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Jesus said:

“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt 5:48 RSV

However, I’m always hearing people say that it is impossible to be perfect. Keeping in mind that the Lord helps us, is it that hard to repent of our sin?

Jesus was right we need to be perfect to avoid the judgement of God on the day of judgement.. Lucky for us who believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement he secured for our sins we shall be Deemed perfect and without sin on the day of Judgement because all our sins will be covered by the blood of the LORD Jesus Christ.....

Now if people push the doctrine that people must become sinless in this life and become perfect by being sinless in this life, Then they will be judged according to the doctrine they have held up to be the truth... If they dare sin once ... just ONCE.. they will have justified their own eternal damnation in the eternal lake of fire..

So be certain of what doctrines you affirm as the the Word of God before you preach them to others.. Because woe is to the person who lies about the will of God..
 
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Jesus was right we need to be perfect to avoid the judgement of God on the day of judgement.. Lucky for us who believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement he secured for our sins we shall be Deemed perfect and without sin on the day of Judgement because all our sins will be covered by the blood of the LORD Jesus Christ.....

Now if people push the doctrine that people must become sinless in this life and become perfect by being sinless in this life, Then they will be judged according to the doctrine they have held up to be the truth... If they dare sin once ... just ONCE.. they will have justified their own eternal damnation in the eternal lake of fire..

So be certain of what doctrines you affirm as the the Word of God before you preach them to others.. Because woe is to the person who lies about the will of God..
Jesus said you BE perfect before His blood was shed. He made no mention of it not being possible until after his death and Resurrection. Are you of the mind that he was telling us to be prefect On judgement day, through him....in this verse? Isnt that a bit much to add to this passage?

You are preaching that everyone will sin and have to, so dont worry about it just repent after.....When this OP states that Jesus said to be ye Perfect. Isnt what you are preaching, more dangerous than a doctrine of being sinless?
 
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Actually, there is a greater law, that we love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls (Matt 22:34-40).
Which is tantamount to keeping "Thou shalt not eat...", and then the second great commandment is kept without thought or effort. Take no thought... what you will eat...which pertains to the tree in the midst of a garden..

Adam ate a feast prepared by the woman, she being a picture of our soul and the journey/process taking place within...which has to with our relationship with God, "For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name..." and the truth found in the wedding feast prepared by the father, through The Door...which we are invited to enter into...
 
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Jesus said:

“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt 5:48 RSV

However, I’m always hearing people say that it is impossible to be perfect. Keeping in mind that the Lord helps us, is it that hard to repent of our sin?
We can never reach perfection through our own efforts but we receive Jesus' perfection through his blood.
 
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We can never reach perfection through our own efforts but we receive Jesus' perfection through his blood.
Jesus Stated to be perfect as your father in heaven. You've added: But you cant do this, only I can... you need to wait until after I shed my blood first and then receive this Perfection I commanded you, through me(Jesus).

Do you have any scripture to support what you added?
 
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Jesus said you BE perfect before His blood was shed. He made no mention of it not being possible until after his death and Resurrection. Are you of the mind that he was telling us to be prefect On judgement day, through him....in this verse? Isnt that a bit much to add to this passage?

You are preaching that everyone will sin and have to, so dont worry about it just repent after.....When this OP states that Jesus said to be ye Perfect. Isnt what you are preaching, more dangerous than a doctrine of being sinless?

So you declare that what i believe in relation to salvation is false.. And declare it to be dangerous.. I Believe that Atonement for my sins was secured 100% by the sacrafice of The LORD Jesus Christ on the cross and it was by the sheding of His blood that my transgressions are covered and it is why i am deemed Holy this very day and why i will be deemed Holy on the day of Judgement..

You can strive to justify yourself by achieving a sinless life on earth.. and believe that your salvation is linked to your performance in being sinless.. But remember if you have sinned just once since the day you believed Jesus then you have failed to stop sinning and thus by the definition that is pushed by sinlessness in the flesh preachers that repentence means ceasing to sin, you have failed to repent...
 
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We can never reach perfection through our own efforts but we receive Jesus' perfection through his blood.

Amen :D It is so simple..

But the proud want to be justified by their own works and they reject the gift of salvation by the atonement of the Messiah Jesus...
 
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So you declare that what i believe in relation to salvation is false.. And declare it to be dangerous.. I Believe that Atonement for my sins was secured 100% by the sacrafice of The LORD Jesus Christ on the cross and it was by the sheding of His blood that my transgressions are covered and it is why i am deemed Holy this very day and why i will be deemed Holy on the day of Judgement..

You can strive to justify yourself by achieving a sinless life on earth.. and believe that your salvation is linked to your performance in being sinless.. But remember if you have sinned just once since the day you believed Jesus then you have failed to stop sinning and thus by the definition that is pushed by sinlessness in the flesh preachers that repentence means ceasing to sin, you have failed to repent...
I declare? I can strive to justify? If you had the truth, you would not feel the need degrade opposition with false claims before giving it. Since i see this is how you operate I will not continue this conversation and repent from asking you any questions.
 
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Amen :D It is so simple..

But the proud want to be justified by their own works and they reject the gift of salvation by the atonement of the Messiah Jesus...
The great sin of the Garden was rejection of righteousness. The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge(the Law) is man's desire to be worthy of his own salvation. They are cut off from the Tree of Life(Jesus) and cursed to till the ground(man's works).
 
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We can never reach perfection through our own efforts but we receive Jesus' perfection through his blood.
Our own efforts get us nowhere...Hearing and receiving the Word (seed) with singleness of eye (as it pertains to what happened in the garden in the beginning) comes reveals the Truth of who we are IN CHRIST....the mystery hidden through the ages now being revealed, "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory."...and entering in that we are called to...
 
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The word ''repent'' means to change your mind. Repentance is changing your actions to follow and obey God's commands. When Christ told us to be perfect, he meant through his spirit, that God's grace dwells in us, so we have imputed righteousness. We are saved by Faith alone, but it's repentance that comes after. We are unable to live perfect because we still have the flesh, that's why Paul told us in Romans to focus on the spirit. Our works will not justify us, it's only faith that will justify.
 
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The great sin of the Garden was rejection of righteousness. The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge(the Law) is man's desire to be worthy of his own salvation. They are cut off from the Tree of Life(Jesus) and cursed to till the ground(man's works).
Yes. And the promise of entering into His rest has to do with coming in out of that field and reclining at the table being served, through The Door of the wedding feast prepared by the father...though many still eat the feast prepared by the woman of which Adam ate of the tree...
 
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I declare? I can strive to justify? If you had the truth, you would not feel the need degrade opposition with false claims before giving it. Since i see this is how you operate I will not continue this conversation and repent from asking you any questions.

Of course i need to try to undermine arguments in opposition to the Love of the truth of the Gospel Message.. Thats what witnesses for God's grace should do all the time against works salvation believers...
 
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Jesus said:

“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt 5:48 RSV

However, I’m always hearing people say that it is impossible to be perfect. Keeping in mind that the Lord helps us, is it that hard to repent of our sin?

When our Lord said "Be perfect" he was telling us the requirements to get into heaven. To get into heaven we DO have to be perfect & sinless. But how can this be? We are far from perfect and sinless! Our Lord knows this and don't worry! He's come up with a plan! Our Lord accomplishes this with the power of the Holy Spirit. You see, when we are born again our spirit becomes sinless which allows our spirits entry into heaven when we die. And on the last day Jesus will make our bodies sinless when he resurrects all believers. I hope this answers your question.
 
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Of course i need to try to undermine arguments in opposition to the Love of the truth of the Gospel Message.. Thats what witnesses for God's grace should do all the time against works salvation believers...
You are right to do what you believe is right.
 
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dreadnought, you forgot to add the remainder of the passage so as to hold context. It's no wonder you are confused about the passage if you take only the critical line of the passage. It's a though you ate the peanut butter without the toast and now your mouth is sticky and it's difficult to speak.

Even so, the passage can hold its own. This is about the Love for Enemies. Therefore, put yourself in context / situation (a memory of when) you "hated / disliked " a person and then read the passage again.

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Matthew 5: 43-48 (NIV)
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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And so, the point emerges clearer. Perfection, everyone knows, is impossible. Christians and non believer understand this (Born of sin through Adam and so on) and the fact that only God is (only He can be) perfect. First, you must understand that the Christ speaks from Heaven, not from Earth, through and with the Father. Therefore, the words of the Christ apply everywhere. In the hereafter, that is, Heaven, we will be made perfect (that is, born again in mind and body, full of the Holy Spirit).
Even in Heaven, this passage you mentioned will apply (emphasis - "you must be" and not "you will be").

Don't make the mistake that God will do everything for you. "You must" is an act of present practice and discipline. In the context of earth, the passage applies in light of the context. Even though you may be frustrated and are in state of anger, love your enemies, the Christ (Jesus) says, because the Father (and also the Son and Holy Spirit), while we were sinners and deserving of judgment, sent the Christ for salvation. This is an act that is perfect in itself.

To love our enemies does not mean to love their deeds, it means to care for them in their state of anger toward us et cetera. To be "Perfect" in this context means to go against the grain of sin. To conquer hate with love, which is in itself a perfect act because it defies all logic and sin. Remember to keep the context from which the passage is connected to.



Hope this helps.
Everything in the Bible is in context of something else in the Bible. When Jesus told us we need to be perfect, I believe he meant it. There are consequences to what we do, including sin. When we resist the temptation to sin, we don't have to deal with those consequences.
 
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There was a deep slumber and eyesight change that occurred in the garden after breaking God's command, "Thou shalt not eat..." The Truth of that is being revealed through Christ (The Door) to restore/reconcile us (back) to the father. He came to take away our sin, make us blind that we might see the son revealed in us. The mystery hidden through the ages..." which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. It is about perceiving (where we are at) as in the question God asked Adam, "Where art thou?"

The Kingdom is within and cannot be found by observation outside (with the five senses) for the flesh profits nothing, it is the spirit that lives...

John 9:41
I think the message was a simple one: "Repent." There are rewards.
 
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Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Yes, when we repent, we see the kingdom of God.
 
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When our Lord said "Be perfect" he was telling us the requirements to get into heaven. To get into heaven we DO have to be perfect & sinless. But how can this be? We are far from perfect and sinless! Our Lord knows this and don't worry! He's come up with a plan! Our Lord accomplishes this with the power of the Holy Spirit. You see, when we are born again our spirit becomes sinless which allows our spirits entry into heaven when we die. And on the last day Jesus will make our bodies sinless when he resurrects all believers. I hope this answers your question.
I suspect some are closer to perfection than others. Some people surely have been working on this for a long time.
 
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We can never reach perfection through our own efforts but we receive Jesus' perfection through his blood.
We need to make the effort to be perfect. The Lord will help us.
 
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