Phil 2:6 - Co-Equal - Oneness

[BrotherJJ]

I think your confusion is being caused by Jesus being 100% man as well as 100% God. The Gospels convey his communications as a man for the most part.

1st:
I posted this in thread #5:
The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are each/all God.

Father is God: (Jn 6:27, Rom 1:7, 1 Pet 1:2) to name a few

Jesus the Son is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 3:16, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 13:14

2ndly:
I posted this in thread #17 Christ is God our Creator: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6.

3rdly:
Find this in the OP:

Jn 1:1 states the Word/Jesus is God Vs 14 states He/God the Son/Word, became flesh & lived/walked among us. 1 Tim 3:16 states: God/Jesus was manifest in the flesh, Matt 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child you shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. The notion that He wasn't always 100% God in the flesh is contrary to scripture

I'll parse that a bit more here:


Jn 1:1 the Word/Jesus/GOD the Son began WITH not AS the Father
Was sent by His Father (Jn 3:16) left heaven (Jn 6:38) & His Father, then created our universe
Jn 1:14 became flesh & lived/walked among us.
1 Tim 3:16 states: God the Son/Jesus was manifest in the flesh,
Matt 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child you shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The notion that He wasn't always 100% God while in the flesh is contrary to scripture

Do you know any other human [EVER] that [to name a few] did [ALL] this:

Spoke to a fig tree, the wind, raging waters, sickness, disease, demons, death & [ALL] obeyed.

BTW; After 4 days, when Jesus told Lazarus to come forward. I believe, if He didn't call to Lazarus specifically everybody in the grave would have came walking out.

People can't just make Jesus out to be God when it's convenient to their position.

Feel free to enlighten me as to where exactly I'm confused as to Jesus deity.

 

[Andrewn]

I think your confusion is being caused by Jesus being 100% man as well as 100% God. The Gospels convey his communications as a man for the most part.

No, this is not the issue. As I mentioned is post #30, @BrotherJJ believes that the members of the Godhead are three separate beings. He never denied it.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

There isnt a Father Son and Holy Ghost?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

What scripture is wrong that he is posting?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

How is separate defined and how is one defined or not separate, where is this stuff in scripture?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

What? Does BrotherJJ need to get better with using spiritual word salad outside the text?

 

[disciple Clint]

1st:
I posted this in thread #5:
The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are each/all God.

Father is God: (Jn 6:27, Rom 1:7, 1 Pet 1:2) to name a few

Jesus the Son is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 3:16, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 13:14

2ndly:
I posted this in thread #17 Christ is God our Creator: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6.

3rdly:
Find this in the OP:

Jn 1:1 states the Word/Jesus is God Vs 14 states He/God the Son/Word, became flesh & lived/walked among us. 1 Tim 3:16 states: God/Jesus was manifest in the flesh, Matt 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child you shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. The notion that He wasn't always 100% God in the flesh is contrary to scripture

I'll parse that a bit more here:


Jn 1:1 the Word/Jesus/GOD the Son began WITH not AS the Father
Was sent by His Father (Jn 3:16) left heaven (Jn 6:38) & His Father, then created our universe
Jn 1:14 became flesh & lived/walked among us.
1 Tim 3:16 states: God the Son/Jesus was manifest in the flesh,
Matt 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child you shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The notion that He wasn't always 100% God while in the flesh is contrary to scripture

Do you know any other human [EVER] that [to name a few] did [ALL] this:

Spoke to a fig tree, the wind, raging waters, sickness, disease, demons, death & [ALL] obeyed.

BTW; After 4 days, when Jesus told Lazarus to come forward. I believe, if He didn't call to Lazarus specifically everybody in the grave would have came walking out.

People can't just make Jesus out to be God when it's convenient to their position.

Feel free to enlighten me as to where exactly I'm confused as to Jesus deity.

I think the major issue may be Subordinationism, I am trying to follow your thought process based on the Scriptures you are quoting, your position is not as easily determined as you think that it is and you have consistently avoided answering direct questions preferring to be somewhat circumspect. At this point my impression is that you do not accept the doctrine of the Economic Trinity.
Also I have some questions regarding your understanding of the Hypostatic Union because you have given me the impression that you do not agree that Jesus has a human rational mind and will as well as having the mind and will of God. As I said it is hard for me to be certain exactly what you position is so forgive me if I am incorrect in my conclusions and please clarify it for me.
Subordinationism | What is Subordinationism?
Hypostatic Union | What is Hypostatic Union? | Define Hypostatic Union

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Economic trinity? Hypostatic union? Who makes up these words?

 

[disciple Clint]

No, this is not the issue. As I mentioned is post #30, @BrotherJJ believes that the members of the Godhead are three separate beings. He never denied it.

You are doing better than I am, I am still trying to get him to take ownership of what he believes. But if he think there are people and not three persons that is easy to clear up. If there are three people only one can be God, there can only be one all powerful being anything else is a logical contradiction.

 

[disciple Clint]

Economic trinity? Hypostatic union? Who makes up these words?

I think it all started with people who had too much time on their hands so they invented Theology.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

I think it all started with people who had too much time on their hands so they invented Theology.

Very likely, I mean, my goodness its not fun to get smacked in the face with that stuff, I'm always like WHATS DAT?! I have to answer for that? You kidding me?? They always seem so out of place when reasoning from the scriptures. You get a good flow, lay everything out then in comes the dreaded overly complicated questions contained in hypostatic and economic God stuffs? Then the shake down stuff (which you cannot pull up a scripture for) but need to some how answer for it. I probably didnt put that right, but you know what I mean, who wants to sit paging through somebody elses theories (to answer for) so someone else can figure you out by their stuff? How awkward is that?

Everytime one of those come in I always think "ew, not again".

 

[disciple Clint]

Very likely, I mean, my goodness its not fun to get smacked in the face with that stuff, I'm always like WHATS DAT?! I have to answer for that? You kidding me?? They always seem so out of place when reasoning from the scriptures. You get a good flow, lay everything out then in comes the dreaded overly complicated questions contained in hypostatic and economic God stuffs? Then the shake down stuff (which you cannot pull up a scripture for) but need to some how answer for it. I probably didnt put that right, but you know what I mean, who wants to sit paging through somebody elses theories (to answer for) so someone else can figure you out by their stuff? How awkward is that?

Everytime one of those come in I always think "ew, not again".

When I decided to study Theology, I thought to myself, how difficult can that be? I have read the Bible how many questions can a prof come up with about it, should be an easy major. Well that was years ago, it didn't take long to get in over my head.

 

[BrotherJJ]

I think the major issue may be

Clint,
Can we try a different approach?

Leaving all of our other thread exchanges behind.

Will you answer 1 question [no vids, documents, websites]

1) Do you believe Jesus [the Jesus that choose Peter, Matt etc.] is 100% God in the flesh?

 

[Andrewn]

If there are three people only one can be God, there can only be one all powerful being anything else is a logical contradiction.

What you said is absolutely true. It is really the bottomline that destroys his theories, and it should be simple enough to understand. But, compare what you wrote to the following:

Godhead

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

When I decided to study Theology, I thought to myself, how difficult can that be? I have read the Bible how many questions can a prof come up with about it, should be an easy major. Well that was years ago, it didn't take long to get in over my head.

Okay so how does scripture define beings and and how many beings does scripture say there are? Like the LORD have a soul, when the LORD said unto our Lord sit at my right hand did he make his soul an offering through his spirit or by the Spirit?

Like how does that work according to scripture to define a man heretic?

Did Christ glorify himself to be made a high priest even? And if made a high priest, to who? Why is a mediator needed, just a bunch of questions.

Is oneness defined as the same? Like how God made the two one in Adam, one come out from the other, they are two but one flesh and he called their name Adam. Jesus also come out from God, and Jesus said I and the Father are one, but likewise does he pray they his disciples would be one as He and the Father are. But that sure wouldnt make us God because we might be one spirit with him.

How are all these things set up to condemn a person for their beliefs according to the scripural lay out rather then by these guys who sit over things as a kind of board of directors using their fancy shmacy word speaks you cant find in scripture?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

What you said is absolutely true. It is really the bottomline that destroys his theories, and it should be simple enough to understand. But, compare what you wrote to the following:

Godhead

In Christ is the fulness of the Godhead

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

He did not speak of himself.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Does a "being" mean one soul, because it appears the LORD has a soul

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul (nephesh) hateth.

Again he expresses the same here concerning Christ

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul (nephesh) delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

It speaks of His making Jesus soul an offering

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul (nephesh) an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

And after offering himself for sin is shown here

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And we are to know

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

So you can see as you go through scripture, the mention of their souls and in one both spirit and soul and mentioned so to show they are not speaking of the same

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Is that a hyperstaticy union thingy or no?

And if ever I dont respond back fast you have to assume I am on vacation for a few days (then I will be back)

 

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