Him to earth to reign during the Millennium have a biblical foundation.

Scriptures, please.

The belief that we go to heaven after meeting Him in the air does not, it is completely and totally with out biblical foundation, it is an extra biblical false teaching.

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house (HEAVEN) are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there (HEAVEN) to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go (TO HEAVEN) and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.




What is that place prepared?



Hbr 11:16 Instead, they were longing for a better country–a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.



Hbr 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,
Hbr 12:23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,
Hbr 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.





Jhn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.






Phl 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Phl 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

 

[Ghost air]

How, on earth, can people continue to say that the catching away is AFTER judgment and wrath have been poured out when the Bible CLEARLY says its BEFORE? By the time Christ physically returns, the trumpet judgments have been poured out, the bowls of wrath have been poured out, the army formed against Christ and all the evil have been destroyed. We are removed BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE WRATH! By the time Christ physically returns, there IS NO MORE WRATH to pour out and no one who is evil left to pour it out on!

Therefore, in order for the following passages to be true, we are gathered BEFORE judgment and wrath are poured out, NOT AFTER! "Post-trib" has us going through the trumpets and the bowls and gathered AFTER they are poured out, even as Christ is physically coming to destroy the army formed against him (6th bowl) and all the evil. It's unscriptural!

Jen, as biblical as this sounds, you're forgetting a few things.

1. Post Tribbers can't be wrong in this matter. They have revelation from God.

2. We're deceived by satan and have bought into his lies.

3. Our conscience has been seared.

I mean come on, how can you speak against them when they believe these things ?

Obviously Rev 19 and Rev 21 must be wrong, I'm sure that the post tribbers will correct God when He does come.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Jen, as biblical as this sounds, you're forgetting a few things.

1. Post Tribbers can't be wrong in this matter. They have revelation from God.

2. We're deceived by satan and have bought into his lies.

3. Our conscience has been seared.

I mean come on, how can you speak against them when they believe these things ?

Obviously Rev 19 and Rev 21 must be wrong, I'm sure that the post tribbers will correct God when He does come.

I guess I keep hoping that the Word of God will speak to them.

(One thing I have noticed is that their basis/foundation is in earthly, tangible thinking...trying to reconcile what God says with an earthly mindset and explanation. Their hope is for a future on the earth. The Bride's citzenship is in heaven. God has prepared a heavenly city for us.)

 

[visionary]

According to Rev 19 it is BEFORE Christ comes.

I agree.. but there is more... did you know that the Day of Atonement... is the Wedding. Did you know that the shabbat is the the Lord's bride?

So how did His bride get there ?

It may be a revelation

You do believe that the bride of Christ is the church, don't you?

Either you believe that the bride of Christ is the church or you believe that the people are either foolish or wise virgins. I believe this verse makes a distinction between the people of God and the bride.

Joel 2:16
1.)Gather the people,
2.)sanctify the congregation,
3.)assemble the elders,
4.)gather the children,
5.) and those that suck the breasts:

let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

Well obviously the BRIDE would be there ! It's her marriage to the Lamb.

I agree.

Unless of course you do not believe that the bride is the church.

that requires more study.

We are also told that there are guests.

I refer back up to the verse I quoted above.

There are many thoughts as to who the guest are although it doesn't take away from the fact that the bride will be there and that she has made herself ready.

I agree.

So, I can read Rev 19 with childlike faith and accept what it says - OR I can believe what the post trib folks say, that we're caught up in the air and that the wedding is in the air, and then we come right back down to earth.

that is not my version of post-trib... if you think that way I can relate to the confusion you have over that issue.

Do you actually believe that ? If so, how do you reconcile Rev 21 with that view, seeing that it tells us that the bride comes down out of heaven after the millenium.

As I said before that is not my view. Wedding supper comes after the wedding... which I believe we both agree on. Those are two separate events and wedding is first and wedding supper is later.... just like it is today... they do not happen at the same time nor in the same place.



The point remains, Rev 19 does tell me in its simplicity that the marriage of the Lamb is come and that the bride has made herself ready. This is written before we are told that Christ comes. Again, why should I ignore that and believe what post trib folks say ?

Should I ignore it because they tell me that they cannot be wrong in this matter and that I am deceived and my conscience is seared as with a hot iron ?



I think that there's a lot that we can agree on, although when we're told that we're blinded by Satan and that our conscience is seared, it tends to take away from any insight which I might have gleaned otherwise. [/QUOTE]

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Jen, as biblical as this sounds, you're forgetting a few things.

1. Post Tribbers can't be wrong in this matter. They have revelation from God.

2. We're deceived by satan and have bought into his lies.

3. Our conscience has been seared.

I mean come on, how can you speak against them when they believe these things ?

Obviously Rev 19 and Rev 21 must be wrong, I'm sure that the post tribbers will correct God when He does come.

You don't know how close you are to mocking Gods word by saying this since we are right and you are wrong. You and others have bought into one of the biggest deceptions that Satan has ever perpetrated on the church. Rev 21 has nothing to do with Christs coming for the church. Rev 21 happens after the 1000 year reign. The "person' that you were responding to in your post believes that we are in the tribulation now, so you are in good company. Learn much since your mind is already open to deception

 

[visionary]

End time events in light of the "shadow of things to come" Col 2:17

Rev 11:1.2 two groups of people separated by their understanding... one group is in the temple worshipping God and the other group is in the outer court.
- when you study the temple.. you learn what goes on and what articles are in the outer court and what goes on in the inner court and the articles that are in there.

Feast of trumpets
- crowning of king
- battle cry
- seven trumpets in Revelation
- two witnesses needed to start the feast
- 10 days... known as the ten days of awe.

Day of Atonement
- at one ment - the wedding - the union of man and God with no sin to separate
- two identical goats - one for God and one called the scapegoat.

Plagues - bowls of wrath

Feast of Tabernacles
- flee to wilderness

nowhere is the rapture hinted at within the feasts.

Just as the Lord came and fulfilled the spring feasts... think about it... 3 1/2 year ministry started off by the voice in the wilderness in the spirit of Elijah..

then the Lord fulfilled the Passover as the passover lamb.. next is First Fruits.. where He is the first fruits of them that are raised from the dead...

then the promise which was fulfilled at Pentecost.. which is the last of the spring time feasts.

So in the same manner we can expect a 3 1/2 year ministry started off by the spirit of Elijah only this time there will be two witnesses. Then the Lord will fulfill the fall feasts.

Half of what will occur will be in the heavenly sanctuary where by faith we will see our Lord married to the shabbat forever... on the Day of Atonement. While that is going on in heaven along with the judgment [everyone's books of life are opened on the feast of trumpets and closed at the end of the Day of Atonement events]

Then the plagues without mercy can pour out on the unrepentent.

The children of God flee to the wilderness and are sheltered in His pavillion under His wings until the Feast of Tabernacles is over...

THe LAst Day, the eighth day, will be the when the trumpets blare and the dead are resurrected and those that are alive will rise and join the raised dead to enjoy the wedding supper with the Lord in His City. They will enjoy a thousand years of rest.. travelling every friday to the City of God for the Shabbat. and living on earth during the week doing what we all should have been doing all along.. tending the garden we call earth.