Poll - Once Saved Always Saved

[heymikey80]

Wow.. So what I am seeing basically through some on here is that if you do not work you cannot have salvation? Now what Gospel is this? For this is not the gospel of My Jesus..He tells me that If I believe in Him He gives me eternal life..

Yes, you're right, the Gospel of Jesus says to believe in Him for eternal life.

Salvation is for good works. Salvation is from faith. Salvation is not from works.

 

[Ormly]

Naw why don't you go back and read yourself. It is evident in the writings of some on here.

And it is evident to me that you don't read for understanding, desiring only to prove some man made reasoned doctrinal point of view that can't stand light of day.

 

[MamaZ]

Why would I want to understand anything to do with having to work for salvation when indeed salvation is at the expense of Christ which He has already paid for which is already finished? We as His Adopted Children are already bought with the Price of Christ blood..

 

[Ormly]

Why would I want to understand anything to do with having to work for salvation when indeed salvation is at the expense of Christ which He has already paid for which is already finished? We as His Adopted Children are already bought with the Price of Christ blood..

Why would you or anyone wilfully mis-construe arguments that say no such thing, as you wilfully suppose? My answer: Beats me! You must feel threatened in someway.

 

[MamaZ]

Why would you or anyone wilfully mis-construe arguments that say no such thing, as you wilfully suppose? My answer: Beats me! You must feel threatened in someway.

 

[jmacvols]

romans 11:6 grace cannot equal works

Works here refer to works of merit, not obedience to God's will.

eph 2:8 Faith and grace gift of God not of works

Again, works here refer to works of merit, not obedience to God's will

believe ....
baptized... 1 cor 12:12-13 God does this!

belief and baptism are commands given to man to do. 1 Cor 12:13 is reference to water baptism, as Paul water baptized some of the COrinthinas 1 Cor 1:14,16.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

With Faith for salvation NOT a gift. Wake up to that understanding and quit the circular reasoning.

eph 2:8 For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves : it is the gift of God.


eph 2:9 Not of works least any man can boast



romans 4:2 if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

 

[jmacvols]

Well I would say that it is not a mental but a heart.. Romans 10:9

belief is a form of obedience, "believeth" is contrasted to 'obeyeth not' in Jn 3:36 ASV, hence believing is obeying, Jesus calls belief a work in Jn 2:27ff.

Repent means what to you?

A change of life.

Notice we are to confess Him before man and not works..

Yes, but confession itself is a work, as in Rom 10:9,10>confess with the mouth.

 

[Ormly]

eph 2:8 For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves : it is the gift of God.


eph 2:9 Not of works least any man can boast



romans 4:2 if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

You are a hardhead. Faith is not a gift for salvation. Grace is to be received by ones own faith. Faith for believing the salvation message comes from the preacher who can convince me to have faith in what he is preaching I will respond to salvation. If he is anointed of the Holy Spirit he is doing his job. That is the it way works and none other. If he is anointed the rest is up to me to believe or walk away. That is elementary teaching. Accept that fact. Unless one is a reprobate he is capable of believing and responding from HIS faith.
Grow up, stop going circular so you can move on to more meaty teachings in Christ.

 

[MamaZ]

So if you believe the sky is blue is that obedience to the sky?

 

[chestertonrules]

Jhn 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
Jhn 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
Jhn 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
Jhn 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

So if one can "lose their salvation", then Jesus has lost one who was given to Him. Those who reject eternal security ultimately end up rejecting Christ's ability to fulfill the Father's will, which is that He lose none who were given to Him. Anyone who becomes saved has been given to Him, so if one is lost, then Christ has failed.

Jesus will not cast you out, but you can walk away.

 

[MamaZ]

You are a hardhead. Faith is not a gift for salvation. Grace is to be received by ones own faith. Faith for believing the salvation message comes from the preacher who can convince me to have faith in what he is preaching I will respond to salvation. That is the way works and none other. That is elementary teaching. Accept that fact. Unless one is a reprobate he is capable of believing and responding from HIS faith.
Grow up, stop going circular so you can move on to more meaty teachings in Christ.

So now you say that the faith is your own to be saved? Wow so you have the power to either save yourself or not? I would say what you are speaking about is more of not faith but of being talked into it.. Now where is it written that faith is of this substance? For Faith is the substance of things hope for and the evidence of things not seen. Now faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God.. Can one have faith with out the word?

 

[Ormly]

So now you say that the faith is your own to be saved? Wow so you have the power to either save yourself or not? I would say what you are speaking about is more of not faith but of being talked into it.. Now where is it written that faith is of this substance? For Faith is the substance of things hope for and the evidence of things not seen. Now faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God.. Can one have faith with out the word?

I stand by my previous remarks concerning your inability to read for understanding. It is willful.

 

[MamaZ]

Faith is not of yourself but is a gift of God.. Grace is poured out on all flesh.. It is the faith that is the gift that seals the deal..

 

[Ormly]

Faith is not of yourself but is a gift of God.. Grace is poured out on all flesh.. It is the faith that is the gift that seals the deal..

You are wrong and further discussion with you will be ignored where understanding faith is a consideration..

BTW, You didn't reply to my "soul sleep" question. Do believe in it?

 

[yashualover]

You are wrong and further discussion with you will be ignored where understanding faith is a consideration..

BTW, You didn't reply to my "soul sleep" question. Do believe in it?

Regeneration preceeds faith.

The natural man does not recieve the things of God.

The natural man does not want God neither does he seek after Him.

The natural man is dead in sins and loves his sin.

Only those whom the Father has given will be made born again, only those who have been given a new heart will seek after God and embrace truth.

 

[jmacvols]

Faith is not of yourself but is a gift of God.. Grace is poured out on all flesh.. It is the faith that is the gift that seals the deal..

Romans 10:17 faith comes by hearing the word of God, so faith is something that comes from within man. In Eph 2:8, if I recall, "faith" is in the feminine gender while "gift" is neuter, so faith and gift do not match in gender so faith is not the gift in this verse. Note in Acts that Paul told the jailer to "believe". "Believe" is in the imperative mood so Paul commanded the jailer to believe, which shows that belief comes from within himself. "IF" faith is given to men by God, then how does God decide whom to give this "gift" to and save and whom to withhold this gift from and cause to be lost? Those lost are lost due to God's fault for withholding faith from them, they cannot be held accountable for what they did or did not do if salvation is solely dependent upon God handing out faith.

 

[yashualover]

You are wrong and further discussion with you will be ignored where understanding faith is a consideration..

BTW, You didn't reply to my "soul sleep" question. Do believe in it?

When you speak of soul sleep, are you refering to pergatory?

 

[Ormly]

Regeneration preceeds faith.

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When, in the scriptures, did it ever?

 

[yashualover]

Faith is not of yourself but is a gift of God.. Grace is poured out on all flesh.. It is the faith that is the gift that seals the deal..

Greetings in the name of YHWH.

Can you show us scriptures where it says that Grace is poured out on all flesh.