[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] A question for those who.....

[Davian]

Science itself says that it doesn't know what the big bang singularity was, or where it came from, or where it is now. They have hardly proved anything, but have only gave a theory.

Only a theory, like semiconductor theory. I'll be sad when that is falsified, and all of the computers stop working.

They have not proved that God doesn't exist either. Why is it unscientific to believe in a creator? What science would you use to show that God doesnt exist, or at least show that he probably doesn't exist?

Define "God" in a coherent, testable, falsifiable manner and get back to me.

There is no such science and so it would not be correct to suggest that science doesn't rely on a Deity. It relies upon a deity until it proves otherwise because its completely rational and plausible to theorize that a God may have created the universe.

Which god would that be? The "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every object measure to date indistinguishable from nothing? Is that the one that science relies on?

 

[durangodawood]

No it isn't just a matter of faith. It is also a theory that can explain unseen things that science doesn't yet understand. Just like the big bang theory can not be seen or proven. or just like many other unproven theories. You must admit that science doesn't prove all its theories but will use them anyway. God can surely be a rational scientific theory as well. Science says it doesn't know what the big bang theory singularity is, and so i can theorize that it was an intelligent being who used his power to create the universe via a big bang What you are saying is just anther example of special pleading. Science also has a certain amount of faith involved in it, not everything is proven.

Good response.

The difference is that scientists dont believe in the big bang (or many other edgy findings) like Christians believe in God. Its different. Its more of a provisional assent to the idea, something to continue testing, and to conditionally use as long as it provides explanatory power and conforms mathematically to other visible events.

If thats the nature of Christian faith, then faith is a lot weaker than I thought.

(So, not special pleading here)

 

[ToddNotTodd]

No it isn't just a matter of faith. It is also a theory that can explain unseen things that science doesn't yet understand. Just like the big bang theory can not be seen or proven. or just like many other unproven theories. You must admit that science doesn't prove all its theories but will use them anyway. God can surely be a rational scientific theory as well. Science says it doesn't know what the big bang theory singularity is, and so i can theorize that it was an intelligent being who used his power to create the universe via a big bang What you are saying is just anther example of special pleading. Science also has a certain amount of faith involved in it, not everything is proven.

Proof is for math and alcohol, not science.

And science doesn't say that it doesn't know what the singularity was.

 

[bhsmte]

If you don't do it then it does not apply to you.

Thanks.

Which leads to an obvious question; who are these people, who are denying you or anyone from following Jesus?

 

[bhsmte]

I am going to use this post to complain about this site being blocked up by atheists,when it is supposed to be for christians .
Yes allow them to ask questions ,and certainly allow agnostics and seekers ,but Atheists who post thousands and thousands of posts to deride christianity , why is this allowed ???

Feel free to post in the Christian only portion of the site and you will be safe.

Of course, some of the debates in the Christian only section are quite aggressive, but that is another matter.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

No its not. Science is not without a certain amount of super natural theory. The big bang itself is just a super natural theory. A powerful, mysterious, unseen singularity came into being and created everything. Thats faith.

That's about as far from the real description of the singularity as you can get.

Not to be rude, but did you take any science at all in school?

 

[Freodin]

Feel free to post in the Christian only portion of the site and you will be safe.

Of course, some of the debates in the Christian only section are quite aggressive, but that is another matter.

Along that line: I have seen several threads being closed recently for being "General Apologetics"... where GA was directly defined as "threads where Christians are forced to debate the existence of God".

All these threads were started by Christians, btw.


It shows the sad state of this "Christian Forum", when Christians here are blocked by atheists, forced to debate and kept from practicing their faith.

Now what was that about the dogmatically infused persecution complex? Nonsense, definitly!

 

[bhsmte]

Science itself says that it doesn't know what the big bang singularity was, or where it came from, or where it is now. They have hardly proved anything, but have only gave a theory. They have not proved that God doesn't exist either. Why is it unscientific to believe in a creator? What science would you use to show that God doesnt exist, or at least show that he probably doesn't exist? There is no such science and so it would not be correct to suggest that science doesn't rely on a Deity. It relies upon a deity until it proves otherwise because its completely rational and plausible to theorize that a God may have created the universe.

Proving a negative, is a pretty weak approach.

And, in regards to scientific theories, do you realize how many of these theories you rely on, everyday of your life?

 

[Poster0]

Only a theory, like semiconductor theory. I'll be sad when that is falsified, and all of the computers stop working.

Define "God" in a coherent, testable, falsifiable manner and get back to me.

Which god would that be? The "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every object measure to date indistinguishable from nothing? Is that the one that science relies on?

So you believe that dinosaur bones actually lasted 65 million years in the ground?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Which leads to an obvious question; who are these people, who are denying you or anyone from following Jesus?

And a question to add on to that is HOW are they denying people's rights to worship?

 

[Poster0]

Proving a negative, is a pretty weak approach.

And, in regards to scientific theories, do you realize how many of these theories you rely on, everyday of your life?

The theories you are referring to have been proved through the technologies they themselves developed. The BB theory has not developed any technology that i know of.. Neither has the evolution theory. The evolution theory has changed and continues to change because its not sound like they try to tell us. It has many flaws in it. Do you actually believe that Dinosaur bones have survived after 65 million years?

 

[bhsmte]

The theories you are referring to have been proved through the technologies they themselves developed. The BB theory has not developed any technology that i know of.. Neither has the evolution theory. The evolution theory has changed and continues to change because its not sound like they try to tell us. It has many flaws in it. Do you actually believe that Dinosaur bones have survived after 65 million years?

Clearly, you have no idea how theories work.

 

[Freodin]

The theories you are referring to have been proved through the technologies they themselves developed. The BB theory has not developed any technology that i know of.. Neither has the evolution theory. The evolution theory has changed and continues to change because its not sound like they try to tell us. It has many flaws in it.

Creation "theory" hasn't developed anything at all. So what would that mean for your claims?

 

[Poster0]

That's about as far from the real description of the singularity as you can get.

Not to be rude, but did you take any science at all in school?

Its not my description but it is the description of a scientist found on a science website. I did provide the link a ways back.

 

[Poster0]

Creation "theory" hasn't developed anything at all. So what would that mean for your claims?

It means that its just as valid as Evolution and the BB theory is.

 

[bhsmte]

The theories you are referring to have been proved through the technologies they themselves developed. The BB theory has not developed any technology that i know of.. Neither has the evolution theory. The evolution theory has changed and continues to change because its not sound like they try to tell us. It has many flaws in it. Do you actually believe that Dinosaur bones have survived after 65 million years?

Can you prove that dinosaur bones can not survive for that long?

 

[bhsmte]

It means that its just as valid as Evolution and the BB theory is.

What is the creation theory?
What is the hypothesis it works off of?
What predictions does creationism make?

 

[Poster0]

Clearly, you have no idea how theories work.

Clearly i do. I know they work on mathematics but that doesn't disprove what i have said at all. I haven't said that the BB theory is false, i only theorized that it was God who caused that big bang. Can mathematics prove he did not? Nope, and thats why science says that it doesn't know what the singularity is, where it came from, or where it is at now.

 

[paulm50]

No it isn't just a matter of faith. It is also a theory that can explain unseen things that science doesn't yet understand. Just like the big bang theory can not be seen or proven. or just like many other unproven theories. You must admit that science doesn't prove all its theories but will use them anyway. God can surely be a rational scientific theory as well. Science says it doesn't know what the big bang theory singularity is, and so i can theorize that it was an intelligent being who used his power to create the universe via a big bang What you are saying is just anther example of special pleading. Science also has a certain amount of faith involved in it, not everything is proven.

Things that can't be seen, can be made up, fictional, whatever a person wishes.

You're sitting in front of an unseen elephant, you can't see it because you're not capable of believing it's there.

OK that was nonsense. Prove it was.

How do we know the big bang happened.

Science admits it hasn't proved theories yet, it can change theory. But they will try to disprove it and will accept it being disproved. Unlike stories of unseen things. They have been disproved and proven to be wrong or natural events.

Yes the Big Banf could of been an intelligent being. The problem all religions have, is they have less idea about him than the scientists. No bible said there was an explosion. Let there be light, isn't an explosion, it's light. A god could have easily said an explosion, Bronze Age men were well aware of what an explosion was.

 

[bhsmte]

Clearly i do. I know they work on mathematics but that doesn't disprove what i have said at all. I haven't said that the BB theory is false, i only theorized that it was God who caused that big bang. Can mathematics prove he did not? Nope, and thats why science says that it doesn't know what the singularity is, where it came from, or where it is at now.

You said; you theorized.

So, what is your theory, please explain it to us, in detail.