[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] How would you secure the border?

[Paradoxum]

Immigration doesn't.

Illegal immigration does.

And unlimited immigration does.

Why is illegal immigration such a problem to some people? I'm not saying it means nothing.

 

[Paradoxum]

It isn't immigration which is the issue, it is illegal immigration which is the issue.

Why? I get why it's an issue, but it seems to be a big issue for some people.

 

[Vylo]

I would use the military, regular fences like we have now. I would try to stop employers of illegals, while opening up larger quotas for legal immigration from mexico and south America.

I would entertain the idea of adding mexico to the union, because a country with that amount of resources would be pretty much unstoppable.

 

[Vylo]

Why is illegal immigration such a problem to some people? I'm not saying it means nothing.

It dilutes the job market, increases crime, increases health problems and presents a security risk.

 

[bhsmte]

Why? I get why it's an issue, but it seems to be a big issue for some people.

Any country needs to have secure borders and or not have millions of illegals coming into their country each year.

 

[JustOneWay]

I would entertain the idea of adding mexico to the union, because a country with that amount of resources would be pretty much unstoppable.

I don't get this thinking. Adding Mexico to the union gives 122 million people citizenship, and all the added benefits.

White America would instantly be a minority....


LOL

 

[^j^RaspberryAngel]

I'd employ those who fence super max prisons. Certainly the barrier would include a submerged, underground in other words, system that would detect tunneling.
This after ground penetrating satellites found the existing tunnels and destroyed them with explosives.

I'd install towers, like those that are in super max systems. Orders would be shoot to kill if anyone thinks to breach, since it would be near impossible unless they went to extremes.
Policy would be then to take the corpse and deposit it on the Mexico side of the fence.

While illegals currently in country would be rounded up and incarcerated in labor camps. In-sourcing industry with their labor at the fore.

I don't think an expensive 'wall' as suggested by Trump is the answer. I would rather see a lighted chain link/razor wire fence, manned by security forces all along it's length. Guard dogs would augment the security personnel.

Bright lights would illuminate the southern area at night while the northern area would be dark to any illegals who approach. The open wire would allow complete visibility at all times. Lighting costs would be reduced greatly by the use of pv systems.

The primary cost would be personnel, which would be provided by active duty Armed Services, state National Guard units, law enforcement, and dedicated border guard units. Since these personnel are already being paid there would be little or no cost for their service.

Whole military units could be deployed to remote sectors of the fence and conduct field training exercises in conjunction with fence duty. It would be good training for fighting in the deserts of the middle east.

If remote sectors show little or no illegal activity personnel could be reduced or redeployed to problem areas as needed. Military transport units would also rotate in for training, ensuring the quick mobility of personnel as needed.

This plan would minimize the cost of infrastructure and maximize the effectiveness by allowing more 'boots on the ground'. Thus the 'barrier' to entry would be invested more in personnel than an expensive, easily breached, unguarded wall.

 

[Red Fox]

I don't get this thinking. Adding Mexico to the union gives 122 million people citizenship, and all the added benefits.

White America would instantly be a minority....

LOL

I doubt they'll go for that and the panic it could cause.

 

[Albion]

Why is illegal immigration such a problem to some people? I'm not saying it means nothing.

Think of your country if, say, 25% of its population was made up of mainly undereducated recent arrivals who did not speak your language, living who knows where, using a variety of names, needing health care and education for the kids, and so on, and working in the underground economy during a time of national unemployment...and no ability of the government to regulate the flow into the country, to screen for communicable illnesses, or to intercept criminals engaged in running contraband or planning terrorist attacks. Some people have compared it to fertilizing your lawn. Yes, fertilizer makes everything stronger and better, but not if you pour pounds of it on the lawn every day.

 

[Paradoxum]

Think of your country if, say, 25% of its population was made up of mainly undereducated recent arrivals who did not speak your language, living who knows where, using a variety of names, needing health care and education for the kids, and so on, and working in the underground economy during a time of national unemployment...and no ability of the government to regulate the flow into the country, to screen for communicable illnesses, or to intercept criminals engaged in running contraband or planning terrorist attacks.

The US population is 25% is illegal immigrants? I'm not sure that's true.

In the UK a lot of people have issues with unlimited legal immigration from eastern Europe. I'm not on their side. I don't think immigration is a major problem.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

aren't their reservations that cr

I don't think an expensive 'wall' as suggested by Trump is the answer. I would rather see a lighted chain link/razor wire fence, manned by security forces all along it's length. Guard dogs would augment the security personnel.

Bright lights would illuminate the southern area at night while the northern area would be dark to any illegals who approach. The open wire would allow complete visibility at all times. Lighting costs would be reduced greatly by the use of pv systems.

The primary cost would be personnel, which would be provided by active duty Armed Services, state National Guard units, law enforcement, and dedicated border guard units. Since these personnel are already being paid there would be little or no cost for their service.

Whole military units could be deployed to remote sectors of the fence and conduct field training exercises in conjunction with fence duty. It would be good training for fighting in the deserts of the middle east.

If remote sectors show little or no illegal activity personnel could be reduced or redeployed to problem areas as needed. Military transport units would also rotate in for training, ensuring the quick mobility of personnel as needed.

This plan would minimize the cost of infrastructure and maximize the effectiveness by allowing more 'boots on the ground'. Thus the 'barrier' to entry would be invested more in personnel than an expensive, easily breached, unguarded wall.

the manpower to patrol that huge border would be ridiculous. I would say we would need to withdraw troops from Afghanistan to make sure no gaps are left uncovered. if you want to be thorough that is.

Edit: and also punish anybody who hires illegals severely. like.. almost to the point of bankruptcy. An extreme response? well how about you guys hire americans. You aren't patriots if you don't want to spend money to hire americans.

 

[Hank77]

also punish anybody who hires illegals severely

Right now the law reads that the government will impose a $10,000 fine for each illegal employee. That law is not enforced. Why hasn't it been? Because even large corp. such as Brown and Root (Halliburton) have knowingly employed illegals.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Right now the law reads that the government will impose a $10,000 fine for each illegal employee. That law is not enforced. Why hasn't it been? Because even large corp. such as Brown and Root (Halliburton) have knowingly employed illegals.

Oh We already have such a law? We need to be enforcing that, but I wouldn't be surprised if Haliburton spends a few million every year for a propaganda media campaign to distract people from the working illegals by pointing out the probably handful of non-working criminal ones.

 

[Red Fox]

Right now the law reads that the government will impose a $10,000 fine for each illegal employee. That law is not enforced. Why hasn't it been? Because even large corp. such as Brown and Root (Halliburton) have knowingly employed illegals.

IOW, on one hand, they put up a good front by griping and complaining about immigrants from Mexico being in this country, but on the other hand, rather underhanded and deceptively, they employ these immigrants for the cheap labor, while pretending to be all upset about the problem of "illegal immigration" in this country.

 

[katerinah1947]

I don't think an expensive 'wall' as suggested by Trump is the answer. I would rather see a lighted chain link/razor wire fence, manned by security forces all along it's length. Guard dogs would augment the security personnel.

Bright lights would illuminate the southern area at night while the northern area would be dark to any illegals who approach. The open wire would allow complete visibility at all times. Lighting costs would be reduced greatly by the use of pv systems.

The primary cost would be personnel, which would be provided by active duty Armed Services, state National Guard units, law enforcement, and dedicated border guard units. Since these personnel are already being paid there would be little or no cost for their service.

Whole military units could be deployed to remote sectors of the fence and conduct field training exercises in conjunction with fence duty. It would be good training for fighting in the deserts of the middle east.

If remote sectors show little or no illegal activity personnel could be reduced or redeployed to problem areas as needed. Military transport units would also rotate in for training, ensuring the quick mobility of personnel as needed.

This plan would minimize the cost of infrastructure and maximize the effectiveness by allowing more 'boots on the ground'. Thus the 'barrier' to entry would be invested more in personnel than an expensive, easily breached, unguarded wall.

Hi,

If they assigned me that job, then I would have four barriers, the first would be a 4 foot high fence. That is the border.

Ten to twenty feet from there would be a ten foot fence with camers and sensors, yes vibration sensors, and day night cameras all auto tracking.

Ten to twenty feet back from there would be an 11 foot fence with the same sensors.

The Last fence would be ten to twenty feet back also, and now 12 foot high, with full sensors.

At, this point, there is no missunderstandings, and all monitoring is done automatically, plus apprehension is quite easy interwall, and drones can do much.

That is how I would do it, however my Congress uses illegals I think, to reward their richest friends with cheap labor.

So, imagine them talking about, what might be the real problem?

Has not the illegal issue been going on since 1940 or earlier?

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[Hank77]

Oh We already have such a law? We need to be enforcing that, but I wouldn't be surprised if Haliburton spends a few million every year for a propaganda media campaign to distract people from the working illegals by pointing out the probably handful of non-working criminal ones.

Corps. lobby in Washington and donate huge amounts of money to SuperPacs that support election candidates.

 

[Albion]

The US population is 25% is illegal immigrants? I'm not sure that's true.

I was painting you a picture of what's to come if we do not decide to do anything to slow or inhibit illegal immigration. You asked what's wrong with it, and the answer surely has to account for what's developing. Few people are outraged by the thought of a small number of illegals. That's not really the issue.

 

[Albion]

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[Hank77]

<STAFF EDIT>
Think large construction equipment. A lot of the hard labor can be done with heavy equipment. Nobody will need to dig fence posts or lift heavy fencing by hand.

 

[JustOneWay]

Think large construction equipment. A lot of the hard labor can be done with heavy equipment. Nobody will need to dig fence posts or lift heavy fencing by hand.

We are going to have people guarding the border sitting in heavy equipment? OK

I drive by dozens of border patrol agents every day on their daily 60 mile trip to the border. Their windows are up so I assume they have working AC. Guess the government is going to have to buy thousands more vehicles....