Me too. I feel out of sorts longer about it.
Sounds like you haven’t read most of the New Testament. It’s a good read. I’d recommend it.I guess it's settled.....We can all get saved so that we can sin and still go to heaven. Since it's not possible to stop, according to many.
This definitely sounds like Good News, but is this the path that few find?
Holy Spirit reminding me (us) to repent and don't do it again.
We learn with time that the price for sinning is a heavy one.
I have been there and got the T-shirt,
I don't want to go back.
M-Bob
Sounds like you have read the New testament and interpreted it with your carnal mind, instead of asking God for wisdom. And i have no problem with you doing that...Sounds like you haven’t read most of the New Testament. It’s a good read. I’d recommend it.
I have no problem with you reading the New Testament, and interpreting it with your carnal mind, instead of asking God for wisdom either.Sounds like you have read the New testament and interpreted it with your carnal mind, instead of asking God for wisdom. And i have no problem with you doing that...
Begotten of God. The only begotten Son of God, Jesus.Something that’s always bothered me is there are a few verses in the Bible that say that a person who is born again will not or cannot sin.
“We know that whosoever is begotten of God sinneth not; but he that was begotten of God keepeth himself, and the evil one toucheth him not.”
1 John 5:18 ASV
“Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.”
1 John 3:9 ASV
These struck me as pretty strong evidence because even looking into the Greek I can’t find anything indicating that this is a mistranslation. Even looking into the definition of the Greek words I can’t find any indication that they can have an alternate meaning. Furthermore when I look into verses that say we all still sin they are worded in a way that could be referring to past sin and possibly not future or present sins. My heart tells me that all Christians will still sin no matter how hard we try not to. I’ve met many many extremely devoted Christians and all of them admit they still sin. I’ve actually never met a Christian in person who claims they don’t still sin. I find it very hard to believe that I’ve never met anyone who is born again. I have really tried very hard to devote my life to Christ. I’m always studying and trying to learn from other Christians who have different perspectives and no matter how hard I try to achieve this goal I fail. Now I don’t steal, lie, cheat, drink alcohol, harm or attack others, etc. Mostly my sins are things like doubt, worry, complaining, frustration, and occasionally pride. Maybe some light boasting in there as well. I believe that everyone will sin even after being born again. I believe there is a difference between being a slave to sin and occasionally stumbling in sin. As Christians we are no longer a slave to sin we are no longer controlled by our sinful nature but we are not perfect and will still stumble from time to time. This is what I believe. So I decided to create this poll to see what percentage of Christians claim they don’t sin and to perhaps see more perspectives on this subject to see if there’s some evidence I’m missing to help me better understand whether I’m just truly not born again or that everyone sins whether they are born again or not. In the event this becomes a debate between those who claim not to sin and those who claim they do sin I will remind everyone please refrain from saying that a person is not a Christian or is not born again as it is against the forum rules.
I guess it's settled.....We can all get saved so that we can sin and still go to heaven. Since it's not possible to stop, according to many.
This definitely sounds like Good News, but is this the path that few find?
Jesus gave Peter some good advice don't worry about the other person, follow Jesus.I guess it's settled.....We can all get saved so that we can sin and still go to heaven. Since it's not possible to stop, according to many.
This definitely sounds like Good News, but is this the path that few find?
1 John may help us realise we need to read fully from chapter 1 verse 1 though to the end, just as the expected listeners would listen. Paul also. Paul, like John, would never expect people to remove sentences from the rest without listening through fully.Something that’s always bothered me is there are a few verses in the Bible that say that a person who is born again will not or cannot sin.
“We know that whosoever is begotten of God sinneth not; but he that was begotten of God keepeth himself, and the evil one toucheth him not.”
1 John 5:18 ASV
“Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.”
1 John 3:9 ASV
These struck me as pretty strong evidence because even looking into the Greek I can’t find anything indicating that this is a mistranslation. Even looking into the definition of the Greek words I can’t find any indication that they can have an alternate meaning. Furthermore when I look into verses that say we all still sin they are worded in a way that could be referring to past sin and possibly not future or present sins. My heart tells me that all Christians will still sin no matter how hard we try not to. I’ve met many many extremely devoted Christians and all of them admit they still sin. I’ve actually never met a Christian in person who claims they don’t still sin. I find it very hard to believe that I’ve never met anyone who is born again. I have really tried very hard to devote my life to Christ. I’m always studying and trying to learn from other Christians who have different perspectives and no matter how hard I try to achieve this goal I fail. Now I don’t steal, lie, cheat, drink alcohol, harm or attack others, etc. Mostly my sins are things like doubt, worry, complaining, frustration, and occasionally pride. Maybe some light boasting in there as well. I believe that everyone will sin even after being born again. I believe there is a difference between being a slave to sin and occasionally stumbling in sin. As Christians we are no longer a slave to sin we are no longer controlled by our sinful nature but we are not perfect and will still stumble from time to time. This is what I believe. So I decided to create this poll to see what percentage of Christians claim they don’t sin and to perhaps see more perspectives on this subject to see if there’s some evidence I’m missing to help me better understand whether I’m just truly not born again or that everyone sins whether they are born again or not. In the event this becomes a debate between those who claim not to sin and those who claim they do sin I will remind everyone please refrain from saying that a person is not a Christian or is not born again as it is against the forum rules.
Wrong... Show me the text which states "when"When we sin we ask God for forgiveness. It's not possible to live this life and not sin. Jesus gave us a way to turn to the Father and ask for forgiveness. Jesus also gave us the 'Our Father Prayer' which we pray and in the prayer it says "Forgive us our trespasses".
God knows we are weak. He gave us a way to truly repent when we fall.
I guess it's settled.....We can all get saved so that we can sin and still go to heaven. Since it's not possible to stop, according to many.
This definitely sounds like Good News, but is this the path that few find?
JUst because Christ knew he would not repent and knew Peter would repent does not mean they did not have the same access to the same power. Do not blame the lack of "God given power" for your sins, but blame yourself. Judas could not blame lack of power.Judas didn't have the same power available to him. He was the last part of this verse:
except the one headed for destruction, as the Scriptures foretold.”
John 17:12
In the flesh.if your living after the flesh you being carnal if your thinking from fleshly reasoning your thinking carnally .I have no problem with you reading the New Testament, and interpreting it with your carnal mind, instead of asking God for wisdom either.
Jesus said we are all carnal. I believe Jesus!
True.JUst because Christ knew he would not repent and knew Peter would repent does not mean they did not have the same access to the same power. Do not blame the lack of "God given power" for your sins, but blame yourself. Judas could not blame lack of power.
Wrong... Show me the text which states "when"
That is everythinh WRONG with an unrepentant heart.
It does not say When..as if its some cheap common occurance.
Its says... IF ... If denites a tragic one off mess uo.
Your advice verse is well outside the context of his statment.if we were to apply the verse like your using it then we would have no right to ever preach the gospel. Something which we are commanded to do(though probably less then 1%of church attendees ever speak the Gospel to another human)Jesus gave Peter some good advice don't worry about the other person, follow Jesus.
Romans 14:4
(4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
John 21:22-23
(22) Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
(23) Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
Are you saying a prerequisite to joining the group of 12 was to believe Jesus was the Messiah?I believe Judas would’ve never received the Holy Spirit because I don’t believe he ever believed according to John 6:64. As for Peter the Holy Spirit doesn’t stop someone from sinning. He only urges them not to.
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