Palestine DNA Jewish than those living in Israel

[timewerx]

Worldwide most (80%) are Ashkenazi. However, in Israel, about 45% of the Jewish population is Ashkenazi, while the other 55% is Sephardi. Which Arabs are mostly Jewish? Mizrahi Jews are...oh but they are Jews...

Proof refutes what you know about the Sephardi:

We find the Sephardic admixture to be more recent relative to the Berber admixture following an out-of-Iberia geographic dispersal, suggesting Sephardic gene flow from Spain outwards. We also report some of the challenges in assigning Sephardic ancestry to potentially admixed individuals due to the lack of a clear genetic signature.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/325779v1.full.pdf

No they don't. It shows you do not understand them and you have an agenda...

If you think you understand the articles I linked better than I do,

Why have you not used them to refute my posts? Strange. Perhaps, you're the one with agenda?

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[timewerx]

The land was populated by non-Jews prior to God giving it to Abraham and his descendants.

Deuteronomy 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

That's right.

Unfortunately, the people the world officially recognize as Jews are more Europeans than ancient Jews by genetics according to the linked research in my previous posts and OP.

The Bible still refers to Jews by genetics as the "house of Israel" even though they're "lost". Europeans are referred to as Gentiles.

If say a Jew converts to Islam and becomes a Muslim but as long as they're genetically Jewish, God still see them as the House of Israel.

It really concerns me that the war being waged in the Middle East by USA and allies are against the people of the Lord, the House of Israel, they will face the wrath of God.

 

[RileyG]

Due to influx of Caucasus Judaist converts, modern Jews may be less genetically similar to ancient Jews than the Palestinians and Arabs are.

Hmmm...

From what I understand, Jewish converts, regardless of ethnicity or ancestry, are considered fully Jewish.

Genetics don't matter, even though Judaism is indeed passed through the mother.

Funny story:

(I actually did a DNA test with many, many different companies. I think two of them mentioned Ashkenazi ancestry and Seperhadic ancestry.

I'm white through and through.

I only claim Czech, Irish, English, Scottish, German, Austrian & Italian as my roots).

 

[RileyG]

God knows who are His.

During the Tribulation period, He is going to seal twelve thousand from each of the twelve tribes.

So not only are the Jews around, but their tribes are also.

That's a SYMBOLIC number correct? I'm sure more than 144,000 are saved? Since 144,000 is such a small number?

 

[timewerx]

Hmmm...

From what I understand, Jewish converts, regardless of ethnicity or ancestry, are considered fully Jewish.

Genetics don't matter, even though Judaism is indeed passed through the mother.

That is according to Judaism and as the world recognizes it.

However, the Bible concerns itself with ancestry (genetics) first than religious affiliation. The "Lost Sheep" are still referred to as the House of Israel in the Bible even if they have turned their backs on the Lord even if other Jews consider them as heretics.

Throughout the Bible, Israelis have turned to other religions, after pagan or heathen gods but the Bible still refers to them as Israel. If that is the case, would it be different if Israelis by ancestry convert into Muslims?

Ofc, multiple generations after conversion to other religions, after many decades or even centuries, these Israelis would no longer recognize/remember their original ancestry and even regard themselves as gentiles.

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[RileyG]

That is according to Judaism and as the world recognizes it.

However, the Bible concerns itself with ancestry (genetics) first than religious affiliation. The "Lost Sheep" are still referred to as the House of Israel in the Bible even if they have turned their backs on the Lord even if other Jews consider them as heretics.

Throughout the Bible, Israelis have turned to other religions, after pagan or heathen gods but the Bible still refers to them as Israel. If that is the case, would it be different if Israelis by ancestry convert into Muslims?

Ofc, multiple generations after conversion to other religions, after many decades or even centuries, these Israelis would no longer recognize/remember their original ancestry and even regard themselves as gentiles.

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Well….islam has no genetics. They were all followers of Mohammad. Some like to claim Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, which I do not accept as credible. It was founded by a single man. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

There are indeed ethnic Jews, even if they left the religion of Judaism.

If I understand correctly.

 

[timewerx]

Well….islam has no genetics. They were all followers of Mohammad. Some like to claim Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, which I do not accept as credible. It was founded by a single man. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

There are indeed ethnic Jews, even if they left the religion of Judaism.

If I understand correctly.

If Israelis turn into Islam, God would still recognize them as the House of Israel due to ancestry.

It's not surprising at some point in history some Israelis would convert especially if they were forced to convert by Islamic warlords. Or some excommunicated from the Jewish faith, they'll probably turn to other religions.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Proof refutes what you know about the Sephardi:

We find the Sephardic admixture to be more recent relative to the Berber admixture following an out-of-Iberia geographic dispersal, suggesting Sephardic gene flow from Spain outwards. We also report some of the challenges in assigning Sephardic ancestry to potentially admixed individuals due to the lack of a clear genetic signature.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/325779v1.full.pdf

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What have you refuted lol?

 

[BCP1928]

If Israelis turn into Islam, God would still recognize them as the House of Israel due to ancestry.

It's not surprising at some point in history some Israelis would convert especially if they were forced to convert by Islamic warlords. Or some excommunicated from the Jewish faith, they'll probably turn to other religions.

I don't know why the possibility should even come up. Jews, Muslims and Christians managed to live together (relatively, for that region) peacefully under Ottoman rule for four hundred years until the Brits came along, conquered Ottoman Palestine and dumped a western-aligned secular state on it to be populated with Europeans. It's Outremer all over again, only this time the indigenous Muslims are fighting Jews instead of Christian Crusaders.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Ofc, multiple generations after conversion to other religions, after many decades or even centuries, these Israelis would no longer recognize/remember their original ancestry and even regard themselves as gentiles.

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...that HAS happened, especially regarding Sephardic Jews and Catholicism. There is widespread Sephardic ancestry in Latin America.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Palestine may have more ancient Jewish genes than those living in the secular state of Israel.

Modern Palestine DNA - "analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites"

The origin of Palestinians and their genetic relatedness with other Mediterranean populations - PubMed

The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Arab DNA: "More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years."

https://www.science.org/content/article/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry

Modern Jew DNA - "Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis depicting a large Near Eastern–Caucasus ancestry"

The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses - PMC

The question of Jewish ancestry has been the subject of controversy for over two centuries and has yet to be resolved. The “Rhineland hypothesis” depicts Eastern European Jews as a “population isolate” that emerged from a small group of German Jews ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Ana the Ist]

I have no idea what "Palestinian DNA" or "Jewish DNA" is nor do I think there's any qualitative difference.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't know why the possibility should even come up. Jews, Muslims and Christians managed to live together (relatively, for that region) peacefully under Ottoman rule for four hundred years until the Brits came along, conquered Ottoman Palestine and dumped a western-aligned secular state on it to be populated with Europeans. It's Outremer all over again, only this time the indigenous Muslims are fighting Jews instead of Christian Crusaders.

This is fantasy.

 

[BCP1928]

This is fantasy.

Of course. Muslims have always hated Jews and wanted to exterminate them. The terror victims of HAMAS were chosen because they were Jews--it had nothing to do with their being Israelis.

 

[timewerx]

I have no idea what "Palestinian DNA" or "Jewish DNA" is nor do I think there's any qualitative difference.

The Middle East is the "melting pot" of ethnic groups from Europe, Africa, and Asia.

However, the topic is concerning "Jewish DNA" which is problematic because genetic origins suggest they simply came from various regions around Europe and the main reason why their DNA is unique compared to local non-Jewish population from their places of origin is due to inbreeding.

Bottlenecks That Reduced Genetic Diversity Were Common Throughout Human History | Research UC Berkeley

Human populations have waxed and waned over the millennia, with some cultures exploding and migrating to new areas or new continents, others dropping to such low numbers that their genetic diversity plummeted. In some small populations, inbreeding causes once rare genetic diseases to become...

vcresearch.berkeley.edu

The main genetic link to Ancient Israel is Canaan and ironically, the modern descendants of the People living in Canaan during its time are currently in Lebanon.

All evidence challenges modern Jewish claim to Palestine lands. I think the Zionists (including many of the Allied nations) went there and occupied a territory for a reason we were never told. The land is not rich in natural resources, they did not go there for religious purposes. But there must be something incredibly valuable out there, else, they wouldn't have gone there.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The Middle East is the "melting pot" of ethnic groups from Europe, Africa, and Asia.

However, the topic is concerning "Jewish DNA" which is problematic because genetic origins suggest they simply came from various regions around Europe and the main reason why their DNA is unique compared to local non-Jewish population from their places of origin is due to inbreeding.

Bottlenecks That Reduced Genetic Diversity Were Common Throughout Human History | Research UC Berkeley

Human populations have waxed and waned over the millennia, with some cultures exploding and migrating to new areas or new continents, others dropping to such low numbers that their genetic diversity plummeted. In some small populations, inbreeding causes once rare genetic diseases to become...

vcresearch.berkeley.edu

The main genetic link to Ancient Israel is Canaan and ironically, the modern descendants of the People living in Canaan during its time are currently in Lebanon.

All evidence challenges modern Jewish claim to Palestine lands. I think the Zionists (including many of the Allied nations) went there and occupied a territory for a reason we were never told. The land is not rich in natural resources, they did not go there for religious purposes. But there must be something incredibly valuable out there, else, they wouldn't have gone there.

Are You There, Race? It’s Me, DNA

What would you say is Liam Neeson’s race? I ask this question because in this era of the gene, of people swabbing their cheeks to know where their ancestors came from, and of racism glazed over with the shiny patina of science, many people feel confused about race. They have heard that it’s a...

www.mcgill.ca

Unless there's been some big advances in DNA I haven't heard about....no....it doesn't say anything about race or ethnicity. The DNA of a Palestinian and Jew would be around 99.9% the same....and if you want to claim that the 0.1% makes some big difference...science disagrees.

And regardless, I can't imagine what it would possibly mean in any way to the current Gaza conflict. Nobody cares what your DNA is when the question of "who's land is this" comes up. That's obvious.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Palestine may have more ancient Jewish genes than those living in the secular state of Israel.

Modern Palestine DNA - "analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites"

The origin of Palestinians and their genetic relatedness with other Mediterranean populations - PubMed

The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Paper was retracted lol Editorial. Anthropology and genetic markers - PubMed It did not even use nuclear or mtDNA. They just used the HLA gene. It was from 2001 anyway...old. Palestinians (who are mostly mixed Arabs) are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians...who would have thought that lol!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

"Jewish DNA" which is problematic because genetic origins suggest they simply came from various regions around Europe and the main reason why their DNA is unique compared to local non-Jewish population from their places of origin is due to inbreeding.

Really???? Sephardic Jews too??? Mizrahi Jews too??? Yemeni Jews too??? Ethiopian Jews too??? lol

 

[timewerx]

And regardless, I can't imagine what it would possibly mean in any way to the current Gaza conflict. Nobody cares what your DNA is when the question of "who's land is this" comes up. That's obvious.

You're right. But even if DNA is actually considered, it doesn't work in favor of the Jews either.

I suppose to Israel, it's simply a matter of who's the strongest who is able to claim the land.

 

[RileyG]

If Israelis turn into Islam, God would still recognize them as the House of Israel due to ancestry.

It's not surprising at some point in history some Israelis would convert especially if they were forced to convert by Islamic warlords. Or some excommunicated from the Jewish faith, they'll probably turn to other religions.

Ok then? So God only recognizes based on ancestry?

I doubt that.