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These are silly arguments that reverses the way language works. Whatever I call the celebration doesn't change what I'm celebrating. Another thing. When Christian missionary's went to other lands to spread the Gospel it wasn't in a spirit of changing their culture. Most cultures centuries, or millenia ago had a foundation of myth that gave their society stability and for themselves meaning.Some have a good measure of truth. Some not much and others have deep meaning and a measure of error. If the Truth belongs to you as a member of the body that Truth was given. The object of myth is truth. In the measure it is true it will point at it's true object. So the truth in myth,true will point to it's true object. Jesus is Truth. BTW If I call my celebration Easter I'm still celebrating the resurrection no matter what it's called. Whatever word I'm using it means what I use it for. Words migrate over time, it's the concepts that don't change. The concepts are symbolized by different words. That's what this easter argument pagan holidayThe concept is the resurrection It might be called dweetha in a hundred years. What is celebrated will stay the same
Do you think it is bad for Christian tradition to have some association with something that was once a pagan thing? If you do then why is it bad?How many pagan traditions can you find in Christian ones? Hint: Halloween.
Nope
It is those who believe the above who are deceived.
prodomos is right.You have the right to believe what you will.
What has Ishtar to do with Paschal mystery (Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again)?You need to investigate the celebtion of Easter (Ishtar) a bit deeper It was celebrated for thousands of years before Jesus rose from the dead
So you think the Christmas tree came up first in Germany in the 16th century? I believe we can find the Christmas tree in the Bible long before the birth of Christ.
Jeremiah 10
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
No offense but you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You really need to educate yourself so that you might know the truth. The proof that you are wrong is right there in Jeremaih 10. By the sound of your answers it appears you are in the clergy as it would seem odd for a lay person to give that answer for why Christmas is on Dec 25th.
For anyone interested in the truth..........
*Christmas - Dec 25th - Birthday of Tammuz, The sun god, the reincarnated Nimrod.
*Valentines Day - The birthday of Nimrod. Nimrod is Osiris, Odin, Mithra, Zeus, Jupiter etc, etc, etc, etc
*Lent - 40 days of mourning the death of Tammuz. Tammuz is Horus, Thor, Apollo, Krishna etc, etc, etc, etc.
*Easter - Honoring Semiramis, the mother and wife of Nimrod. At her death she becomes Ishtar...who is also known as Isis....Madonna.....Diana....Venus......Ashtoreth.....Devaki.....Cybele etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
*Thanksgiving - Honoring the goddess of the harvest Ceres with the festival Cerelia.......who also has many names as she is Semiramis. If you think the first Thanksgiving was celebrated in 1621 by the Pilgrims...........you are sadly mistaken.
God's chosen day of worship changed in 321AD from the Sabbath, to SUNday. The Lord's Day....Baal's Day. The venerable day of the sun by Constantine.
He's the author of a book called "The Two Babylons - The Papal Worship Proved to Be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife" which appears to be related to your sources whatever they may be.Never heard of him.Alexander Hislop?
You would do well to ignore the mish mash of unrelated and erroneous beliefs which followsFor anyone interested in the truth..........
*Christmas - Dec 25th - Birthday of Tammuz, The sun god, the reincarnated Nimrod.
*Valentines Day - The birthday of Nimrod. Nimrod is Osiris, Odin, Mithra, Zeus, Jupiter etc, etc, etc, etc
*Lent - 40 days of mourning the death of Tammuz. Tammuz is Horus, Thor, Apollo, Krishna etc, etc, etc, etc.
*Easter - Honoring Semiramis, the mother and wife of Nimrod. At her death she becomes Ishtar...who is also known as Isis....Madonna.....Diana....Venus......Ashtoreth.....Devaki.....Cybele etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
*Thanksgiving - Honoring the goddess of the harvest Ceres with the festival Cerelia.......who also has many names as she is Semiramis. If you think the first Thanksgiving was celebrated in 1621 by the Pilgrims...........you are sadly mistaken.
God's chosen day of worship changed in 321AD from the Sabbath, to SUNday. The Lord's Day....Baal's Day. The venerable day of the sun by Constantine.
Giving thanks before meals.How many pagan traditions can you find in Christian ones? Hint: Halloween.
Jeremiah ten is talking about making idols from a tree, not decorating them in the fashion of modern Christmas trees.
As for a primary source, how about the Bible. I just gave you the exact description of a Christmas tree in Jeremiah 10 and if you can't see that............how can you possibly see anything.As for the claims of these connections, can you actually provide the primary sources which prove these assertions and then draw out the historical chronology that definitively proves the connection? We can do this with other aspects of Christian theology ( the development of understanding the Trinity for instance ) but why can't those who make these large assumptions regarding the Christian year be bothered to put forth anything other than bold claims? Instead of buying these popular myths, why not do the research? Credible research, not Jack Chick or Alexander Hislop.
Look at what I say about Lent? It is 40 days of mourning the death of Tammuz. In case you don't know God confused languages at the tower of Babel. When he did so those that could communicate went to different areas of the world. That is why Apollo is Tammuz to the Greeks and Horus is Tammuz to the Egyptians etc, etc, etc, etc. Again we might go to a credible source the Bible.I mean, just look at what you say about Lent, that it honours not only an Indian God (Krishna) but also an Egyptian God (Horus), a Greek God (Apollo), a Norse God (Thor) and a Babylonian God (Tammuz). If days of fasting before the feast of Pascha existed in all of these traditions it shouldn't be too hard to find the sources for it, but you never do because they don't exist. I don't expect an answer, other than LOL or "You can believe what you want. I'll stick this this."
Not a convincing position.
Said the blind manYou would do well to ignore the mish mash of unrelated and erroneous beliefs which follows
I'm an Electrician. I don't do Blinds.Said the blind man
So you think the Christmas tree came up first in Germany in the 16th century? I believe we can find the Christmas tree in the Bible long before the birth of Christ.
Jeremiah 10
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
No offense but you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You really need to educate yourself so that you might know the truth. The proof that you are wrong is right there in Jeremaih 10. By the sound of your answers it appears you are in the clergy as it would seem odd for a lay person to give that answer for why Christmas is on Dec 25th.
For anyone interested in the truth..........
*Christmas - Dec 25th - Birthday of Tammuz, The sun god, the reincarnated Nimrod.
*Valentines Day - The birthday of Nimrod. Nimrod is Osiris, Odin, Mithra, Zeus, Jupiter etc, etc, etc, etc
*Lent - 40 days of mourning the death of Tammuz. Tammuz is Horus, Thor, Apollo, Krishna etc, etc, etc, etc.
*Easter - Honoring Semiramis, the mother and wife of Nimrod. At her death she becomes Ishtar...who is also known as Isis....Madonna.....Diana....Venus......Ashtoreth.....Devaki.....Cybele etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
*Thanksgiving - Honoring the goddess of the harvest Ceres with the festival Cerelia.......who also has many names as she is Semiramis. If you think the first Thanksgiving was celebrated in 1621 by the Pilgrims...........you are sadly mistaken.
God's chosen day of worship changed in 321AD from the Sabbath, to SUNday. The Lord's Day....Baal's Day. The venerable day of the sun by Constantine.
All of the Easter celebrations are based on Ishtar including the name of the event..Ishtar= EasterWhat has Ishtar to do with Paschal mystery (Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again)?
God did nothing of the sort...Man did...We wanted things to celebrate too, so we borrowed pagan holidays and christianized them, which does not work.There's another angle to a lot of this.
To all practising Christian believers on this thread, are you a "holy" person (member of a holy nation and by implication a holy person) or a sinner saved by grace and still having to cope with sin on a daily basis?
The entire work of God in people is to "swallow up death in victory," to take a sinner and enemy of God and make such into "children of God," saints, priests, the "body of Christ," "the Bride of Christ," "citizens of heaven," a "holy nation." Which do we want to see - the before or after picture? Which should we emphasize." Do we want to emphasise and celebrate...John Newton the slave-trader, or John Newton the converted hymn writer and evangelist? The man before or after God intervened?
So you could look at the way God has taken pagan festivals and "swallowed them up" making them days when we can celebrate the works of God, instead of the works of the evil one. God usurps the right of evil doers to claim special festival days, and makes them holy days to focus our thoughts on Him, just has he made sinners in his children and heirs. (In fact he claims every day to be a holy day!)
If I accidentally hit someone with my car, I didn't really hit them.....What kind of logic are you hanging on to?If the heart is innocent the party happening is innocent. You might as well avoid math because algebra is an arabic word.
Jer 10
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Come on man......where do you think the Christmas tree came from. They cut a tree out of the forest with an ax. They deck it (decorate) with silver and gold and fasten it with nails and hammer. THAT IS A MODERN DAY CHRISTMAS TREE. What idol do you think they are talking about. When Tammuz was killed by a wild boar it was said his blood fell on a dry stump and the next day a live evergreen tree grew. The idol you are talking about is from that day forward they cut down a fir tree in honor of Tammuz who was said to be the reincarnated Nimrod.
As for a primary source, how about the Bible. I just gave you the exact description of a Christmas tree in Jeremiah 10 and if you can't see that............how can you possibly see anything.
Look at what I say about Lent? It is 40 days of mourning the death of Tammuz. In case you don't know God confused languages at the tower of Babel. When he did so those that could communicate went to different areas of the world. That is why Apollo is Tammuz to the Greeks and Horus is Tammuz to the Egyptians etc, etc, etc, etc. Again we might go to a credible source the Bible.
Ezekiel 8
13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
I just wonder if there is going to come a day when you are interested in truth, or are you going to blindly follow what you have been taught. Just so you know, few seek the truth. Most don't seek out why we do things...........they just blindly do as they are told and have been taught. For example, they put up a Christmas tree in their house and think it has something to do with Christ without ever wondering what the Christmas tree really is. If you think that it popped up in the 1600's you might check your Bible.
All of the Easter celebrations are based on Ishtar including the name of the event..Ishtar= Easter
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