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Amen onwings. I really don't understand why Ghost air is having a hard time with only part of the church going through the tribuilation. It's like I told him before, if every Christian were still alive since Christ ascended, some of us would be 2000 + years old. Death is inevitable for us all if Jesus tarries and it's our time to go. Personally, I woudn't want to be 2000 years old. EWE..the wrinkles that Oil of Olay can't smoothe out ^_^
I found this verse some years back that I thought gave a good reason for the righteous dying..Isaiah 57:1-2.. The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
2) He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds (death), each one walking in his uprightness.

Now to me that is saying that for only reasons that God knows, we are alive at this time, and those who have died were not to be living at this time. Our souls were with God before the foundations of the world, because the bible states that He chose us before the foundations of the world...Eph 1:4. It also states that he knew us before we were born...Jer 1:5 ~ Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Now, I accept this as an explanation why we are here, and the dead aren't for this time in history. Some things I believe that ONLY God knows and we never will. I have faith to believe that He knew/knows what He did/is going to do, so I don't question this reasoning that Ghost air has regarding this.

Agreed BMN, you are very wise :thumbsup:
 
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I found this verse some years back that I thought gave a good reason for the righteous dying..Isaiah 57:1-2.. The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
:thumbsup: Ah why can't most Christians see that. Great post BMN!! :)

Matt 13:30 "Suffer-ye! to be together-growing both until the Harvest. And in the time of the Harvest I shall be declaring to the Harvesters/Reapers 'together-collect the darnel/zizania <2215 and bind ye them! into bundles, toward the to burn them. The yet grain together-bring into the place of Me'

Reve 14:15 and another Messenger came out out of the Sanctuary crying out in a voice, great, to the one sitting on the cloud: "Send! the sickle of thee and reap! that came the hour to reap, that is dried the Harvest of the land. [Joel 3:13/Matt 13:30]
 
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For you to continue to hold onto the pretrib view, you must insist that immediately after the tribulation actually means right before it starts.

Depends on the Biblical definition of tribulation. Biblically, the tribulation is:
1. BEFORE the sun/moon darken.
2. involves wars, famines, plagues, persecution and taking the gospel to the world according to Jesus himself.
3. just happens to coincide with seals 1-4 of Rev 6 which, strangely enough, are BEFORE the sun/moon darken.
4. has been going on for nearly 2000 years which lines up Biblically with the tribulation that the great multitude come out of.


You also have to say that the first resurrection is not really the first resurrection,

You have to understand what the "first resurrection" means. It is ALL resurrections from Christ to the people who were raised when Christ rose to the resurrection at the time of the rapture, to those who are raised having been martyrs of the beast. The first resurrection has to do with the first harvest. The 2nd resurrection happens at the GWT judgment.


that the last trump isn't really the last trump,

You have to know what the last trump means. It is the last Jubilee which means trumpet. 6000 years were allotted by God for fallen flesh according to Genesis. At the last Jubilee (trumpet), the fulfilment of the New Covenant happens and the first resurrection of people in glorified bodies takes place. It is also the firstfruits offering of the produce of the harvest. Christ was the firstfruits offering of the grain of the harvest. All of this is in Leviticus 23.


and that the same day means seven years apart. Sound funny when put that way, but believe or not there are those that teach just that, when confronted with the truth.

How long will Christ reign before he turns everything over to the Father? 1000 years. How long is 1000 years on God's calendar? One day according to scriptures.
Everything that happens from the giving of white robes followed by the sun/moon darkening (which signals the beginning of the DAY OF THE LORD/DAY OF WRATH according to Joel 2 and Rev 6) followed by the opening of the 7th seal which includes the beast, two witnesses, trumpets and bowls IS ON THE DAY OF THE LORD! We were given the symbolism that announces the plan in the Old Testament. Look at Exodus 19:10-20 and the other verses that I quoted in the previous post. God receives the congregation BEFORE judgment and wrath.

Call me crazy but I believe the Bible means what it says. When it says immediately after the tribulation, I believe it. When it says first resurrection, I believe it is talking about the first resurrection. When it says the last trump, I believe there will be no more trumpets sounded after that one. When the Bible says the rapture is on the same day as the second coming and that Jesus does not return until after the tribulation, I have no choice but to take God's word for it


We all believe those things but what you lack is a fundamental understanding of exactly what those things are as defined by Scripture.
 
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that the last trump isn't really the last trump,You have to know what the last trump means. It is the last Jubilee which means trumpet. 6000 years were allotted by God for fallen flesh according to Genesis. At the last Jubilee (trumpet), the fulfilment of the New Covenant happens and the first resurrection of people in glorified bodies takes place. It is also the firstfruits offering of the produce of the harvest. Christ was the firstfruits offering of the grain of the harvest. All of this is in Leviticus 23
Greetings. That sounds corrects to me.

Joshua 6:4 And seven Priests shall bear the seven trumpets of the jubilees/03104 yowbel before the ark/coffer/0727 'arown, and in Day the seventh ye shall compass the city seven of times, and the Priests shall blow in trumpets/07782 showphar .

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His messengers with a Trumpet sound, great, and they shall be upon-together-gathering the out-called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them. 1

Revelation 8:6 And the seven messengers having the seven trumpets make ready themselves, that they-should-be-trumpeting;[Joshua 6:4]

 
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Greetings. That sounds corrects to me.

Joshua 6:4 And seven Priests shall bear the seven trumpets of the jubilees/03104 yowbel before the ark/coffer/0727 'arown, and in Day the seventh ye shall compass the city seven of times, and the Priests shall blow in trumpets/07782 showphar .

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His messengers with a Trumpet sound, great, and they shall be upon-together-gathering the out-called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them. 1

Revelation 8:6 And the seven messengers having the seven trumpets make ready themselves, that they-should-be-trumpeting;[Joshua 6:4]



God set up the year of Jubilee to be every 50th year according to Leviticus. It appears to be how God measures time. Jubilee is the Hebrew word "yobel/yovel" which actually means "a long, loud blast from a ram's horn or trumpet".

Lev 25:8 &#8220; &#8216;Count off seven sabbaths of years&#8212;seven times seven years&#8212;so that the seven sabbaths of years amount to a period of forty-nine years.
Lev 25:9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. (hmm...this is interesting. The Day of Atonement has been coming to mind lately. It is October 8/9 this year)
Lev 25:10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each one of you is to return to his family property and each to his own clan.


God declared:

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This is not speaking of life-span. Our life-spans are 70-80 years, Biblically. (Psalm 90:10)

Fallen flesh was given 120 years which if you count by Jubilees, is actually 6000 years. (120 x 50 = 6000) This concept also falls in line with the plan God outlined which we practice every week...work for 6 days, rest on the 7th. There are 6000 years of fallen flesh (work) and the millennial reign of Christ is the 7th (rest).


Take this a step further. According to Exodus 19:10-20, God came down to meet with the people ON THE MORNING OF THE 3RD DAY, at the sound of a JUBILEE (LOUD TRUMPET BLAST), after Moses had consecrated the people and they WASHED THEIR ROBES for TWO DAYS. This is the symbolism of those who have "come out of great tribulation and have WASHED THEIR ROBES in the blood of the Lamb"....how long have people been able to "wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb" (or how long have people been able to be consecrated by Christ?) TWO DAYS on God's calendar or 2000 years.

That passage of scripture has the rapture written all over it. As 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15 state, we are expecting Jesus to appear in the sky and to be led out of the camp (like Moses did) to meet with God at the last JUBILEE (loud trumpet blast).
As is stated in Hebrews, we are not led to a mountain that cannot be touched but to Mount Zion, the city of the Living God, the New Jerusalem, which is the place prepared for us "in the Father's House" that Jesus spoke of!

All glory to God!:prayer:
 
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For you to continue to hold onto the pretrib view, you must insist that immediately after the tribulation actually means right before it starts. You also have to say that the first resurrection is not really the first resurrection, that the last trump isn't really the last trump, and that the same day means seven years apart. Sound funny when put that way, but believe or not there are those that teach just that, when confronted with the truth.

Call me crazy but I believe the Bible means what it says. When it says immediately after the tribulation, I believe it. When it says first resurrection, I believe it is talking about the first resurrection. When it says the last trump, I believe there will be no more trumpets sounded after that one. When the Bible says the rapture is on the same day as the second coming and that Jesus does not return until after the tribulation, I have no choice but to take God's word for it

Depends on the Biblical definition of tribulation. Biblically, the tribulation is:
1. BEFORE the sun/moon darken.
2. involves wars, famines, plagues, persecution and taking the gospel to the world according to Jesus himself.
3. just happens to coincide with seals 1-4 of Rev 6 which, strangely enough, are BEFORE the sun/moon darken.
4. has been going on for nearly 2000 years which lines up Biblically with the tribulation that the great multitude come out of.




You have to understand what the "first resurrection" means. It is ALL resurrections from Christ to the people who were raised when Christ rose to the resurrection at the time of the rapture, to those who are raised having been martyrs of the beast. The first resurrection has to do with the first harvest. The 2nd resurrection happens at the GWT judgment.




You have to know what the last trump means. It is the last Jubilee which means trumpet. 6000 years were allotted by God for fallen flesh according to Genesis. At the last Jubilee (trumpet), the fulfilment of the New Covenant happens and the first resurrection of people in glorified bodies takes place. It is also the firstfruits offering of the produce of the harvest. Christ was the firstfruits offering of the grain of the harvest. All of this is in Leviticus 23.




How long will Christ reign before he turns everything over to the Father? 1000 years. How long is 1000 years on God's calendar? One day according to scriptures.
Everything that happens from the giving of white robes followed by the sun/moon darkening (which signals the beginning of the DAY OF THE LORD/DAY OF WRATH according to Joel 2 and Rev 6) followed by the opening of the 7th seal which includes the beast, two witnesses, trumpets and bowls IS ON THE DAY OF THE LORD! We were given the symbolism that announces the plan in the Old Testament. Look at Exodus 19:10-20 and the other verses that I quoted in the previous post. God receives the congregation BEFORE judgment and wrath.




We all believe those things but what you lack is a fundamental understanding of exactly what those things are as defined by Scripture.
Thank you Jen you have just proven my point, as to the extremes some will go to hold on to their false beliefs.
 
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How long will Christ reign before he turns everything over to the Father? 1000 years. How long is 1000 years on God's calendar? One day according to scriptures.
I always felt like He was reigning now thru His elect Saints.
In my view, once the last bowl is poured that is it, nothing left afterward and it is finally finished for the Jews.

Reve 16:17 and the seventh messenger pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out voice, great, from the sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has become"/gegonen <1096> (5754).

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738) these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the Loosing of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 16/19]

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 16:17]
I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.
 
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I always felt like He was reigning now thru His elect Saints.
In my view, once the last bowl is poured that is it, nothing left afterward and it is finally finished for the Jews.

Jesus is standing at the right hand of God, waiting for God to tell Him to come and rule with a rod of iron. Jesus did not "leave us as orphans". He gave us the Holy Spirit to guide, counsel and remind us as well as empower us to OVERCOME anything that the devil might toss at us.

Act 3:21 He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.


I don't know how you can say that after the last bowl is poured out that "it is finally finished for the Jews".

What do you mean? There's a TON of scripture that talks about what happens during the millennium and it's all about the Jews!

Zec 8:23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’ ”





Isa 2:2 In the last days

the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.

Isa 2:3 Many peoples will come and say,

“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
 
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http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Zec&chapter=8&version=NIV#
That has already fulfilled in my view and is symbolizing the Jew's Messiah. Here is the translation from the Hebrew. It harmonized perfectly with Mark 6:56

Zechariah 8:23 Thus He-says YHWH-of Hosts: "in-Days, the-they, which they-shall-take-firm-hold a-hem/wing, ten mortals, from-all-of Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast-hold in-hem-of a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Judean, to-say-of 'We-shall-go with-Thee, that We-hear Elohiym with-Thee'". [Mark 6:56]

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Thank you Jen you have just proven my point, as to the extremes some will go to hold on to their false beliefs.


The apparent false beliefs that you are holding onto are that "the tribulation" is the reign of the beast (anti-christ), that the day of the Lord is 24 hours long, and that Christ's 2nd coming doesn't begin until Christ comes on the clouds with the angels to destroy the army formed against Him and all the evil.

The return of the Lord begins with the day one of the millenial reign of Christ! Do you think that the giving of white robes to the Bride, the trumpet judgments, the beast's reign, the bowls of wrath WHICH ALL HAPPEN BEFORE CHRIST COMES ON THE CLOUDS are just happenstance or a coincidence of some kind? ALL of that is the return of the Lord and happens on the Day of the Lord BEFORE He physically returns!
 
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The apparent false beliefs that you are holding onto are that "the tribulation" is the reign of the beast (anti-christ), that the day of the Lord is 24 hours long, and that Christ's 2nd coming doesn't begin until Christ comes on the clouds with the angels to destroy the army formed against Him and all the evil.
Wow. You mean someone would actually come here and give false beliefs and views!!!! Tell me it isn't so.......:D
 
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The marriage has come is referring to the fact that Jesus was about to return and receive His bride, notice those that are clothed ijn white linen follow with Him from heaven to receive their heavenly bodies and be reunited with the rest of the bride at the wedding which is when we meet the Lord in the air.

Rev 19 says nothing remotely close to what you are telling me. It DOES NOT tell me that the wedding was about to come, it tells me that IT IS COME and that His wife HAS MADE herself ready. It does not speak of some being in heaven and some on earth to be reunited as YOU SAY, it speaks of a great multitude IN HEAVEN and that armies which were IN HEAVEN followed Him.

So evidently (as mentioned) when Revelation 19 says that marriage of the Lamb is come, post trib folks interpret that as 'it has NOT COME'. And again, there is nothing which speaks of reuniting the bride of Christ.

I am telling you exactly what the word says not opposite. Now if you want to talk about opposite of what the word says lets taught about the pretrib doctrine.

I can't understand how you can say that with an honest heart toward the word of God when it is evident that you are telling me that it does NOT mean what it says in simplicity and in truth.

Why would you not accept what Rev 19 does say ? I would imagine that it's because then the post trib position would be weak.

ALSO, Rev 21 speaks of the Lamb's wife coming down out of heaven AFTER the thousand year Day of the Lord, not before it.

The Bible says that we are raise on the last day, pretrib says that we are raise 7 years b4 the last day.

This is because the last day with respect to the scriptures is 1000 years. It's called the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ. This is what it means to enter into the Lord's REST. God rested from all His work on the seventh day. It's the Day of Jesus Christ. It's similar to the thought in scripture which tells us that TODAY is the DAY of SALVATION. That DAY has already beenclose to two-thousand years long.

The Bible says that the rapture is on the same day as the 2nd coming pretrib says it is 7 years b4. The Bible says the rapture is at the last trump the pretrib doctrine says it is not really the last truup. The bible says the rapture is part of the 1st resurrection the pretrib says it is not the 1st resurrection. Every thing the Bible teaches about the 2nd coming, resurrection of the just, and the rapture the pretrib doctrine teaches the opposite.

Everything that you're talking here is based upon your belief that the Day of the Lord is only 24 hours long. The Day of the Lord is one thousand years long and it also includes the great tribulation which is aka the time of Jacob's trouble.

Peter would write that he does NOT want you to be ignorant of this one thing, that a DAY WITH THE LORD IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS, AND A THOUSAND YEARS ARE AS ONE DAY. That's why it is called the DAY of the LORD, the DAY of Jesus Christ. Rev 20 makes it perfectly clear that this period is one thousand years, and it also makes it clear that the rest of the dead were not raised until AFTER the thousand years are ended. It shows us that there is a thousand year gap between the first resurrection and the final resurrection. We could even go further than this, because CHRIST Himself rose from the dead over two thousand years ago, so look at the space in time involved in the resurrection of the just which Paul is writing of in the famous resurrection chapter in 1 Cor, ch 15.
 
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Thank you Jen you have just proven my point, as to the extremes some will go to hold on to their false beliefs.

The apparent false beliefs that you are holding onto are that "the tribulation" is the reign of the beast (anti-christ), that the day of the Lord is 24 hours long, and that Christ's 2nd coming doesn't begin until Christ comes on the clouds with the angels to destroy the army formed against Him and all the evil.
Crazy me, how dare I believe the Bible as it is written rather than formulating all types of wild interpretations. I should be ashamed of myself. :blush:
 
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the resurrection of the just which Paul is writing of in the famous resurrection chapter in 1 Cor, ch 15.
Your mind is obviously made up so I will stop trying to help you, however I will leave you with this. The resurrection of the just mentioned in 1st Cor 15 when does it say it takes place?

1st Corinthians 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they they are Christ at his coming.

#1 At the coming of the Lord which is after the Tribulation not b4 it.

1st Corinthians 15:51-53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

#2 At the last trump which we know had to come after the tribulation and not b4 it.


You decide, will you continue to believe your pretrib indoctrination or will you begin to believe what the Bible says on the subject.
 
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Crazy me, how dare I believe the bible as it is written rather than formulate all types of wild interpretation. I should be ashamed of myself. :blush:

Sarcasm aside, it is very evident to me that your interpretation of Revelation 19 is nothing even close to what it actually does say.

IN HEAVEN evidently means some on earth and some in heaven. IS COME evidently means that it has NOT come.

So again, how can you begin to say that you're reading it as it is written with respect to Revelation 19 as it pertains to the marriage of the Lamb and His coming ?
 
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Sarcasm aside, it is very evident to me that your interpretation of Revelation 19 is nothing even close to what it actually does say.

IN HEAVEN evidently means some on earth and some in heaven. IS COME evidently means that it has NOT come.

So again, how can you begin to say that you're reading it as it is written with respect to Revelation 19 as it pertains to the marriage of the Lamb and His coming ?
You do exactly what you accuse me of doing no where in Rev 19 or any where else in scripture does it say the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place in heaven. Yet that is what you have read into the passage.

Now answer me this, when does the bible say the resurrection of the just takes place, and when is the rapture is comparison to the resurrection?
 
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You do exactly what you accuse me of doing no where in Rev 19 or any where else in scripture does it say the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place in heaven. Yet that is what you have read into the passage.

now answer me this when does the bible say the resurrection of the just takes place, and when is the rapture is comparesion to the resurrection.

Friend, you're not willing to help me any longer as you have stated. I said that I will do likewise.

That's fine with me, there are others who may desire to continue this conversation.

We are done though as you requested.
 
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Friend, you're not willing to help me any longer as you have stated. I said that I will do likewise.

That's fine with me, there are others who may desire to continue this conversation.

We are done though as you requested.
Don't want to admit when your wrong, if I realized I was wrong, I would change my views.
 
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It seems like scripture would tell us exactly where the Marriage takes place.

It would have to be in heaven, prior to the physical return of Christ because the Bride doesn't return to earth until the end of the millennium when death has been destroyed and the New Jerusalem comes down.

I'll look for passages....by the way, isn't it fair to say that there is a difference between the guests and the Bride?

Mat 22:1 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying:
Mat 22:2 &#8220;The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son.
Mat 22:3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
Mat 22:4 &#8220;Then he sent some more servants and said, &#8216;Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.&#8217;
Mat 22:5 &#8220;But they paid no attention and went off&#8211;one to his field, another to his business.
Mat 22:6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them.
Mat 22:7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
Mat 22:8 &#8220;Then he said to his servants, &#8216;The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come.
Mat 22:9 Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.&#8217;
Mat 22:10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
Mat 22:11 &#8220;But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes.
Mat 22:12 &#8216;Friend,&#8217; he asked, &#8216;how did you get in here without wedding clothes?&#8217; The man was speechless.
Mat 22:13 &#8220;Then the king told the attendants, &#8216;Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.&#8217;
Mat 22:14 &#8220;For many are invited, but few are chosen.&#8221;


The Bride would be consecrated and with the groom but the guests would be different from the Bride, right?


Mat 25:1 &#8220;At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
Mat 25:3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.
Mat 25:4 The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
Mat 25:6 &#8220;At midnight the cry rang out: &#8216;Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!&#8217;
Mat 25:7 &#8220;Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 The foolish ones said to the wise, &#8216;Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.&#8217;
Mat 25:9 &#8221; &#8216;No,&#8217; they replied, &#8216;there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.&#8217;
Mat 25:10 &#8220;But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 &#8220;Later the others also came. &#8216;Sir! Sir!&#8217; they said. &#8216;Open the door for us!&#8217;
Mat 25:12 &#8220;But he replied, &#8216;I tell you the truth, I don't know you.&#8217;






Those who are born again of the Spirit (virgins with enough oil) will go in with the Bridegroom to the wedding banquet and the door will be shut.


Isa 26:20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.




Rev 15:8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.



Rev 11:19


Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.


Rev 15:5 After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened.



This proves that no one can enter heaven between the 6th trumpet and 7th trumpet/7th bowl while the 6 bowls are going on.

It appears that the wedding banquet is going on in Heaven while wrath is poured out on earth.

To me, this appears to be the following scenario:

1. The Bride is given her Bridal clothes and removed from the earth.
2. When the two witnesses are resurrected and raptured is the last time anyone can enter heaven before wrath is poured out.
3. Heaven is "shut" during wrath.
4. Heaven is opened after wrath and Christ physically comes.

Two resurrections and raptures BEFORE the physical return of Christ. One for the Bride, one for the two witnesses.
 
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