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[durangodawood]

Thats strange because evolution scientists say that the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. So if there are no bones that old then surely they are mistaken about when the dinosaurs died off.

Fossils are mineral (aka "rock") formations that developed in the cavities left by buried bones. Minerals can be very very old, you know.

(Generally, people with a personal commitment to rejecting an idea will NOT give that idea a correct presentation. So, dont learn about evolution from creationists, for example.)

 

[Davian]

Clearly i do. I know they work on mathematics but that doesn't disprove what i have said at all. I haven't said that the BB theory is false, i only theorized that it was God who caused that big bang. Can mathematics prove he did not? Nope, and thats why science says that it doesn't know what the singularity is, where it came from, or where it is at now.

If you say that your "god" caused the "big bang", does that mean that you accept big bang cosmology, and all that that entails, such as a 13+ billion-year-old cosmos?

 

[Poster0]

Not the bones themselves, no. Do you know what a fossil is? As someone asked earlier, did you take any science at all in school?

I don't care what they say, it seems improbable that those fossils are 65 million years old. Its improbable that humans are 2 hundred thousands years old and that they came from Chimpanzee.

 

[Poster0]

If you say that your "god" caused the "big bang", does that mean that you accept big bang cosmology, and all that that entails, such as a 13+ billion-year-old cosmos?

I think the way they date things is interpretive and rely on too may variables.

 

[anonymous person]

I take my leave.

 

[Davian]

I take my leave.

And you were so close to actually responding to my posts.

 

[Freodin]

I don't care what they say, it seems improbable that those fossils are 65 million years old. Its improbable that humans are 2 hundred thousands years old...

What "seems" improbable to you is rather irrelevant for science.

...and that they came from Chimpanzee.

Which isn't what the theory of evolution says. Shouldn't you at least try to be correct about the things that you find improbable?

 

[Freodin]

And you were so close to actually responding to my posts.

Yes, he tried so hard.

 

[Davian]

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God can surely be a rational scientific theory as well.
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Evolution has no evidence either. Its just a bunch of hogwash that they imagine because they want to believe it. Seriously. <snip random assertions>

With that, you just lumped your "God" in with the hogwash, for the same reasons, by all appearances.

 

[Davian]

I think the way they date things is interpretive and rely on too may variables.

Tell me about how you date things using the bible.

 

[Poster0]

Fossils are mineral (aka "rock") formations that developed in the cavities left by buried bones. Minerals can be very very old, you know.

(Generally, people with a personal commitment to rejecting an idea will NOT give that idea a correct presentation. So, dont learn about evolution from creationists, for example.)

. They can be very old but not necessarily 65 million years old. That seems far fetched to me. Yes you correct. Thanks for the lesson on fossils. I didn't learn anything from creationists actually, i just don't believe we came from chimps and have been around for 200,000 years and only now have become advanced. Do you a believe that?

 

[Davian]

I don't care what they say,

Why not? Should you not defer to the experts in a given field of expertise? When you have car troubles, do you go to your local grocery?

it seems improbable that those fossils are 65 million years old.

Have you anything other than an argument from incredulity?

Its improbable that humans are 2 hundred thousands years old and that they came from Chimpanzee.

Have you ever been in a biology class?

 

[Freodin]

. They can be very old but not necessarily 65 million years old. That seems far fetched to me. Yes you correct. Thanks for the lesson on fossils. I didn't learn anything from creationists actually, i just don't believe we came from chimps and have been around for 200,000 years and only now have become advanced. Do you a believe that?

Let me blow your mind: there are fossils that are even older than 65 million years!

As for "far fetched": these dates are not guesses. They are not "hogwash that they invented because they wanted to believe it". These dates are based on applying methods that do work, that do have produced "technology".

Do you have any explanations of why all these methods are wrong... exactly in these instances where you "want to believe it"?

 

[Poster0]

Tell me about how you date things using the bible.

Think about it. How is it that we have been around for 200,000 years, but only started to advance in the last couple hundred? Surely i can understand slow progress, but why would it take us 200,00 of living like cavemen, and then all of a sudden we become highly, highly advanced in olny a couple hundred years?

 

[Davian]

Genetic study is highly interpretive and easily misunderstood. They once told us the world was flat too and everyone believed that, but it was not true. THe evolution theory has not produced any medicines, neither has the BB theory. You seem to be reaching. Science cant even begin to understand the complexity of genetics. We are closely related to pigs but science says we don't evolve from them. They say we came from chimps. Do you actually believe that? Dinosaur bones last 65 million years, and humans evolved from chimpanzee. No sir, i cannot rationally believe those things.

Do you rationally believe in a "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every object measure to date indistinguishable from nothing?

 

[Poster0]

Why not? Should you not defer to the experts in a given field of expertise? When you have car troubles, do you go to your local grocery?

Have you anything other than an argument from incredulity?

Have you ever been in a biology class?

So you believe we evolved from chimpanzee? Why should i take that seriously?

 

[Freodin]

Think about it. How is it that we have been around for 200,000 years, but only started to advance in the last couple hundred? Surely i can understand slow progress, but why would it take us 200,00 of living like cavemen, and then all of a sudden we become highly, highly advanced in olny a couple hundred years?

Do you really want to know? Or are you just using your incredulity as an excuse?

Knowledge or "advancement" is not a linear process. It depends on a lot of factors that have to be present to work. Most of these factors happened to exist in the last few centuries... else we wouldn't have seen the advancement that we have.

 

[Freodin]

So you believe we evolved from chimpanzee? Why should i take that seriously?

No scientist says that. Creationists say that. Why do you try to get knowledge from people who deny this knowledge?

 

[Poster0]

Do you rationally believe in a "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every object measure to date indistinguishable from nothing?

Yes i do. I suppose i should instead believe we came from chimpanzee's, lived for 200,000 years like savage cavemen, but then all of a sudden in only 100 year span, we build computers, combustion engines, rockets, go to the moon, send probes to Mars and take high quality photos, invent TV, Radio, and a vast mountain of other technologies as well?

 

[Poster0]

No scientist says that. Creationists say that. Why do you try to get knowledge from people who deny this knowledge?

Oh, we made that up i guess. Come on, you know thats not true. Science does say that despite your denial.