Paranormal Activity Club

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

It could also be that Izarya bes simply mistaken.
(Nothing personal Iz)
It bes always the possibility for any human perception or opinion on something, that the thoughts any given individual forms about anything could, at any time, simply be in error.

Without allowing for this possibility we would waste countless hours seeking to harmoniously resolve the disparate, disjointed, dissimilar notions of every mind what ever conceived a notion.

 

[izarya]

What then, is this seeking that G-d does? What is the motivation behind seeking to experience the human capacity for love, is this not emotion in and of itself?

I'm having an extreme difficulty in trying to put into words the things I'm thinking on this.

Similarly it is the similance of what we call emotion more like a sentiment, but of itself it is likened to a desire to experience the sentiment more deeply as only an emotional being can. As you say these areas are difficult to frame in words. That's why it's fun.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Or it could be that G-d bes the wellspring of all emotion, already experiences on a deeper scale what humans merely taste in their greatest intensities thereof, and being the Author thereof has placed this limited reflection of His own experience inside those He created in His image. Thus He needs not seek the human experience thereof for His own bes the source and origin of that, just as the mighty river bes the source of the trickling creek and it, in turn, of the tiny rivulets.

It bes not necessarily accurate to conceive God as more "stoic". Isaiah 55:8-9 leaves many possibilities open to exploration.

[bible]Isaiah 55:8-9[/bible]

 

[Shesjr]

What are your thoughts on guardian angels? Entities assigned to watch over you and protect you?

I have a story to share.

I was 12 years old at the time. I was walking to the store and a man approached me and asked me for the time. I gave it to him; it was 2 minutes to 5 pm if I recall...he told me that his dog just had puppies, was in the basement of his apartment and his landlord said he had to get the pupies out right now. He told me his wife would not be home from work for several hours and he needed help.

I went with him around to the alley (lived in Chicago at the time) and he led me down into a stair well behind an apartment building. The door was locked. He asked me if I had keys to open the door. At that point I realized something was up with this guy because why would I have keys to HIS basement door. He assured me he was new in the neighboorhood and did not recogonize which door was his because we were in the alley behind the buildings. He led me down another stair well. The door was open...the basement room was pitch black and we were alone. I could not even see the hand in front of my face. About 5 seconds after the door closed behind us, a light went on and the room was as bright as the sun. There stood a lady. She asked him who he was and what he was doing there. He told her he was looking for his wife...(not puppies) and she said there was no woman by that name who lived in that building.

I was scared speachless by this time. I did not want to utter a word for fear of him killing the both of us.

We exited the basement back into the alley. He said some some very lude sexual things to me. I ran away into a corner candy store right around the corner. He ran to his car parked on the busy street in front of the apartment building. One of my brothers best friends was coming out of the candy store as I was running in yelling. The kid got the plate number of the guys car and he got caught.

He had a long record of criminal sexual assaults. Convicted of sodomozing babies too!!! I can only imagine what his plans were for me that day. What I do know is that I was spared from something that could have been horrible.

So, who was that lady??

 

[izarya]

It could also be that Izarya bes simply mistaken.
(Nothing personal Iz)
It bes always the possibility for any human perception or opinion on something, that the thoughts any given individual forms about anything could, at any time, simply be in error.

Without allowing for this possibility we would waste countless hours seeking to harmoniously resolve the disparate, disjointed, dissimilar notions of every mind what ever conceived a notion.

That could also be right.

 

[izarya]

Or it could be that G-d bes the wellspring of all emotion, already experiences on a deeper scale what humans merely taste in their greatest intensities thereof, and being the Author thereof has placed this limited reflection of His own experience inside those He created in His image. Thus He needs not seek the human experience thereof for His own bes the source and origin of that, just as the mighty river bes the source of the trickling creek and it, in turn, of the tiny rivulets.

It bes not necessarily accurate to conceive God as more "stoic". Isaiah 55:8-9 leaves many possibilities open to exploration.

[bible]Isaiah 55:8-9[/bible]

Sounds good and all, but unlikely... at least according to my understanding. The whole goal of mankind as per ancient tradition was become less emotional and more rational. At least in the sense that one cannot make true judgement and deal equitably when one is emotionally involved. Emotions are a human condition, at least from where I'm standing.

 

[.chrys.]

Similarly it is the similance of what we call emotion more like a sentiment, but of itself it is likened to a desire to experience the sentiment more deeply as only an emotional being can. As you say these areas are difficult to frame in words. That's why it's fun.

Hmm. I have to wonder also, then, if G-d has a desire to experience the sentiment of other emotions (non-love) as emotional and/or demonic beings as well.

[BTW: I'd ask these things in the Kabbalah group, but I inadvertently locked myself out of it. Working on rebuilding it FYI.]

 

[.chrys.]

Sounds good and all, but unlikely... at least according to my understanding. The whole goal of mankind as per ancient tradition was become less emotional and more rational. At least in the sense that one cannot make true judgement and deal equitably when one is emotionally involved. Emotions are a human condition, at least from where I'm standing.

I have a notion that ultimately, the human (more specifically, the soul that drives the human) will reconcile the emotional with the rational, such that true judgment be a holistic--and therefor, truer--judgment.

Again. Words. Not enough to do justice.

 

[Shesjr]

Hmm. I have to wonder also, then, if G-d...

Sorry for the off topic questinon but why do you type the reference to God like G-d?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Sounds good and all, but unlikely... at least according to my understanding. The whole goal of mankind as per ancient tradition was become less emotional and more rational. At least in the sense that one cannot make true judgement and deal equitably when one is emotionally involved. Emotions are a human condition, at least from where I'm standing.

Human imbalances considered largely the product of "the Virus" bes now to be made the measure of assessing the plausibility of Divine emotion? *LOL*
Oh no no no no no, it does not think so.

Where bes your proof that lack of "true judgment and equitable dealing" bes a product of the innate laws of original creation from the beginning and not, in fact, a consequence of the entrance of the Virus?

Rather it directs you to contemplate Hebrews 11:3 in this context instead.

 

[.chrys.]

What are your thoughts on guardian angels? Entities assigned to watch over you and protect you?
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So, who was that lady??

I think it's a grand idea to have guardian angels, but I can't make any judgment call on what you experienced. Only you can ponder on that with any sense of understanding--as you were witness to the event.

 

[.chrys.]

Sorry for the off topic questinon but why do you type the reference to God like G-d?

Personal preference. Has personal significance to me.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I have a notion that ultimately, the human (more specifically, the soul that drives the human) will reconcile the emotional with the rational, such that true judgment be a holistic--and therefor, truer--judgment.

Again. Words. Not enough to do justice.

There bes just as much imbalance in the opposite direction, IMO. Lack of investment and involvement does not produce greater levels of objectivity but, on the contrary, bigger pockets of ignorance of the full picture leading to, in some cases (not all), an even worse form of subjectivity than that produced by "being too close to the situation".

JMO, YMMV.

 

[icedtea]

My mum always told me I had a guardian angel, but the times I was saved (a bus almost hit me, and I almost fell down stairs) I think it was God watching for me.

 

[.chrys.]

There bes just as much imbalance in the opposite direction, IMO. Lack of investment and involvement does not produce greater levels of objectivity but, on the contrary, bigger pockets of ignorance of the full picture leading to, in some cases (not all), an even worse form of subjectivity than that produced by "being too close to the situation".

JMO, YMMV.

In essence, that's what I was intending to get across--that both the rational and the emotional (reasoning and feeling) perspectives, when reconciled one with another, lead to greater recognition/discernment of Truth. When the rational is harmonized with the emotional in such a fluid state that the two are unified as a whole, then and only then can the greatest objectivity in judgment be found.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

CW bes you certain of that? Have you personally ever harmonized the two in perfect balance and tested your theory? Have you ever heard firsthand the account of anyone who has?

See, we can speculate endlessly -- and speculation bes fun -- but our cleverness in abstraction does not necessarily mean its products would be as we imagine could we live everything we guess and postulate.

Again, think outside the box. It bes not either/or. Infinite possibilities. Infinite numbers of combinations and potential configurations. Not just the thousands we might be able to achieve conceiving if we had the time to so devote and the breadth of awareness to so birth, but infinite countless ones beyond those.

And yet like stupid talking monkeys we tend to sit bickering over "either/or" zero sum game propositions.

 

[.chrys.]

CW bes you certain of that? Have you personally ever harmonized the two in perfect balance and tested your theory? Have you ever heard firsthand the account of anyone who has?

Uh, no, no and no. For what it's worth, I'm not saying this is what is happening right now, or even that I'm able to achieve it, but I do think it's what has to happen to attain that near-perfect state of objectivity. And what that looks like*, in my mind's eye, is anything but what is conceivably human...as we know it.

See, we can speculate endlessly -- and speculation bes fun -- but our cleverness in abstraction does not necessarily mean its products would be as we imagine could we live everything we guess and postulate.

Again, think outside the box. It bes not either/or. Infinite possibilities. Infinite numbers of combinations and potential configurations. Not just the thousands we might be able to achieve conceiving if we had the time to so devote and the breadth of awareness to so birth, but infinite countless ones beyond those.

And yet like stupid talking monkeys we tend to sit bickering over "either/or" zero sum game propositions

Agreed.

What shall we say then, if it profiteth us nothing?
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*I'm thinking also of the transmutation of human emotion. That is to say to achieve such a state as to have rational emotion--to respond emotionally as rationality would dictate.

 

[izarya]

Trying to re-establish this thread. I have restarted the paranormal investigations group, we went out on Friday night to a local cemetery and spent a few hours there.

So far I have a few photos containing orbs, I'm still listening to the digital voice recordings.

 

[izarya]

Here are a couple of pictures containing 'orbs' that were taken in a cemetery Friday night.

 

[Timuchin]

The "orbs" appear to be out of focus specks on the lens that are reflecting the flash back into the camera. Put a shroud over the lens to solve the problem.

The reason real ghosts are "seen" more when it is dark is that we are not looking with our fleshly eyes that much. We are then more aware of what our soul "sees" in the paranormal or spiritual realm.

However, spiritual manifestations of demons and angels can be "seen" at any time of the day. I recall "seeing" a seven-foot tall angel one afternoon.

When I was in the occult I "saw" three-foot tall imps in the house. They could go through doors and walls. I had to leave the house to get away from them. Later, as a Christian, I kicked them out by the authority of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.