Hal A Peno
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------------------------------------------------------------------------Who are they? Most agree the passage includes the destruction of the temple, but if some accept Mathew 24 all happened in AD 70, they get a few handfuls of verses wrong. Preterism, gets about 1,000 verse wrong. See the difference?
----------------------------------------------Who are they? Most agree the passage includes the destruction of the temple, but if some accept Mathew 24 all happened in AD 70, they get a few handfuls of verses wrong. Preterism, gets about 1,000 verse wrong. See the difference?
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I read your copy and paste articles, maybe you can help me identify those who believe the above.
Copy and paste. It can make the most eneducated person LOOK like they know what they're talking about. So take the time, show me who these people are that fill the top slot.
From all of the evidence, it appears that you must be an halapenoist.THIS HAS TURNED INTO AN UNFRUITFUL ARGUMENT. MOST OF THE PEOPLE YOU QUOTE do not AGREE WITH YOUR ORIGINAL POST...
This has become unfruitful. You're bent on post after post trying to say these people agree with your initial statement AND THEY DON'T!
You said,
Most of the people you've quoted disagree with that.
Believing the works of others is what misleads millions these days. I try to saty away from the big shots. They've become an abomination and mislead millions.
Preterism, it's the single most repulsive abomination to God Almighty.
The tribulation is a seven year period that was supposed to happen immediately following the resurrection. When the Messiah was rejected it was put on indefinite hold. The term in the Greek is usually translated persecution but it can also me trouble or wrath. In order to understand the tribulation you have to realize there are three judgments that occur, the seals at the beginning, trumpets in the middle and vials right at the end.I have studied the Scriptures for decades. I have entertained every possible consideration of when Yeshua come for his Bride.
In every case, in every discussion, Believers speak about a time when prophecy indicates the people of G-d being caught up to meet Yeshua in the air, as stated in Matthew 24.
Each of them describes a Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Post-Trib, Pan-Trib reference point. Each argues vehemently for their particular view in relation to the final 7 years of Daniel's prophecy. And yet, Yeshua states quite clearly what will happen, and in what order.
So, with all the positions anyone can take in regard to the Day of Jacob's Trouble, which occurs at the end of the final 7 Years of the prophecy in Daniel, what is the Tribulation that is spoken of? What makes it Tribulation? For it seems to me that the definition one uses of Tribulation is paramount in your Eschatological position, and what caused that Tribulation.
Matthew 24:2-31 (KJV)
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The seals aren't judgments. What you're saying is that this is God's judgment???....
...and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another
With the end of the Trumpets God's kingdom is established upon the earth. That will happen at the sounding of the seventh chapter in the eleventh chapter when the testimony of the two witnesses is concluded in Jerusalem. This is half way through the tribulation but the armies of the Antichrist have survived and they appear to be having a big party for the second half of the tribulation. Even after the vials of wrath, they are still standing but when Christ returns it's over in an instant.And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
God judges us once at the end of tribulation, and he sends judgment upon the followers of the beast beginning in Revelation 9 through the vials.
I think they are judgment in the sense that God just brings it out. At this time Israel is in the eye of the storm listening to the two witnesses and wishing they would just stop. During the trumpet blasts it finally sets in that this covenant of death was a mistake.The seals are events that lead up to the revelation of the man of sin. The four horsemen are just that. Four different end-time people who bring upon mankind four different events and their results. They are not God's judgment, or the man of sin. Hewever, God does use the man of sin in the end to bring Israel back to Him, but that's not the purpose of the seals.