[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] How would you secure the border?

[Hank77]

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"As national concern mounts over Arizona's porous border, the Yuma Sector, its fence and its techniques have received considerable attention from politicians who point to the Border Patrol's success in securing the region.

The Border Patrol catches virtually every person who attempts to cross border in this sector, Lowry said. Once a person is captured trying to cross illegally, he or she is prosecuted through the federal court system in Yuma and eventually deported....

Far fewer people attempt to cross here now. The number of people apprehended in the Yuma Sector's dropped from 138,500 in 2005 to just over 7,000 in 2010, according to Border Patrol statistics."
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local...-fence-has-politicians-pointing-yuma-success/

Well isn't that just so cool. I'm obviously talking about people building a fence in the heat and you are talking about border patrol.

 

[JustOneWay]

"As national concern mounts over Arizona's porous border, the Yuma Sector, its fence and its techniques have received considerable attention from politicians who point to the Border Patrol's success in securing the region.

The Border Patrol catches virtually every person who attempts to cross border in this sector, Lowry said. Once a person is captured trying to cross illegally, he or she is prosecuted through the federal court system in Yuma and eventually deported....

Far fewer people attempt to cross here now. The number of people apprehended in the Yuma Sector's dropped from 138,500 in 2005 to just over 7,000 in 2010, according to Border Patrol statistics."
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local...-fence-has-politicians-pointing-yuma-success/

Fewer people cross there because it is hotter than Hades, and there is nothing there. Besides if they build a section of fence, people simply cross down the road because we cannot man the entire border. the virtual border is for the more mountainous areas because building a fence is costly to build and man.

 

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[Jan Volkes]

I don't get this thinking. Adding Mexico to the union gives 122 million people citizenship, and all the added benefits.

Just curious but what 'benefits' might those be?

I seriously doubt if Mexicans in general would want to become Americans and give up their Universal Health Care.

 

[Hank77]

I seriously doubt if Mexicans in general would want to become Americans and give up their Universal Health Care

Are you suggesting the we, in the US, should stop our totally free and partially free medical programs for our poor and working poor, in order to secure the border?

 

[Paradoxum]

I was painting you a picture of what's to come if we do not decide to do anything to slow or inhibit illegal immigration. You asked what's wrong with it, and the answer surely has to account for what's developing. Few people are outraged by the thought of a small number of illegals. That's not really the issue.

I suppose it depends how bad the problem gets. 25% sounds unlikely high to me.

 

[^j^RaspberryAngel]

Are you suggesting the we, in the US, should stop our totally free and partially free medical programs for our poor and working poor, in order to secure the border?

Of course not. What I'd suggest is we don't give our totally free and partially free medical programs to those who commit a crime and are rewarded rather than prosecuted for that. But instead reap the rewards of their criminality and therein encourage others by that example to follow suit.

 

[[serious]]

How would you secure the border?

Depends, which border?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Depends, which border?

Sorry I asked.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Are you suggesting the we, in the US, should stop our totally free and partially free medical programs for our poor and working poor, in order to secure the border?

You really don't know do you? not to worry because there are millions like you in the US, I bet you still think that the US is the greatest country in the world.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Of course not. What I'd suggest is we don't give our totally free and partially free medical programs to those who commit a crime and are rewarded rather than prosecuted for that. But instead reap the rewards of their criminality and therein encourage others by that example to follow suit.

Another one who doesn't understand.

 

[Willtor]

I'd work with the Mexican government to try to stabilize the country. I think the biggest thing that can be done is to decriminalize drug possession, and offer free clinics for people who want to get clean. The key thing is to destabilize/defund the cartels.

 

[ananda]

Each bordering sovereign State should place a defence force at their border with Mexico and Canada. Make it a felony as treasonous behavior for citizens to house, hire, or otherwise shelter foreign invaders. Restrict all financial assistance programs to citizens. Each sovereign State should notify their counterparts, the sovereign States of Mexico and Canada, that their nationals unlawfully entering would be considered an Act of War. If Mexico and Canada cannot or does not have the means to control their citizens, then declare War.

 

[Willtor]

Okay, I'm having a hard time telling who's being serious in this thread.

 

[stamperben]

Okay, I'm having a hard time telling who's being serious in this thread.

More than you'd wish were...

 

[Willtor]

More than you'd wish were...

I appreciate and agree that we can't support a massive influx of illegal immigrants and that this brings a lot of socio-economic problems, but... this eagerness to hurt people trying to escape an unstable country...

 

[ananda]

I appreciate and agree that we can't support a massive influx of illegal immigrants and that this brings a lot of socio-economic problems, but... this eagerness to hurt people trying to escape an unstable country...

Do you live in a house or apartment with walls? May I freely enter your home to help myself to your things, to relieve my suffering and the unstable situation I am facing outside of your home? I promise it won't be a massive influx ... just me, my family, and relatives, and maybe a few friends, their families and perhaps their friends too.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'd work with the Mexican government to try to stabilize the country. I think the biggest thing that can be done is to decriminalize drug possession, and offer free clinics for people who want to get clean. The key thing is to destabilize/defund the cartels.

Trouble is that the Mexican government is corrupted, with drug money.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I appreciate and agree that we can't support a massive influx of illegal immigrants and that this brings a lot of socio-economic problems, but... this eagerness to hurt people trying to escape an unstable country...

It's them or us. Hungary is closing it's border with Serbia, with barbed wire and their armed forces. They are being overrun with refugees fleeing from ISIS. Germany is facing a refugee flood of nearly a million in the coming months as well. France, Denmark, and Britain face the same influx. Illegals from central and south America are nowhere near in as desperate straits as those fleeing the middle east. Most aren't fleeing oppression or danger, but coming for ATM-America.

 

[Armoured]

Why does immigration matter this much to some people? Just wondering.

That was my first question. How much would such infrastructure and operations cost, and how many immigrants would you need to stop before it was cost efficient?