Peanut Gallery - Formal Debate - New World Order

[Rhamiel]

And was that part of a co-ordinated campaign by Freemasons serving some long term global agenda? Or was it the action of a single or handful of nutters who just happen to be Freemasons?

I mean, lotsa Catholics in the IRA. That doesn't make Catholics generally or the church specifically involved in a campaign against England.

since we can look at these attacks against the Church over the centuries in different countries across Europe and Latin America separated by geography and time but holding Freemasonry in common, I think it is reasonable to say that it is coordinated or at least encouraged

I suspect the revolution to which he alludes is the one that resulted in the fraudulent "country" known as the USA.

But we're talking global conspiracy, so why are only events in the US relevant?

The American Revolution, the French Revolution, the War of Unification of Italy, the Cristero War in Mexico, and the wars created by Simon Bolivar in South America

 

[Rhamiel]

The USA is mostly a Freemason construct. A glance at the satanic symbology embedded in the district of COLUMBIA (not the district of Jesus Christ) with the Masonic temple placement screams agenda.

yeah, no need for terrorist tactics when you are the ones in power
that is why we see more violence from Freemasons in Europe and South America in the 1800's and early 1900's
if you have power you do not run terrorist attacks

 

[Simpleman25]

Thanks Rhami.
Look how you get tarred for being decent.

And the denials come from low level initiates who don't really know because they haven't been invited into the top layer where the evil doers hide. All they are privy to is the PR charity work using antics that trivialize serious religious distinctions. Their fascination with non-Christian motifs betrays their denials.

It's comments like this that proves you have no clue as to what you're talking about.

What top layer? How does one get there? If it's so secretive, how do you know about it?

Anyone with any knowledge of freemasonry knows there is no such thing as levels. No group or man speaks or acts on behalf of freemasonry.

Show me your evidence. Not opinions, facts.

 

[Simpleman25]

yeah, no need for terrorist tactics when you are the ones in power
that is why we see more violence from Freemasons in Europe and South America in the 1800's and early 1900's
if you have power you do not run terrorist attacks

Prove freemasonry is in power. No more opinions, facts.

 

[Rick Otto]

It's comments like that, that prove you don't know what I'm talking about.

Don't worry yourself with it. We are obviously kooks.

 

[Armoured]

1875 the President of Ecuador was assassinated by Freemasons
he claimed that the Lodges were organizing against him, not just the random act of some deranged individuals
" Now that the Masonic Lodges of the neighboring countries, instigated by Germany, are vomiting against me all sorts of atrocious insults and horrible calumnies, now that the Lodges are secretly arranging for my assassination"

Gabriel GarcÃ[bless and do not curse]a Moreno - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does that make any sense though?

 

[Armoured]

Serious question, if only the top layer with the evil doers knows the "real" agenda, how do you know about it?

bump.

 

[Rick Otto]

Ever heard the term "whistleblower"?

 

[Armoured]

Ever heard the term "whistleblower"?

Ever hear of the term "for example"?

 

[Rhamiel]

Does that make any sense though?

what do you mean "does that make any sense?"

Freemasons were vocal critics of him, even so far as entire Lodges speaking out against him
very soon before he was assassinated he was told that the Freemasons planned to murder him
he found these accusations credible
and then he was assassinated

why should we NOT think that this was caused by Freemasons?

 

[Armoured]

what do you mean "does that make any sense?"

Freemasons were vocal critics of him, even so far as entire Lodges speaking out against him
very soon before he was assassinated he was told that the Freemasons planned to murder him
he found these accusations credible
and then he was assassinated

why should we NOT think that this was caused by Freemasons?

Is there any evidence that they did? Besides that he claimed to be persecuted by them?

I mean, I used to be a nurse, which included mental health placements. I've heard people claim persecution from all sorts of groups, Freemasons, illuminati, CIA, aliens, you name it. Some of these people later turn up dead. I don't instantly conclude the aliens or CIA killed them.

 

[Rhamiel]

Um... you only cited one attack.




Sorry. I can buy that Freemasons were involved in the American revolution. How significant their role was is arguable. The French revolution, however, I've studied pretty extensively. It was a straight up popular revolution. I see now evidence to suggest there were any covert machinations going on behind the scenes. The subsequent rise of the Bonapartes in it's wake, I think, puts paid to a lot of claims about anyone "pulling the strings". As for the others, I'm not familiar with them enough to have an opinion either way. But if you can give me a tl:dr? version of why you think Freemasons were driving them, that would be great?

I only listed one bombing
I listed an assassination
there was the abduction of the three shepherd children in Fatima where they were held captive and threatened for several days I think. They were abducted by a local political leader who was vocal Freemason.

The French Revolution was a populist movement, as was the US Revolution in a lot of ways, but we can also see key figures in both, as well as philosophical motivations in both being Freemasonic in nature.

 

[Rick Otto]

Ever hear of the term "for example"?

Sure. Google "Karen Hides, whistleblower" .
She was senior counsel at the World Bank.

She's a good example of a whistleblower. Read her story and you'll get the idea how secrets get leaked.

It's pretty simple, really. Somebody with secrets gets a pang of conscience.

 

[Rhamiel]

Is there any evidence that they did? Besides that he claimed to be persecuted by them?

I mean, I used to be a nurse, which included mental health placements. I've heard people claim persecution from all sorts of groups, Freemasons, illuminati, CIA, aliens, you name it. Some of these people later turn up dead. I don't instantly conclude the aliens or CIA killed them.

well this was not a guy in a mental hospital
this was a president, he had government agents and stuff.
like I am sure he is not just guessing

like if JFK said "I think this guy named Lee is going to try to kill me"
we would not say "oh do you think he meant Lee Oswald?"
he said it, and then it happened.....
did you read the Wikipedia link I gave? yeah Wikipedia is not the best source, but there are links and sources listed on Wikipedia

 

[Rhamiel]

Saying "a guy named Lee is trying to kill me" isn't quite like saying "a large, international club with thousands of members" is trying to kill me, though, you know? Also, I'd have to point out that being a head of state is hardly conclusive either way that someone doesn't have mental issues. Roughly 1% of the population has schizophrenia. There are hundreds of countries, and dozens of notable assassinations in history. Eventually the law of probability says you're going to get them all line up.

Again, how does killing the president of some South American country play into the Freemason's global agenda?

he was a reformer who worked against corruption and modernized the education system

freemasonry has always been known to draw in neerdowells by promising good connections in politics and business, so any anti-corruption movements would go against their interests because it would lessen the favoritism they could show to their stooges

he was also a vocal Catholic and freemasonry has always opposed Catholicism and pushed forward secularist agendas

 

[Armoured]

he was a reformer who worked against corruption and modernized the education system

freemasonry has always been known to draw in neerdowells by promising good connections in politics and business, so any anti-corruption movements would go against their interests because it would lessen the favoritism they could show to their stooges

he was also a vocal Catholic and freemasonry has always opposed Catholicism and pushed forward secularist agendas

Seems... slight.

Sorry, I just don't see it.

I think all of this stuff is explained more simply with coincidence and local self serving interests. I don't see anything to suggest some global conspiracy working towards a single, common agenda.

I'm happy to accept that there are bad people who will use their connections for their own selfish goals in any sufficiently large organisation, don't get me wrong. Some may even resort to violence when threatened, I'm happy to accept that too. But I don't think there Freemasons are any more of less prone to this than any other exclusive organisation, be it private boarding schools or the military. And I really don't see anything to suggest that the Freemasons are working towards some secret all powerful one world government. Or if they are, they seem terribly bad at it.

 

[Rick Otto]

Seems... slight.

Sorry, I just don't see it.

I think all of this stuff is explained more simply with coincidence and local self serving interests. I don't see anything to suggest some global conspiracy working towards a single, common agenda.

I'm happy to accept that there are bad people who will use their connections for their own selfish goals in any sufficiently large organisation, don't get me wrong. Some may even resort to violence when threatened, I'm happy to accept that too. But I don't think there Freemasons are any more of less prone to this than any other exclusive organisation, be it private boarding schools or the military. And I really don't see anything to suggest that the Freemasons are working towards some secret all powerful one world government. Or if they are, they seem terribly bad at it.

Co-incedence and selfishness are as far as you can see.
You don't believe men could, with what they were convinced was good motive, destroy the world order in order to create their own new one.
I don't blame you for not wanting to see how evil the world really is.
It's easier to believe whistleblowers are kooks or disgruntled employees.
Conspiracy involves "compartmentalization", which is what initiate levels accomplishes. 99% of freemasons and all the other organizations are good people, who believe as you do, and are unaware of the cabal at the top.
So you won't be able to see the evidence when one doesn't suspect it's to be found in the first place.

 

[Simpleman25]

It's comments like that, that prove you don't know what I'm talking about.

Don't worry yourself with it. We are obviously kooks.

So in other words, no facts to back up your claims. Gotcha.

I never said you were a kook. I said you didn't know what you were talking about concerning freemasonry.

 

[Armoured]

Co-incedence and selfishness are as far as you can see.
You don't believe men could, with what they were convinced was good motive, destroy the world order in order to create their own new one.
I don't blame you for not wanting to see how evil the world really is.
It's easier to believe whistleblowers are kooks or disgruntled employees.

Sorry. Just if there was some al powerful group co ordinating everything, I'd expect empirical evidence. Plenty of evil, immorality and misguidedly harmful good intentions around, sure. I see no reason to believe they're all somehow organised.

 

[Rick Otto]

So in other words, no facts to back up your claims. Gotcha.

I never said you were a kook. I said you didn't know what you were talking about concerning freemasonry.

So in your mind, you got me.
I never said you said...
lol,... never mind.
Be happy, don't worry.