[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] How would you secure the border?

[Armoured]

It's them or us. Hungary is closing it's border with Serbia, with barbed wire and their armed forces. They are being overrun with refugees fleeing from ISIS. Germany is facing a refugee flood of nearly a million in the coming months as well. France, Denmark, and Britain face the same influx. Illegals from central and south America are nowhere near in as desperate straits as those fleeing the middle east. Most aren't fleeing oppression or danger, but coming for ATM-America.

"Them or us"?

In poker, we call that a "tell".

 

[Willtor]

Do you live in a house or apartment with walls? May I freely enter your home to help myself to your things, to relieve my suffering and the unstable situation I am facing outside of your home? I promise it won't be a massive influx ... just me, my family, and relatives, and maybe a few friends, their families and perhaps their friends too.

This is not a response to what I wrote.

 

[Willtor]

Trouble is that the Mexican government is corrupted, with drug money.

Decriminalize the drugs. Force the price down and reduce demand. Make the drug money dry up.

 

[Willtor]

It's them or us. Hungary is closing it's border with Serbia, with barbed wire and their armed forces. They are being overrun with refugees fleeing from ISIS. Germany is facing a refugee flood of nearly a million in the coming months as well. France, Denmark, and Britain face the same influx. Illegals from central and south America are nowhere near in as desperate straits as those fleeing the middle east. Most aren't fleeing oppression or danger, but coming for ATM-America.

It is never "them or us." These aren't Nazis coming over the hill to kill us. They're poor families escaping bad conditions to find slightly less bad conditions. So, let's work to improve the conditions in Mexico and South America. There's a lot of low-hanging fruit, here. If you're an American first and a Christian second, and if you don't see the face of God in their faces, then at least let me appeal to your wallet: It's cheaper to rehabilitate drug addicts than to build a wall.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Decriminalize the drugs. Force the price down and reduce demand. Make the drug money dry up.

. That's all we really need to do, except to inform drug users that if they overdose.......TS.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It is never "them or us." These aren't Nazis coming over the hill to kill us. They're poor families escaping bad conditions to find slightly less bad conditions. So, let's work to improve the conditions in Mexico and South America. There's a lot of low-hanging fruit, here. If you're an American first and a Christian second, and if you don't see the face of God in their faces, then at least let me appeal to your wallet: It's cheaper to rehabilitate drug addicts than to build a wall.

Cheaper? We're $18Trillion in debt and growing. It's always 'them or us'. I choose 'us'. Understand that if we don't stop the flow of illegals (and legals as well) their entire population will soon be knocking at the door. You can only load so many on a boat before the whole thing sinks and everyone is lost.

 

[Hank77]

That was my first question. How much would such infrastructure and operations cost, and how many immigrants would you need to stop before it was cost efficient?

What has the war on drugs already cost us both in money and lives? They are not coming just from Mexico but from Central and South America as well. We only have so many resources. The immigrants that are already here don't want us to keep letting these criminals into our country. Their children's lives are affected, their children are joining gangs, and dying from violence and drugs.

Decriminalize the drugs. Force the price down and reduce demand. Make the drug money dry up.

This would take several years to turn around even if we legalized all drugs tomorrow.

 

[Viren]

Thousands of drones equipped with infrared cameras.

 

[Grafted In]

Dredge the Rio Grande deeper and much wider. Float navy cruisers along its length. West of El Paso dig a trench to the Pacific and do the same thing. Then as a final act to stop all who would want to cross, dome it with smooth clear glass in its entirety. That way if anyone did dare to dig into it we could use a poisonous gas in it to stop the illegals. Heck, just keep the gas in the dome full time! That way we wouldn't have to waste the naval resources.

No,no,no. A system of powerful space-based lasers that are directed at the border and swing from side to side along its length at the speed of light so that nothing can pass over the border without being vaporized.

 

[Armoured]

This would take several years to turn around even if we legalized all drugs tomorrow.

So what, better to keep up the failed paradigm that has already been proven not to work?

 

[Armoured]

No,no,no. A system of powerful space-based lasers that are directed at the border and swing from side to side along its length at the speed of light so that nothing can pass over the border without being vaporized.

How about a trench of flaming kerosene? Think of the jobs it would create in the petrochemical industry!

 

[Jan Volkes]

Trouble is that the Mexican government is corrupted, with drug money.

The American government is corrupted by [who knows where the money comes from] what difference does it make where the money comes from if it corrupts just the same.

That is one of the reason most Americans are disliked, they never question their own motives or reasons for doing things,
they just assume that they are always right, perhaps it's because some are slow learners and are just overgrown jocks,
strength coupled with very little knowledge tends to do that.

 

[Willtor]

. That's all we really need to do, except to inform drug users that if they overdose.......TS.

Rehabilitation centers are an essential part of this. Without them, the demand doesn't decrease and Mexico doesn't stabilize.

Cheaper? We're $18Trillion in debt and growing. It's always 'them or us'. I choose 'us'. Understand that if we don't stop the flow of illegals (and legals as well) their entire population will soon be knocking at the door. You can only load so many on a boat before the whole thing sinks and everyone is lost.

Cheaper.

I'm aware that we have a lot of debt. So, apart from having dubious value, a wall is wasting money when we're financially in a tight spot.

 

[Willtor]

...

This would take several years to turn around even if we legalized all drugs tomorrow.

IMO, we shouldn't legalize them (except for marijuana). They should remain controlled substances.

That said, the cartels have a massive income, but they aren't wealthy. Basically every dollar that comes in, goes back out to enforcers, transportation, bribes, etc. The leaders are wealthy, but not wealthy on the scale such that they can sustain the machine. We could crash the market.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Rehabilitation centers are an essential part of this. Without them, the demand doesn't decrease and Mexico doesn't stabilize.

Sure, as long as the users pay for them.

Cheaper.

I'm aware that we have a lot of debt. So, apart from having dubious value, a wall is wasting money when we're financially in a tight spot.

As long as the fence is built in America it will help the economy.

 

[Willtor]

Sure, as long as the users pay for them.

How will users afford that?

As long as the fence is built in America it will help the economy.

There are lots of kinds of jobs the government could create that would help the economy. But if I suggested any of those, you'd complain about the debt. Why not just do the right thing?

 

[Armoured]

Sure, as long as the users pay for them.



As long as the fence is built in America it will help the economy.

A brief moment of critical thinking would show that these to ideas tend to be mutually contradictory.

 

[Jan Volkes]

A brief moment of critical thinking would show that these to ideas tend to be mutually contradictory.

Yes, so far it sounds like juveniles trying to solve grown up problems with juvenile answers.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How will users afford that?

Once they're clean and working.

There are lots of kinds of jobs the government could create that would help the economy. But if I suggested any of those, you'd complain about the debt. Why not just do the right thing?

Domestic economic activity creates tax revenue. It's our trade deficits that are killing us.

 

[ananda]

That was my first question. How much would such infrastructure and operations cost, and how many immigrants would you need to stop before it was cost efficient?

How many invaders into your home would you need to stop before it was cost efficient?