I was talking to a traditional Catholic and they recognize the errors of Vatican 2. Byzantine / Eastern Catholics also see the error of Rome such as the filoque. Most of it seems to be over the simplifification of the liturgy by Rome. While l I do NOT harbor any animosity towards Catholics I just seems like Byzantine Catholics and traditional Catholics would be better off converting with Orthodox instead of continuing the facade of being in communion with the Roman Church which over time has seriously degraded. George Joseph and Carl have really sacrificed the faith to modernity(colloqually known as wokeness) in a futile attempt to seem relevant. Perhaps we could use a form of ecumenicalism as a form to convert them to our side. Perhaps if needed we could convert entire parishes to Orthodoxy. I encourage Christians of all denominations to return to traditionalism.IF THIS BREAKS ANY GUIDELINES I APOLOGIZE
Actually, many Byzantine Catholic parishes were converted to Orthodoxy under St. Alexis Toth, joining the Russian Orthodox Church, and winding up distributed between the OCA, ROCOR, and presumably one or two of the small number of parishes that remained under the MP directly. Later, in the 1920s, the Greek Orthodox Church set up the American Carpatho-Rusyn Orthodox diocese which converted still more.
One thing which helped drive these conversions was the stupid decision of the Latin Rite bishops in North America to prohibit married Eastern Catholic priests from continuing to serve unless they separated from their wives, which was met with dismay by many Byzantine Catholics.
One also suspects that some people were members of the Eastern Catholic churches owing to political circumstances: consider how in Prussia, the Lutheran and Calvinist churches had been forcibly united by the Calvinist Hohenzollern monarchy, and initially the Prussian immigrants to the US continued to worship together, but quickly broke apart into separate Lutheran and Calvinist denominations, the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, which managed to narrowly avoid the extreme left wing theology of the LCA and ALC, which then merged into ELCA (see the Seminex controversy; indeed the LCMS was even partnered with the LCA and ALC on the development of the Lutheran Book of Worship, in close coordination with the Episcopal Church and their 1979 Book of Common Prayer), and has since become one of the most traditional and conservative of the larger liturgical Protestant churches in the US, while on the other hand, the Calvinists formed the Evangelical Synod in North America, which would merge with the colonial-era Reformed Church in the United States, which was predominantly German, unlike the predominantly Dutch Reformed Church in America, which still exists, and this combined entity, the Evangelical and Reformed Church, merged with the larger number of Congregationalist churches (whose conferendce had already been vacated by the conservative Congregationalist parishes like Park Street Church in Boston), to form the United Church of Christ, whose extreme liberalism I have been rather too close to for my own personal comfort.
While religious freedom is much more widespread, it seems that we can attract converts from Eastern Catholic churches in predominantly Muslim areas, specifically the Melkite Patriarchate of Antioch, since due to conditions in Syria and elsewhere in the Middle East, there are places where for some people who might otherwise be Orthodox, the only option is the local Melkite parish.
But we are most likely to win converts over due to the disastrous decisions recently made by Latin Rite bishops of the very highest rank, for example, Traditiones Custodes, which if enforced with any more severity by the Congregation for Divine Worship, will likely encourage those Catholics who love the traditional liturgy to join either Western Rite Orthodox churches or Continuing Anglican Churches, some of whom use the Anglican Missal, which is an English translation of the Roman missal, just as the Antiochian Western Rite Vicarate has, in its excellent St. Andrew’s Prayer Book, in addition to an Anglican-based Divine Liturgy of St. Tikhon, a Roman Rite based Divine Liturgy of St. Gregory.
I also believe that the Orthodox Church should try to pick up estranged traditionalist parishes from the Episcopal church and from ACNA, for there are conservative parishes therein which are not happy about the liberal stances the ECUSA takes on a great many issues, and which furthermore in many cases are at best ambivalent towards the filioque. It is worth noting that within global Anglicanism there has been, for over a decade now, a movement called “Drop the Filioque!” As the name implies, this seeks to correct the Nicene Creed in their prayerbooks for the same reasons that the Orthodox reject it. And we can go a step further, since the Orthodox also have in our Apostolic deposit of faith the original version of the canticle “Quincunque Vult”, also known as the “Athanasian Creed”, although I doubt it was originally used as a creed due to the canons of the Council of Ephesus, but was rather used as a dogmatic canticle along the lines of Te Deum Laudamus, and indeed among Anglicans it was commonly used as a canticle as recently as fifty or sixty years ago, before its disuse spread from the Episcopal Church into other provinces. The version we have lacks the implied filioque, and can be found in the Jordanville Psalter (specifically, in the edition known as A Psalter for Prayer, which I absolutely love; I have this Psalter in eBook format).
Also, the opportunity is not just at converting Western Rite Catholics, but also, as you suggested, Eastern Rite Catholics, for a great many of them, while not directly affected by Traditiones Custodes, are extremely upset about Fiducia Supplicans. The latter is contrary to the Orthodox Faith, and most Byzantine Rite Catholics I know of regard themselves as Orthodox in communion with Rome, and Increasingly see it as part of their vocation to try to inject Orthodox spirituality into the Roman Catholic communion.
By the way, the only churches whose liturgy actually benefitted from Vatican II were the Eastern Rite Catholics, in that Vatican II promoted the de-Latinization of their liturgies.
