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PRAY, re that :pray: :
Hospitals will no longer be required to get patient consent for experimental... procedures.

http://digg.com/health/Medical_experiments_to_be_done_without_patients_consent

The US federal government is undertaking the most ambitious set of studies ever mounted
under a controversial arrangement that allows researchers to conduct medical experiments...
without first getting the patients' permission. - Josef Mengele

Coming to a country near you!

Fascism!... Wait, it's here already!

PRAY, re that :pray:
 
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PRAY, re that :pray: :
Hospitals will no longer be required to get patient consent for experimental... procedures.

http://digg.com/health/Medical_experiments_to_be_done_without_patients_consent

The US federal government is undertaking the most ambitious set of studies ever mounted
under a controversial arrangement that allows researchers to conduct medical experiments...
without first getting the patients' permission. - Josef Mengele

Coming to a country near you!

Fascism!... Wait, it's here already!

PRAY, re that :pray:


Annie dear Sister

Hold, your horses there
Propaganda.....[?] it comes with LARGER SIZED 'WOODEN-SPOONS'
alt..... there are those
that would STIR-UP 'TROUBLE' without-conscience
to discredit others [?]

I checked-out your LINK
to find this:



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Now then.... when you read HEADLINES
do you not also, enquire after
the stories in the background, which support or deny FACT

Taking things at FACE VALUE, can be a very disconcerting experience
YOU COULD, find yourself, living on your nerves [?]

How about PROBABILITY ?... MOTIVE ?... The very next ROUND of ELECTIONS ?


On the other side of the street... is there some HIDDEN REASON
for, that story, HAVING BEEN REMOVED FROM VIEW [censored]

Plainly, listening to gossip, suspicion and innuendo
can take you, to, a 'wrongful' point of view
and then can also find yourself surrounded with needless anxiety [?]

A quick search... using possible [also used] keywords
brought forth nothing in 'a similar vein' [on that subject]


Anyone can publish to the internet
establishing the content as 'fact' or, even truthful
may not be so easy... [?]

:wave:

dave
 
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Medical experiments to be done without patients' consent

chron.com — The federal government is undertaking the most ambitious set of studies ever mounted under a controversial arrangement that allows researchers to conduct some kinds of medical experiments without first getting the patients' permission.
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How LONG AGO was this posted ????

Do you not think, that, had this matter any substance
that every newspaper in the world
would have be discussing the Federal Government
just as they did Hitler....60+ years ago ???


It might help your understanding, a little there Annie
could you try to READ BETWEEN THE LINES
and SEE, what is INTENDED FOR YOU TO SEE
and also, what is ACTUALLY THERE

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Dave :wave:, are you aware of the fact that you posted, not once, but FOUR ^_^ times, re my one caution.

ONCE is quite enough, do you agree? ;) (can you please delete the 3 we don't need)

And there's been several Published-dates, during 2006 & 2007.

June 20, 2006
Federal rules allow experimental procedures without consent.
A broad federal regulation allows researchers to test emergency treatments on patients with
specific, life-threatening medical conditions - without their explicit consent.

A newspaper report was based on an article
that just appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association, JAMA.
~
Here's some Guidelines, people should know: http://www.umsl.edu/services/ora/pdfs/INFORMED_CONSENT_AND_HUMAN_SUBJECTS_RESEARCH.pdf
 
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"Critical Care Without Consent"


Yes, thank you Jan

This document contains PROCEDURES which I believe to be Universal
iow:
NOT as Annie has suggested, AGAINST OUR WISHES
but, in the absence of ye or, nay
to do ALL that is possible to sustain LIFE in a patient

All, a matter of keeping FOCUS

Annie's post, in this subject, did imply Federal governments
Heavy-Handedness in this matter and informed consent
NEED NOT... be OBTAINED prior to treatment
else.....
Families, would complain, that patient was NOT afforded every human care
which then, might have contributed
to the premature and unnecessary demise of a patient

Annie's post, gave rise to thoughts of, the infamous Dr Mengele

:wave:

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Dave :wave:, are you aware of the fact that you posted, not once, but FOUR ^_^ times, re my one caution.

ONCE is quite enough, do you agree? ;) (can you please delete the 3 we don't need)

And there's been several Published-dates, during 2006 & 2007.

June 20, 2006
Federal rules allow experimental procedures without consent.
A broad federal regulation allows researchers to test emergency treatments on patients with
specific, life-threatening medical conditions - without their explicit consent.

A newspaper report was based on an article
that just appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association, JAMA.
~
Here's some Guidelines, people should know: http://www.umsl.edu/services/ora/pdfs/INFORMED_CONSENT_AND_HUMAN_SUBJECTS_RESEARCH.pdf


Thank you Annie

I do see now, that there is NO LOADED GUN here
but that the interests of the unresponsive patient
is being handled in a very sympathetic and BEST MEANS manner

:wave:

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Sk8Joyful said:
Dave :wave:, are you aware of the fact that you posted, not once,
but FOUR ^_^ times, re my one caution.

ONCE is quite enough, do you agree? ;)
(can you please delete the 3 we don't need)




I deleted two dear Sis'

Please don't blame me > blame the site
I posted JUST THE ONCE

:wave:

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Hello Bro Dave,

Hi Bro' Amadeus

For our 'family/ partners' in this world, it isn't easy for 'them'
when, from their-viewpoint, the ONE, they love
then, doesn't appear to be TAKING 'every-opportunity'
to ensure their good health and wellness

None of us, WISH-FOR the other to GIVE-UP 'trying' ?
~ to seek every means possible... ? to preserve health and long-life
and while there 'may' be a somewhat 'selfish' reason, attached-to
'their need' to support their heartfelt feelings for the other
we do have a duty to 'each-other' [?]

Yes, a long while back I became so frustrated that I expressed aloud my wish to have this whole experience [natural physical life]finally come to an end. My wife was , to put it mildly, quite displeased with my attitude.

This way of thinking is not unknown to scripture. Job in the third chapter expresses himself very with a wish that he had never been born. of course, my Lord has let me know that Job was wrong and that I am wrong when I think that way.

"Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content." Phil 4:11

Does this mean that we should sit back and make no effort at all to improve things or ourselves or others? Of course not!
As John the baptist put it:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

God does not have internal problems and neither will we have any that matter when it is finally all of His Spirit in control and none of our own working in us.

About seven years ago now, I had a bad bout, of septicaemia
it was systemic and eruptions would break-out
just about anywhere [being in the blood]
thankfully, these areas, scarred over [despite their size]
after several treatments of powerful antibiotics
Even so, this infection, of the blood, lasted more than 12 weeks
before open wounds on my right hip and left calf were healed

I am presently being treated for a yeast infection of my navel
with an cream containing 'Nystatin' ~100,000 units per mg
Am supposed to keep it dry, where, it appears to be self-wetting
and apply cream x4 daily
It has now been with me 3 almost-4 weeks
so, I guess I must be a slow-healer [these-years]

Normal ? I thought, that a RATE of 60-65-70 [AT REST] was /is normal
with 100-plus during exercise, then, being... ALSO NORMAL
depending on the activity [?]
AND that ABNORMAL rates would -be like
100 at rest or, 60 under exercise
which, would doubtless make us very uncomfortable

The "normal" was per a medical Internet page. Apparently normal various individuals at rest is different but usually is not higher than 1000 nor lower than 60. Don't quote me as an expert as I certainly am not.

It was low Blood Pressure, which gave 'me'
the symptoms you describe.... > due to arterial 'furring up'

AND... whilst I am not 'qualified' academically
to state that this is so~ I have read
# where, once we have absorbed the WRONG FATS
and our bodies adjust [accordingly] to deal with them
their effects, while remaining controllable, cannot be cured
[for the Genetic Changes, they, have 'encouraged' ]

# whilst, 'man' has been 'smoking' for hundreds of years
CANCER of all kinds is being attributed to it
[incl' passive smokers...]
ie NON SMOKERS ~those who inhale smoke of others

BUT, that despite the 'big-stick' it is getting in recent-times
smoking, is, but only ONE such 'possible-cause'

THAT, there are, so many carcinogenics in our environment these days
put-there, by commerce, whom are aware, [incidentally]
that these money-making PRODUCTS, are, just so- 'harmful'

In the 'case' of, ready-made cigarettes [for example]
the tobacco companies ADD chemicals to the tobacco
to make them BURN 'regularly' [without puffing on them]
The hand-rolling tobacco that I have smoked for many many years
hasnt, had this 'treatment'
Just, breathing the FRESH AIR in the streets can harm us

Pharmaceutical Companies
are looking at plants in virgin forests FOR 'CURES' .....WHY ?
Because, OIL, which took millions of years to form
and, was formed from plants...
the 'building blocks' of, evolving chemicals
can be [they hope] found growing 'there' [the ANTIDOTES]

Many plastics, are made from 'crude oil' [NOT just_ fuel]
These, can litter the environment for hundreds of years
before they 'break-down'
and NATURAL GAS,
which, formed_ above crude oil, when 'burned'
produces huge quantities of carbon monoxides AND hydrocarbons
all of them, injurious, to the health of, living tissue [life]

???? for the 'bucks'

Let us :pray:

:wave:

dave


Yes, indeed, let us pray that God's will be done and that we each will find and follow His will for ourselves!
 
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Thanks to everyone here for praying for me and mine. Most people do have good intentions when they pray for one another and God who knows all of the intentions in all of our hearts. The most important thing when any person prays to ask that it be in accord with His will rather than our own.
 
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Just in case it doesn't play for you here are the Lyrics.

An Evening Prayer:prayer:

(Dear Lord forgive)
If I have wounded some poor soul today if I have caused one foot to go astray
If I have walked in my own willful way dear Lord forgive
If I have uttered idol words in vain if I have turned aside from want or pain
Yes I offend some other through the strain dear Lord forgive
[ piano ]
Forgive the sins I have confessed to Thee forgive the secret sins I do not see
Guide me love me and my keeper be dear Lord forgive
(Dear Lord forgive)
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Heavenly Father, I thank you and praise you for all the lovely people here who are such faithful prayer warriors. I bring before you now all who need your comfort and healing, that they might know your presence in such a special way. I thank you for answered prayer and for your faithfulness to each and everyone one of us, whatever our individual needs may be. I know in my heart that you are truly King of Kings and Lord of all. I am so grateful that you are the great I AM. Amen.:prayer:
 
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Could I please get some prayer here today? I'm struggling mentally/emotionally with an issue of which I don't want to go into specificially. But I feel like I need some prayer support today. Thanks!

kk


awww kaykay, may the Lord bless you and keep you. may you know His loving presence in a very special and close way today and always.

love and blessings

ley :hug: :prayer: :hug:
 
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Oh heavenly Father
We hear the call of our sister kaykay
and raise her, unto your loving-care
May your will be done unto her
and your mercy, also, never be far away from those who need it so much
Lord, we know that we are imperfect in thy sight
but we revere your omnipotence and perfection

Lord, we seek to praise you and glorify your name
allow our faith in you to strengthen us, in times of weakness
and aid our direction [lead us] to fend off our foes
help us, to love those that irritate and offend us
in return for our loving acceptance, that none other will be your equal

Give us rest, when thy days, seem draining
and refresh us that we might carry more, in they footsteps
This we ask in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ
whom gave His life, that we might be saved before you
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awww kaykay, may the Lord bless you and keep you. may you know His loving presence in a very special and close way today and always.

love and blessings

ley :hug: :prayer: :hug:

Oh heavenly Father
We hear the call of our sister kaykay
and raise her, unto your loving-care
May your will be done unto her
and your mercy, also, never be far away from those who need it so much
Lord, we know that we are imperfect in thy sight
but we revere your omnipotence and perfection

Lord, we seek to praise you and glorify your name
allow our faith in you to strengthen us, in times of weakness
and aid our direction [lead us] to fend off our foes
help us, to love those that irritate and offend us
in return for our loving acceptance, that none other will be your equal

Give us rest, when thy days, seem draining
and refresh us that we might carry more, in they footsteps
This we ask in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ
whom gave His life, that we might be saved before you
amen
Thanks leyton and dave!
 
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Lord please part the clouds of confusion that hover over Kay at this time. Give her your wisdom and peace as she goes through this situation. Thank you that your love never fails and is new for us each and every day. Thank you for victory in Jesus name. Amen.
 
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