Paul Reveals the timing of Revelation 20

[shilohsfoal]

The timing of Revelation 20 is revealed by the Apostle Paul.

The fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.
In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

The judgment of the dead is found at the end of Revelation 20.
In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others is also found in Revelation 11:15-18.
This proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order. This is confirmed by Christ returning as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19.

Revelation 20 is full of symbolic language.

We know the "first resurrection" in the chapter cannot be the first bodily resurrection in the book, because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected in chapter 11.
We also find the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, and you cannot have a time of the judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.

All of the above proves the Premill doctrine cannot be correct.

Christ will not conduct funeral services for 1,000 years after His Second Coming, in a world where immortals and mortals both live on the planet.
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of the judgment of the living in Matthew 25:31-46.
Instead Revelation 20 is a symbolic vision of the entire Church Age.

The 1,000 years is symbolic, just as the "key", and the "chain" are symbolic in the passage.
We know from Mark 5 that demonic spirits cannot be bound by a literal chain.


Some people try to interpret their entire Bible through their man-made interpretation of Revelation 20.
This is a serious mistake, and has produced numerous cults.


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So how many saints do you say Gog will kill when he surrounds them at Jerusalem?

 

[BABerean2]

So how many saints do you say Gog will kill when he surrounds them at Jerusalem?

If you cannot get your viewpoint of Revelation 20 to agree with the Apostle Paul, or with the words of Jesus Christ, go back to the Old Testament and try to prove them wrong...


Now I understand.

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[BABerean2]

So this is proof that Revelation 20 has no symbolic language.

If Satan is described as the "dragon", does that mean he is a giant flying lizard?

Is the "key" in chapter 20 made of brass, like one from a car dealership?

Is the "chain" like one from the hardware store?

Is the "pit" a deep hole inside the earth that has no bottom?

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[Bruce Leiter]

The timing of Revelation 20 is revealed by the Apostle Paul.

The fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.
In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

The judgment of the dead is found at the end of Revelation 20.
In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others is also found in Revelation 11:15-18.
This proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order. This is confirmed by Christ returning as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19.

Revelation 20 is full of symbolic language.

We know the "first resurrection" in the chapter cannot be the first bodily resurrection in the book, because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected in chapter 11.
We also find the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, and you cannot have a time of the judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.

All of the above proves the Premill doctrine cannot be correct.

Christ will not conduct funeral services for 1,000 years after His Second Coming, in a world where immortals and mortals both live on the planet.
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of the judgment of the living in Matthew 25:31-46.
Instead Revelation 20 is a symbolic vision of the entire Church Age.

The 1,000 years is symbolic, just as the "key", and the "chain" are symbolic in the passage.
We know from Mark 5 that demonic spirits cannot be bound by a literal chain.


Some people try to interpret their entire Bible through their man-made interpretation of Revelation 20.
This is a serious mistake, and has produced numerous cults.


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As someone who has been on all sides of this issue, I completely agree with you. Toward the end of the present "1,000 years," a complete period of time between Jesus' first and second comings, Satan is let loose from his very limited state, during which he couldn't prevent the gospel from spreading to the nations. What do you think? Has Satan been let loose to do limited damage until God whisks him away into hell? It seems to me that way now.

 

[BABerean2]

Isn't Rev 11 also full of symbolic language? Isn't it possible that the "breath of life from God" in Rev 11:11-12 is symbolic and not a literal raising to their feet?

Revelation 11:11-12 ~ But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God entered the two witnesses, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell upon those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘Come up here.’ And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them”​

Based on Revelation 11:4, and Romans 11:24, and Revelation 1:20, the two witnesses are a symbol of the New Covenant Church, which will be raised bodily from the dead at the Second Coming of Christ.

The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet found in the Bible, found in Revelation 11:15-18, which also contains the time of the judgment of the dead.
You cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.

(See also 1 Corinthians 15.)

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[BABerean2]

As someone who has been on all sides of this issue, I completely agree with you. Toward the end of the present "1,000 years," a complete period of time between Jesus' first and second comings, Satan is let loose from his very limited state, during which he couldn't prevent the gospel from spreading to the nations. What do you think? Has Satan been let loose to do limited damage until God whisks him away into hell? It seems to me that way now.

If we are not there now, we could be very close.

They had a Bible burning in Portland a few days ago.

A Baphomet statue was set up in the U.S. within the last few years.

Many of those pushing globalism are using the COVID-19 pandemic to bring about their goals.

We seem to be headed toward the time when all the nations will be deceived by a one world government system.


World Federalist Meeting:

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[BABerean2]

If you assemble every passage regarding the 2nd coming and the kingdom age coming it paints a clear cohesive picture with fire and vengeance and it has Jesus coming when Jerusalem is the center of trouble and the world has gathered there and life continues after the LORD is king over all the earth. The everlasting righteousness and world peace and ruling with a rod of iron achieve a level that will indeed reflect the righteousness of the LORD being in charge and Satan being bound. The end of the 1000 years shows Satan deceives one more time and that rebellion is short lived as the end comes when Jerusalem is only surrounded and is quite a different story of the 2nd coming at the end of the tribulation.

Why did you ignore what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1, and what Jesus said in Matthew 25:31-46, and what we know about the rod of Iron from Psalm 2.

The potter does not correct the flawed pots with the rod of Iron.
He destroys them.

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[TribulationSigns]

If Satan is described as the "dragon", does that mean he is a giant flying lizard?

Is the "key" in chapter 20 made of brass, like one from a car dealership?

Is the "chain" like one from the hardware store?

Is the "pit" a deep hole inside the earth that has no bottom?

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Revelation 20:1-2 KJV
[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Of course, Satan who is a spirit, cannot be bound with a literal chain of iron, or locked in a physical location, with a literal brass key. What people need to understand that the keys and chains have spiritual significance. The Lord uses these symbols to illustrate a spiritual picture for us.

The angel (messenger) coming down from heaven is Christ Jesus. He is the only one who has the RIGHT, and AUTHORITY, and MEANS (key) to bind Satan as prophesied in Matthew 12:29. The signification here being, "He who holds the key, holds the ability and authority to restrain Satan." That ALSO includes the ability and authority to LOOSE Satan from that restraint. The chain symbolizes the power (force or energy required to do the holding) to bind. It is a "great" chain because Satan is a spiritual and strong man, upon whom only a great or special binding from God will retrain. The bottomless pit is only symbolism for a boundless void (or Abyss) of "nothingness." It means Satan, being a spiritual being, is held in idleness, that his ability to deceive the Gentiles (unsaved) is restrained so that God could draw them by pouring out his Holy Spirit through the testimony of His Church. Satan was restrained until God finished building his Church, then Satan will be loosened once again to deceive again.

 

[BABerean2]

Can anyone explain why European leaders celebrated the opening of the Gothard Tunnel with what many would consider to be a Satanic performanc?

Watch the goat-headed figure during the last 10 minutes.

This is one of the strangest things I have ever seen.

If anyone has a better explanation of the event I would love to hear it.

Were they celebrating the beast being released from the pit in 2016?

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[TribulationSigns]

Can anyone explain why European leaders celebrated the opening of the Gothard Tunnel with what many would consider to be a Satanic performanc?

Not relevant to Revelation 20.

 

[Timtofly]

If Satan is described as the "dragon", does that mean he is a giant flying lizard?

Is the "key" in chapter 20 made of brass, like one from a car dealership?

Is the "chain" like one from the hardware store?

Is the "pit" a deep hole inside the earth that has no bottom?

Revelation 20:2
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan [the Adversary], and chained him up for a thousand years.

Clearly defined who Satan is, was, and will be.

Revelation 20:1
Next I saw an angel coming down from heaven, who had the key to the Abyss and a great chain in his hand.

Are you worried Satan will slip through the links, because the chain is to big?

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Why did you ignore what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1, and what Jesus said in Matthew 25:31-46, and what we know about the rod of Iron from Psalm 2.

The potter does not correct the flawed pots with the rod of Iron.
He destroys them.

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Hi your trifecta of verses does not prove in any way that there is no 1000 year reign. The Great white throne is a final judgement of those who's name is not written in the lamb's book of life. This judgment in Mathew is not the great white throne judgment and the gap of 1000 years is described clearly as a time when Satan is bound and the beast and false prophet are in the lake of fire. In 2 Thes this judgement comes upon the ungodly at the 2nd coming. The rest of the Bible shows many many specific things that occur at this transition from the tribulation into the millennium. That river that forms when the LORD splits the mount of Olives flows year round and one of the two directions is east which would have it go into the dead sea. Ezekiel tells us that at this time the dead sea will be healed and a great fishing resource and even names the number of the types of fish that will be found there. The nation of Israel at this time is given the inheritance by tribe and those borders are real and literal. The nations which are left must keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no rain. There is judgment occurring at the 2nd coming which is not the same as teh great white throne judgment. Like 70 AD was also a judgment but not the final judgment. There are literally hundreds of before and after pictures that are for this earth and not applicable to the new heaven, earth New New Jerusalem.

 

[Hank77]

Can anyone explain why European leaders celebrated the opening of the Gothard Tunnel with what many would consider to be a Satanic performanc?

European leaders weren't part of the design or production of the bizarre event. Not even all the Swiss government representatives knew what they were going to be seeing.

It was disgusting, shameful, and yes satanic in my opinion.

 

[mkgal1]

Based on Revelation 11:4, and Romans 11:24, and Revelation 1:20, the two witnesses are a symbol of the New Covenant Church, which will be raised bodily from the dead at the Second Coming of Christ.

The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet found in the Bible, found in Revelation 11:15-18, which also contains the time of the judgment of the dead.
You cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.

(See also 1 Corinthians 15.)

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So you don't believe this has been fulfilled yet?

Revelation 11:19
Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple​

 

[shilohsfoal]

If you cannot get your viewpoint of Revelation 20 to agree with the Apostle Paul, or with the words of Jesus Christ, go back to the Old Testament and try to prove them wrong...


Now I understand.

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If you don't know, you should just say you don't know. It's OK if you don't know.

 

[TribulationSigns]

So you don't believe this has been fulfilled yet?

Revelation 11:19
Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple​

Please read the context:

Revelation 11:13-19 KJV
[13] And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
[14] The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
[15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
[16] And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
[19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 are Elect Christians within the New Testament congregation of God, the Church. So verse 13 is speaking about the total fall of the New Testament Congregation for her unfaithfulness in the end. Verse 15 is talking about the last (7th) trumpet being sound. This is WHEN Christ returns and the Saints rapture to meet with Him in the air. Verse 18 is talking about the reward for the Saints and the judgment of the unjust.

So when do you think the temple of God was opened in heaven? You should compare Scripture with Scripture and see this verse:

Revelation 10:7 KJV
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The mystery of God is the building of the New Testament Congregation. Therefore, the completed temple of God making up all Elects from Old Testament and New Testament appearing with Christ HImself won't appear in heaven UNTIL the mystery of God is finished. This will only happen at the "last trump" when the seventh angel shall sound... with the bodily return of Christ with His Saints.

70AD and physical city of Jersualem does not qualify.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Can anyone explain why European leaders celebrated the opening of the Gothard Tunnel with what many would consider to be a Satanic performanc?

Watch the goat-headed figure during the last 10 minutes.

This is one of the strangest things I have ever seen.

If anyone has a better explanation of the event I would love to hear it.

Were they celebrating the beast being released from the pit in 2016?

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I'd say Satan is busy decieving people.
It's just things like that, that prove it.

 

[shilohsfoal]

As someone who has been on all sides of this issue, I completely agree with you. Toward the end of the present "1,000 years," a complete period of time between Jesus' first and second comings, Satan is let loose from his very limited state, during which he couldn't prevent the gospel from spreading to the nations. What do you think? Has Satan been let loose to do limited damage until God whisks him away into hell? It seems to me that way now.

I don't think I would call being bound in a Pitt so he can't deceive anyone a limited state. Sounds like prison and can't get out.
So you believe Satan was bound when Jesus first started preaching the gospel so that it could spead?

 

[shilohsfoal]

The timing of Revelation 20 is revealed by the Apostle Paul.

The fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.
In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

The judgment of the dead is found at the end of Revelation 20.
In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others is also found in Revelation 11:15-18.
This proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order. This is confirmed by Christ returning as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19.

Revelation 20 is full of symbolic language.

We know the "first resurrection" in the chapter cannot be the first bodily resurrection in the book, because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected in chapter 11.
We also find the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, and you cannot have a time of the judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.

All of the above proves the Premill doctrine cannot be correct.

Christ will not conduct funeral services for 1,000 years after His Second Coming, in a world where immortals and mortals both live on the planet.
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of the judgment of the living in Matthew 25:31-46.
Instead Revelation 20 is a symbolic vision of the entire Church Age.

The 1,000 years is symbolic, just as the "key", and the "chain" are symbolic in the passage.
We know from Mark 5 that demonic spirits cannot be bound by a literal chain.


Some people try to interpret their entire Bible through their man-made interpretation of Revelation 20.
This is a serious mistake, and has produced numerous cults.


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OK, you seem like you want to teach someone something, so Ive got a question I hope you can clear up because the things your saying causes much confusion. So if you can answer it, I've got a question.

Who is controlling Jerusalem when Christ comes?

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison,
Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.
Revelation 20:9 And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
Revelation 20:9 And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

According to the text, it's upon earth.

 

[BABerean2]

OK, you seem like you want to teach someone something, so Ive got a question I hope you can clear up because the things your saying causes much confusion. So if you can answer it, I've got a question.

Who is controlling Jerusalem when Christ comes?

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison,
Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.
Revelation 20:9 And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

Which of the two cities below are you talking about?

Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Now please explain how Paul was confused in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.

The Master teacher is found in 1 John 2:27.
Is He your teacher?
How long have you known Him?


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