Orthodox Rasta: What to do with Rastafarians who are Christias/ Orthodox (Ethopian)?

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For anyone interested...Been a long time since I interacted with any of my brothers/sisters on the Eastern Orthodox boards...but I'm glad to be able to join here......and hopefully, good discussion will follow from what's stated. I was writing due to some unique experiences I've been able to go through......as concerning my own West-Indian cultural background, I was blessed to go on a mission trip to the homeland of Jamaica. Been there numerous times before..... but its always a blessing to visit. The last time I went was about 7 years ago.

One of the things that often happens is that one inevitably encounters those who are known as Rastafarians----and though I knew of them/saw them before, I never go to interact much with them. When it came to going down there, I made it a point to study up on the cultural dynamics of Rastafariniasm so I'd be caught up/able to witness. When I came down, it was amazing to see how many times I was called "Rasta" ---which I thought was initially due to how I have locks currently...but as it turns out, it seems that the term "RASTA" was something used to denote one who is spiritual...wise/godly...and though I used to be oppossed



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Studying up on Rastafarianism, it was amazing to see not only the differences---but just how much there's in common between Christians and the group...and hearing out those who used to be in it/where they come from was a blessing. Some Rastafari choose to classify their movement as Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity, Protestant Christianity, or Judaism..and of those, the ties to the Ethiopian Church are the most widespread, although this is controversial to many Ethiopian clergy. For discussions have raged for ages on those who're Rastafarian and Christian...as many had the Biblical Belief that Jesus was the Messiah...but many in the more "extreme" aspects of camp mistakenly held that Hali Salessi was Christ come back. I was amazed to learn that Haile Selassie, the King of Ethopia, was himself a devout believer in Christ......and one who was intimately connected with the Ethopian Orthodox Church. Whenever it came to others wondering why it was that people said was the Messiah, he'd always reply "I'm a mere man. I will be replaced by the oncoming generation and a human being should not be emulated for a deity.'"

Many who used to be Rastafarians worshipping Hali recognized that instead of worshipping him, they should've been worshipping who he was worshipping. And for the many who claim to be Rastafarians, and as I learned, the term "Rasta" can be used as a means of endearment since the name Rastafari is taken from Ras Tafari, the pre-regnal title of Haile Selassie I, composed of Amharic Ras (literally "Head," an Ethiopian title equivalent to Duke), and Haile Selassie's pre-regnal given name. Being called "Rasta" is many times a way of saying one's deeply spiritual/righteous like the Christian Emperor of Ethopia-----with the dominant focus simply being upon the lifestyle (i.e. maintaining locks/dreads as a spiritual symbolization like the Nazarite Vows, vegetarian lifestyles, Afrocentrism, Addressing the ways in which European Expansionism/Colonialsim and Imperialism has utilized Christianity as a means of continuning itself/suppressing others, Reggae, etc). .....as opposed to choosing to worship a man who's not Christ.

One of the best books on the subject is entitled Dread Jesus by William Spencer....


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And for some more info on the book--as said best elsewhere:
"Dread Jesus": A New View of the Rastafari Movement

William David Spencer’s Dread Jesus (London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 1999) is, quite simply, one of the best books by a Christian theologian about a new religious movement. Although Spencer examines primarily different views of Jesus Christ within the Rastafari community, the book is also a comprehensive history of the movement, of its sources, and of the differences between its many contemporary branches. It is also a valuable introduction to reggae music and its connections with the Rastafari community. Spencer, as many Rastafari scholars before him, traces Rastafari back to the Ethiopianist movement and the Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA), established in 1914 in Jamaica by Marcus Mosiah Garvey (1887-1940). While Zionists preached the return of Jews to Palestine, Ethiopianists suggested that African Americans should eventually return to Africa (and particularly to the historical heart of Africa, Ethiopia). Spencer reconstructs Ethiopianism as a Christian movement, although an unorthodox one. While Garvey’s image of a "black Christ" was consciously symbolic, other Ethiopianist preachers such as Robert Athyli Rogers (from the Caribbean island of Anguilla), founder of the Afro Athlican Constructive Church, regarded the "black Jesus" as one among many divine incarnations (for Rogers, the most important incarnation of God was Elijah ).

Others, like Prophet Alexander Bedward in Jamaica, claimed to be the new messiah themselves. All this changed on November 2, 1930 when Ras Tafari was crowned as Emperor of Ethiopia as H.I.M. (His Imperial Majesty) Hailé Selassié I (1892-1975). World media covered the event, and most (although not all) Ethiopianists in Jamaica believed that this successor to the line of King Solomon, bearing titles such as "King of Kings" and "Lion of Judah", was indeed the Christ who was to return. Spencer insists on the role played on the foundation of Rastafari religion by three preachers: Leonard Howell, H. Archibald Dunkley, and Joseph Nathaniel Hibbert.

As far as Dunkley and Hibbert are concerned, he insists on their membership in the Great Ancient Brotherhood of Silence, or Ancient Mystic Order of Ethiopia, one of the "black" (or "Prince Hall") Masonic organizations. Spencer claims that a number of features of Rastafari religion derive from this branch of Freemasonry (including the name "Jah" for "God", coming from the Masonic form "Jah-Bul-On"). Later Rastafari leaders and authors, such as Dennis Forsythe, were in turn influenced, according to Spencer, by the Rosicrucian order AMORC. Rastafari is, thus, a syncretistic faith including elements from the Western esoteric and occult tradition, Christianity, and Jamaican and Caribbean lore (including the trademark Rastafari dreadlocks, and the use of ganja). Spencer also re-examines the well-known story of Selassié’s visit to Jamaica in 1966, his denial to be God or the return of Christ, and his attempt to lead Rastafarians into the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (with only moderate success). He also examines the peculiar role of reggae singer Bob Marley (1945-1981) in the development of Rastafarian thought (an extreme fringe even believes Marley, rather than Selassié, to be the messiah). The most important part of Spencer’s book deals with Rastafari reactions to the Marxist revolution in Ethiopia, and the following imprisonment and eventual death of Selassié in 1975. While, in the immediate aftermath of these events , Selassié’s death was explained away as yet another "big lie" by the world media, gradually most Rastafarians recognized that His Imperial Majesty will not physically reappear any time soon.

What happened, according to Spencer, was the separation of elements whose coexistence within the Rastafari community had always been difficult. While only a handful of Rastafarians followed Selassié’s counsel and joined the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, a significant number (whose main international organization is the Twelve Tribes of Israel) adopted a more explicitly Christian approach, recognizing Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Selassié as a mere human (if all-important) prophet. Their Christ remains a "black Christ" within the frame of contemporary black or Africanist theology. As a reaction, an anti-Christian movement, the "bun Christ" (or "burn Christ") movement, manifested itself, particularly at certain reggae events. Rastafari has always been anti-Catholic (because it accuses the Catholic Church of having supported Mussolini’s invasion of Ethiopia, seen as the ultimate sacrilege). Some contemporary Rastafarians are also anti-Christian, although many would qualify even the most extreme "burn Christ" statements by claiming that their quarrel is with the "white Christ" in whose name racist crimes have been perpetrated, not with a liberated "black Christ". There is little doubt, however, that one branch of Rastafari has followed the Eastern linings of one of the "founders", Leonard Howell, and has adopted a mystical view of Selassié’s soul as an entity quite independent from the Emperor’s physical manifestation. A portion of this divine spark or essence, eminently manifested in Selassié, is present in all Rastafari faithful, if not in all human beings, within the framework of a sort of gnostic pantheism true to the occult-esoteric connections of some of the "founders".

Rastafari, Spencer concludes, is at a crossroad, between Selassié as God (re-interpreted after the Emperor’s death in a pantheistic and gnostic sense) and "the God of Selassié", i.e. Jesus Christ. In the latter sense, Rastafari, or a branch of it, may eventually become a "Selassian" Christian Church, no less Christian for its veneration of Selassié as a prophet and a saint (just, Spencer notes, as there is a "Lutheran" Church, named after Martin Luther but certainly not claiming that he was the messiah). At any rate, Spencer takes seriously Rastafari as potential (and, at least in some cases, actual) "roots Christianity" of what he calls with the politically correct name of two-thirds world. While liberation theology has been too often a theoretical construct of Western intellectuals, movements such as Rastafari are a much more reliable indicator of the real feelings and spiritual needs of Caribbean and other two-thirds world spiritual seekers. In this perspective, Spencer’s book is a model of theological dialogue between traditional Christianity and a new, admittedly "bizarre", religious tradition. Similar enterprises should probably be attempted with respect to other new religious movements as well.




I'd definately recommend the book, for anyone interested on getting a good review on the issue. Outside of that, For more info, one can consider going online and looking up articles under the following names:
If anyone has any thoughts on the issue, I'd love to hear sometime. What are your thoughts on the issue of Rastafarianism and the Ethopian Orthodox Church? Do you agree or disagree that they are connected/can co-exist? Is it wrong to be considered a "Christian Rasta" or "Ethopian Orthodox Rasta"? Would love to hear sometime...
 
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The thing with Rastafarians is that they worship HIM Haile Selassie I as the second coming of Christ and we obviously know this is wrong. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church has been gaining converts from Rastafarianism since HIM (being a devout Orthodox Christain) sent Abuna Yesehaq to bring the Rastas to the Ethiopian Church.

Do you agree or disagree that they are connected/can co-exist? Is it wrong to be considered a "Christian Rasta" or "Ethopian Orthodox Rasta"? Would love to hear sometime...

I'm not really sure on what you mean by "connected" and "co-exist."

I don't think they can co-exist since one cannot be Orthodox and still worship Selassie, which is the core of Rastafarian belief. Rastas who convert though can still live by the same lifestyle though since many who do convert keep their dreads, stick to a vegan diet, etc. though they must also live by the tenants of the Church. So the only way for Rastas to unite with Orthodoxy is to reject the worship of Haile Selassie and live by his example by becoming Orthodox Christians as HIM was.

 
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One seeking to join the church must do so through baptism and chrismation preceded by some time as a catechumen. If a group of rastafarians claiming to be oriental orthodox, seek out a coptic or ethiopian orthodox bishop, i would assume the bishop would require a confession of faith and denunciation of heresies before baptising them.
 
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Peace,

I was never incorporated into Rastafari, but I have a number of friends among the Rastas. If you want to converse with more Rastas who have embraced Christianity and especially Orthodox Christianity, you can find many at this forum Fulfilled Rastafari House - Serving Jah & Rastafari

Rastafari has always been a blend of many different beliefs. The worship of H.I.M. Haile Selassie I has been most widespread but not all Rastas worship Selassie as god. In fact, Marcus Mosiah Garvey, a towering figure in Rastafari livity did not worship Selassie. In the 1990's I believe, the 12 tribes mansion ruled that one could be Rasta in their house and not worship Selassie, but Jah. Also, many Rastas have embraced Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity through the churches that Selassie planted in the West Indies.

The Orthodox Church is for all people regardless of nationality or background. Rastas are welcome too :angel:

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We had a group of Rastas convert to Orthodoxy back at my [Greek Orthodox] Church in Cape Town. They built a small chapel in the shanty town with the assistance of the Archbishop and the parish priest, who visits with them every few weeks and is overseeing the catechesis of the wider community.

It was always good to see them at Church and to spend time with them. They were lovely, respectful, pious people.

As others have said I don't think the purely religious bits of Rastafarianism can coexist with Christianity. But certainly many, many of the cultural aspects can. I guess it also varies according to each individual Rasta's beliefs and practices. Some may have to renounce a lot of things, others not that much.
 
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Arent rastafarians jamaican potheads who braid their hair in dredlocks to identify each other with? Or can the label extend to the caucasian kids who also braid their hair the same way trying to justify smoking "herb from the earth"? What cultural aspects are we talking about exactly that can be retained ?
 
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Arent rastafarians jamaican potheads who braid their hair in dredlocks to identify each other with? Or can the label extend to the caucasian kids who also braid their hair the same way trying to justify smoking "herb from the earth"? What cultural aspects are we talking about exactly that can be retained ?

I think it is highly unfair to narrow down Rastafarians as Jamaican "potheads." Rastafari is deeper than that. I think when you see most white kids in the states who walk around with Bob Marley shirts usually just do so because Bob Marley smoked marijuana and they really know nothing of his beliefs or why he smoked herb and those who do so don't know anything about Rastafari. Rastafari is based off the belief that H.I.M. Haile Selassie I was the Second Coming of Christ (however, not all Rastas believe this). The reason for the dreadlocks is to show their devotion to Jah since when growing the dreads, it is like they are taking the Nazarite vow which was talked about in the Old Testament (see Numbers 6:5). The use of marijuana by some Rastafarians (and not all of them smoke it) is spiritual and is used as an aid to prayer and meditation and they smoked it moderately and not as most American potheads do when they smoke a lot and crash on a couch to watch cartoons. The Rastafari lifestyle also advocates social justice and healthy living (Rastafarians are either vegetarian or vegan and are also strict with eating only organic foods).
 
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What cultural aspects are we talking about exactly that can be retained ?

The cultural aspects of Rastafari that I retain and respect are:

*love and concern for Africa as our ancestral homeland. This might not seem like a big deal for people with a natural connection with the land of their fathers. But for people of African or mixed descent in the West, there has often been shame associated with being Black or having ancestors that were slaves. Rastafari elders were some of the first people to teach people of African descent not to be ashamed of Africa or our physical features, but to be proud of our history and who we are.

*Identification with the poor and the sufferers. I love this about Rastafari. It is a movement of poor people and people who suffer oppression to live with dignity and "upfullness" (hope).

*Respect for His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I. Of course, I do not worship him, but I love his writings, the fact that he sent bishops from the Ethiopian Church to the caribbean to catechize the Rastas that were worshipping him and that he gave a portion of his personal land, Sheshamane, for people of African descent who desired to "repatriate."

*My dreadlocks :) My husband, my son and I all have them.

*The aesthetics. I wear red, gold and green which have a special significance for us. I love my head wraps, my tams, my long skirts. I love the greetings ("peace, Ras." "one love, empress.")

*Ital food :) Ital means vital. Ital food is fresh and unprocessed. No meat, no dairy and no salt. Natural medicines when possible. I don't always eat ital, though I should. The Rasta elders taught us to live close to the earth and in harmony with nature.

*The music! Here as with other genres, there is a mixed bag to be found in reggae. I take the good and leave the rest. It may not be your cup of tea, but I love roots-rock-reggae, the themes of which draw a lot from the Scriptures. I've linked one of my favorite songs below. Note the Scriptural references:

Psalm 118:19 - Open to me the gates of righteousness:
I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD:
Isaiah 26:2 - Open ye the gates, that the righteous
nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.

Isaiah 43:6 - I will say to the north, Give up;
and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far,
and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO3WDcEa2FQ

M.
 
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Isn't it one of their main beliefs that the black people of Jamaica are a lost tribe of Israel? I'm wondering could they be Orthodox and still hold that belief? It seems like Rastafarianism is drawn a lot more from Judaism than Christianity.
 
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Isn't it one of their main beliefs that the black people of Jamaica are a lost tribe of Israel? I'm wondering could they be Orthodox and still hold that belief? It seems like Rastafarianism is drawn a lot more from Judaism than Christianity.

There is a spiritual side and a literal side to that. Some Rastas might believe they are literally a lost tribe, but for others it is an attempt to spiritualize the struggle of Blacks in the West. Just like enslaved Black Americans called Harriet Tubman "Moses" because she guided slaves to freedom in the North.

These are lyrics from the traditional slave spirituals I was taught as a child that was sung by my ancestors. It is another example of how Africans in the West spiritualized their struggle:

When Israel was in Egypt's land: Let my people go,
Oppress'd so hard they could not stand, Let my People go.
Go down, Moses,
Way down in Egypt land,
Tell old Pharaoh,
Let my people go.

"Pharaoh" is the slavemaster, of course.

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You might be interested in an article in Issue #27 of the Road To Emmaus Journal about a Rastafarian convert to Orthodoxy
He was also interviewed on Ancient Faith Radio about his conversion to Orthodoxy. From Rastafari To Orthodoxy - The Illumined Heart - Ancient Faith Radio

The individual you're referencing----known as Michael Wilson---is one whom was referenced earlier in the Original Post...concerning extra-info dealing with the subject from an Orthodox Perspective. It may've been missed earlier when it came to the links I gave out before...as one that was listed was an interview with the man..entitled SONGS OF FREEDOM: The Rastafari Road to Orthodoxy .
 
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Let me begin by giving you the correct address, which is The Tabot ministries website of tabot . co . uk and not the fullfilled rasta's site who are really just christians who like some of the things about the emperor Haile selassie 1st.

You will find a full doctrine of the Rastafari faith and belief. Pay attention!
You will not find a geater understanding on the web.

Rastafari.

Lets hope my post is not deleted by the moderators, it is really anoying at times, I have been up and down on christian forums just to find my words removed. Lets see what happens.

Peace,

You are welcome to come to the Ancient Way subforum to ask questions about Orthodox Christianity and to have fellowship with us. But as you reason with us, know that the rules of this forum state that non-Christian religions cannot be promoted. Just letting the I know upfront so there is overstanding.

Bless up,
Monica
 
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I know ive just poped into the middle of a reasoning but plse hear me. The early founding fathers of the rastafari movement where predominently from the caribbean. Back then there was still the rules of colonial powers, slavery and segregation. Being a person of colour was a very difficult life for many just because of their heritage.

In the early movement of rastafari influences crept in and there seamed in it a liberation for black people. But as the truth has been revealed over the years and the coronation of HIM was just 79 years ago, we can see clearly now that it is not just for one people but for all. Its evedent that at this there are still groups and some paticular that emphasise the role in it of ones skin, but you will learn as they may at one time it is not the truth, but a false doctrine that had crept in near the begining.

But no one here has reasoned that Rastafari livity is for Black people only. When the I speaks about the tree, the I begins with the seed and the root. Seen.

Also, this reasoning is about Orthodox Christianity and Rastafari. Let's not get off topic.

Ras-pect,

M.
 
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Peace,

You are welcome to come to the Ancient Way subforum to ask questions about Orthodox Christianity and to have fellowship with us. But as you reason with us, know that the rules of this forum state that non-Christian religions cannot be promoted. Just letting the I know upfront so there is overstanding.

Bless up,
Monica

Here is the thing, you say that the promotion of non-Chriatian religions cannot be promoted.

But Rastafari is not anti Christ, but in fact promotes Christ and lifts Him up.

There are so many different denominations how do you say, or are you saying that the Rastafari faith is not Christ!

And then if you say it is not Christ why are you talking about it.

And if I talk about it, why will you not hear, but rather cut me off as perusauall.

But no worries this post as usuall wont be arround for long, because most people are tired of hearing.
 
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Isn't it one of their main beliefs that the black people of Jamaica are a lost tribe of Israel? I'm wondering could they be Orthodox and still hold that belief? It seems like Rastafarianism is drawn a lot more from Judaism than Christianity.

Concerning what it is that you noted,

Its amazing to consider how many are aware of what occurred with the Slave Trade/shipping others off from Africa to the Americas and the Carribbean Islands...yet not many are aware of the fact that many of those same Africans were already Jews. For when it comes to Diasporas, the African Diaspora was directly connected with the Jewish Diaspora....as the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D (as well as other times the Jewish nation was conquered) caused many of the Jews to be scattered all over---with Africa being one of the main places. Many Jews did not simply venture into Africa out of persecution, of course---as many were there LONG-before....but the history of African Jews is something to consider

Even more interesting is the reality of how intimately aspects of Rasta Lifestyles/views are connected with Messianic Judaism---and it has been wild to discover the intriacies of them more so over time. Many of those who are Jews of Color have noted how much it seemed that in being involved with Judaism, the Afro-Centric side of things became more clear....seeing how many in Jewish culture were Black---even though its not acknowleged by many in our own times. Other notable musicians within the Jewish world have noted the same---such as folks like Matisyahu, if anyone has ever heard of his music.


For more info, one can consider going online and looking up articles under the following names:



One of my very close friends is a Rabbi ...who was raised in a Messianic Jewish family and is a former Eastern Orthodox priest and monk--and thus, very big on studying/understanding the Church Fathers, as well Church History. [/I]And when it came to discussing the issue of Black Jews as well as Rastas, it was cool to see just how open he was on the matter....and, for that matter, enthusiasticly supportative of others who seek to make clear how much of a Black Side/aspect of things has been lost within the Jewish world. It's highly intriguing when one does the research how often those who're either Jewish or Messianic Jewish are portrayed as "caucasian" the majority of the time in many churches....and those who're Black are considered "Black Jews" rather than simply Messianic Jewish since anyone honestly researching will see that the stereotype of Jews predominately being "caucasian" in the Original Culture is off. .



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And some of it is VERY heavy to consider-----as even in Israel, among Jewish people, there's still the age old issue of RACIAL DIVIDE--as those of the Falasha (Ethopian Jews who became Christians) and other "Black Jews" are often not being accepted. I made a thread on the issue elsewhere--as seen in the thread entitled Messianc Jew Battles vs The Exile of Black Jews: Why No Discussion on Ethopian Jews?


To see insightful video I was able to come across on the issue of Ethopian Jews/Black Jews:

When I LOOk at the demographics of congregations claiming to be Messianic Jewish, it often seems as if there are very few that discuss the issue of what's happening to Beta Israel....or the FALASHA Mura. Of course, I'm aware of others in Israel..but again, I don't see the issue broadcast often. Thankfully, coverage is being done on the issue elsewhere/others are becoming aware of the dual reality that the "persecuted Israelies/Jewish people" are involved in when it comes to proclaiming to the world how there's is a homeland for "Jews"/they are attacked on all sides and mistreated....and yet, behind the lines, much of the same is done to the very people with legitimate claims of Jewish blood. To me, it can often seem like a bit inconsistent to say that many Messianic Jewish fellowships are concerned for the welfare of Jews everywhere.....and yet, when it comes to Beta Israel/the Falasha...as well as those of the Falasha Mura, who converted to Christianity, I must wonder where they're at in the mix.


And for a personal perspective on the matter when it comes to the concept of Black Jews, it was odd at times being a Black Hispanic learning about/loving Jewish Culture---and yet, still battling with the times I'd prefer that I'd be a bloodline Israelite....and feeling that blacks are not really connected to the Jewish faith as much as those who're European. Going back/studying, however, I was shocked to witness how much of the Early Church Fathers were black (Augustine of Hippo, in example). I was shocked when seeing some of the pictures of him---as I always assumed he was white..but then again, when considering the reality/pictures, its not surprising:

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And outside of him, various others in Jewish Culture have black aspects within them that I never realized---from Simon of Cyrene (Luke 23:25-27 ) to Solomon and a host of others......many of the things that are never discussed. There's actually a ministry addressing that very issue, called Be’chol Lashon .meaning"In Every Tongue"--which is a research and community- building initiative created by the Institute for Jewish & Community Research to support a Jewish people that is more racially, ethnically, and culturally inclusive, both in the United States and around the world.
 
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Here is the thing, you say that the promotion of non-Chriatian religions cannot be promoted.

But Rastafari is not anti Christ, but in fact promotes Christ and lifts Him up.

There are so many different denominations how do you say, or are you saying that the Rastafari faith is not Christ!

And then if you say it is not Christ why are you talking about it.

And if I talk about it, why will you not hear, but rather cut me off as perusauall. Rastafari is indeed rooted in the Orthodox Christian faith and doctrine. The Empereor Haile Selassie 1st was the head of the Church, and defender of the faith. He was baptised according to Orthodox Christian tradition, from which he as a child was called Tafari, and was baptised at 40 days old. The baptismol name he recieved from the church the body of Christ was Haile Selassie, this name means "Power of the Holy Trinity" the power of the Holy Trinity refers to, the power of God the Father, The power of God the Son (Jesus) The power of God the Holy Spirit. And they are the one God. THE ALMIGHTY.

Is This not Christian Doctrine, this is what has been taught in the Orthodox Christian Church and what Rastafari believe.

So when Rastafari say Haile Selassie is God they are talking about HIM the Word, the word of God is God Haile Selassie, not the mortal man who tafari makonnen who on the day of his coronation was crowned with the name and titles Haile Selassie.

So they Rastafari worship God in spirit and truth, but God was revealed in man.

But no worries this post as usuall wont be arround for long, because most people are tired of hearing.

Edit: upon re-reading your post, I overstand more of what you are saying. But there are still problems with it mainly because there are Rastas who associate the man, H.I.M. Selassie I, with divinity and believe he was the second coming of Christ. That is not true. Also, many Rastas would not identify with this reasoning, such as the Bobo Shanti mansion that has a totally different concept of the Trinity.

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